Talk:Dolphin drive hunting

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Contents 1 Criticism section quote 2 Whale species 3 GA review 4 GA passed 5 Freemasonry ritual 6 Reason for deleting the petition

[edit] Criticism section quote

Many are also sceptical about the intelligence of dolphins, saying that they can just be taught tricks like dogs. -- This statement is clearly wrong, based on other information about Dolphins in Wikipedia, the scientific articles quoted in Dolphin Intelligence and from other sources. The fishermen may still repeat it, but it should not be included in an encyclopedic article not even as quotation *unless appropriate comment is provided*. User:Hhanke

Added a note BabyNuke 21:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whale species

I'd appreciate it if someone could confirm that the animals in the second photo are indeed Northern Bottlenose whales. I'm not 100% sure myself. The filename says pilot whale, but I believe that is incorrect as they have a more blunt "nose". BabyNuke 22:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA review

It's a nice article. However, there is one copyediting that should be done, before I say that this is a good article. This is actually related with criterion 1 of WP:WIAGA about well-written article.

In the references section, there are very long quotes written there. It's very hard to understand the article when a reader has to jump back and forth with footnotes to read the quotes. Furthermore, the text in the references section is small, making it even harder to read. By practice, when you want to take information from a source, there are 2 ways:

1. Simply grab the idea/meaning/information from the source, write it with your own prose and make a credit by using a citation, without the original quote. By citation, it means that you put only the article/journal/web/news/etc. citation form, complete with its author, title, etc. You may want to read WP:CITE on how to make a citation and further to use WP:CITET for using cite template. Note that cite template is not a requirement.
2. Put a direct quotation and don't forget to put also its citation at the end. It similar with what has been done here. However, do not put it in the References section, but directly embedded in the main text. You can use many templates for quotation. For example, Template:quotation, Template:cquote, etc.

You may put text in the footnotes for explaining something that is not directly attached to the subject, to avoid reader being distracted. Here's what footnotes are, quoted directly from WP:CITE:

What footnotes are normally used for

• Some publications use footnotes for both the full citation of a source, and for tangential comments or information of interest to the reader.
• Some publications use Harvard style notation for sources, and use footnotes exclusively for tangential comments or information of interest. In this case, in other words, footnotes are notes with relevant text that would distract from the main point if embedded in the main text, yet are helpful in explaining a point in greater detail. Such footnotes can be especially helpful for later fact-checkers, to ensure that the article text is well-supported. Thus, using footnotes to provide useful clarifying information outside the main point is fine where this is needed.

So I am going to put this article On Hold for GA. You can fix this matter in the meantime. I think 7 days of on hold period is more than enough. I think it is just moving footnotes back to the main article. — Indon (reply) — 15:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and one more thing. There is one image with copyright but no fair use rationale and one image with obsolete tag. Please fix license tags for these images also. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 15:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll see what the best solution will be and will probably fix it this weekend. BabyNuke 19:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

I have seen improvements based on my review in the previous thread. Hence, GA is passed. I enjoy reading this article. It's compact, well-referenced, good sources, compelling prose and stays focus on the topic. Congratulations to the editors of this article for your hard work. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 08:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! BabyNuke 10:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Freemasonry ritual

The sentence ending, "the hunting is done by a select group of privileged fishermen, membership being decided by a sort of masonic ritual." is rather unsubstantiated. Whet sort of masonic ritual? Why is it sort or a ritual. Tell us more or tell us less; this is an encyclopedia. Williamborg (Bill) 04:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Then less, I have no further information on the matter. BabyNuke 09:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reason for deleting the petition

There is nothing against posting a link to a more critical article or website providing that it adds to the article, however, the petition website does not add anything to the article but encouraging readers to speak out against it. Further, the statement that 20.000 dolphins are killed in drive hunts anually is absolutely incorrect. About 16.000 small whales are killed by Japan anually in various ways, the vast majority of them (some 14.000) being porpoises killed in harpoon hunts. The half a page worth of text there is reads like a piece of propaganda. Don't get me wrong, I oppose the practice myself, but I'll let the article speak for itself instead of linking to questionable petitions that in the end will bias the article. Putting that link there is like saying "now that you've read the article, you may want to sign this petition". BabyNuke 15:10, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

• Hmm. Well, I disagree with your last sentence, but if it has false information then it shouldn't be on there. Thanks for pointing that out. (and sorry for taking forever to reply)--TheAlphaWolf 01:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)