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[edit] Famous Dogfights
I think we should include descriptions, or at least mention, the more famous aerial encounters, i.e. Duke Cunningham vs. Colonel Tomb as well as dogfights from other periods. This is info that is sorely lacking on the internet...--Luckybeargod 23:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WRONG!
The first dogfight was during the Mexican Revolutiuon between two pilots firing at eachother with their handguns. Make a note of it!
-G
This article is just plain wrong on many counts. first of all the airspeed is king in any non-turning fight. The better your airspeed, the more enery you can pass on to any missliles you're carrying, this especially true for BVR fights. For the turn fights it's all about turn radius and turn rate. While it's true that maximum turn rate can be attained by pulling on the stick as far as you can, this maximum turnrate will only last very a shot while. Pilots are taught about corner velocity, which is the maximum rate of turn which a plane can maintain for prolonged periods. Ususally corner velocity is not even near the stall speed. more powerfull engines will enable better performance indeed. Aslo it is very much biased towards US made and/or designed weapons and weaponsplatforms. THe development of ACM didn't start with the thatch weave and didn't end with it either. I suggest links to articles concerning BFM and ACM, and that those articles be expanded to be more comprehensive. I aslo think that the $280M pricetag stated for the F/A-22 is irrelevant to this article. - ocf81
"With modern air-to-air missiles greatly extending the general engagement range of jet fighters, the dog fight has largely gone out of existence."
This is a belief, but one not necessarily borne out by reality. Many people thought that dog fighting was obsolete before the Vietnam War, in which there were many dog fights. There continue to be dog fights in present-day air combat. I don't think this notion that dog fighting is going the way of the dodo should be presented as fact. Aside from the reality that dog fighting continues to happen, if it were really going obsolete, why would military colleges still teach the techniques? Now, it's true that some people *believe* the dog fight is on the way out, but that doesn't mean they are right. There were many people who believed that World War I (or II) was the "war to end all wars." -Nelson
- Shouldn't this page be at Dogfight? It seems to be the more common use of the term... if there's no objections, I'll move it soonish. ... although as soon as I write that I see it's used. Hmm hmm. But most inbound links there are aviation-related... Shimgray 13:51, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
- What horrible english skills you people have.
- Disagree - leave the articles the way they are, they have been well established. SirIsaacBrock 17:29, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- what "articles the way they are" are you referring to?--Buckboard 22:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Never heard the contention that dogfighting is about who can fly the *slowest*; if true, this would be a development only since the jet age. With that in mind, this article needs some historical perspective to not be a stub - a history of the dogfight would be more relevant than dogfighting in space, imho. - RSL, 28 March 2006.
- It is also not true. In fact dogfights is often about not losing your speed. Ref: ISBN 0870210599. SlowSam 22:40, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Only in a scissors should stall speed come into play, which is basically a contest of who can make who overshoot. Even then, the second somebody is behind the other, the hammer drops again and it becomes once more a contest of who can get the most energy and use it. 72.9.6.64 23:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Talk about this intelligently. It is not about "speed". It is about energy and trade-offs (such as altitude-for-energy) in manuevering to gain an advantage. A dogfight is won not just by shooting the other guy down, but making him disengage. --Buckboard 22:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stub
What more is needed to get the stub removed? I find the article ok now, but want some other opinions before removing the stub-tag.
[edit] Requested move
- Dog fight → Dogfight — since "dogfight" is the more common term — Talk:Dog fight — Yath 05:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Survey
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- Support; dogfight as it is now can be moved to dogfight (film), this article be moved there instead. dewet|™ 07:45, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support: A search on Google reveals more hits for "dogfight" than for "dog fight", and the term "dog fight" probably has more use in other meanings of the word. Jonas Viper 22:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support as above. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 23:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- Done. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 07:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] F-22 Price?
That price figure for the F-22 is wrong first of all and unnecessary to the topic. Therefore I'm taking it down.
[edit] Battle of Britain
This article seems to be under the misapprehension that WW2 started with the bombing of Pearl Harbor. The Spitfire was not developed later in the war, but before the war. The Battle of Britain was the first major aerial battle between 2 fairly evenly matched sides, yet it isn't even mentioned.
