Talk:Document Type Declaration
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[edit] Doctype semantics
Anonymous edits from 217.140.228.85 removed these claims (which were mine), saying they were misunderstandings:
- The DOCTYPE declares the document as being of 'type' "html" (or whatever the root element is declared to be).
- This was removed altogether, and made to say that the DOCTYPE just includes a DTD by reference. I concede that the original phrasing wasn't the way I really intended to express things, but I did mean to say more than just that there's a reference to a DTD. I meant to say that the DOCTYPE declares the document as being of a particular 'type' as defined by two pieces of information: a particular DTD, and a clarification of which element type declared in the DTD must be used as the root element, since DTDs are sometimes ambiguous in this regard. Would you disagree with that?
- I would not disagree with the two pieces of information but I do disagree with them being characterized as the "type" of the document. People tend to understand as the "type" of the document having values like HTML, DocBook, TEI, etc. -- The maker of the anon edits
- This was removed altogether, and made to say that the DOCTYPE just includes a DTD by reference. I concede that the original phrasing wasn't the way I really intended to express things, but I did mean to say more than just that there's a reference to a DTD. I meant to say that the DOCTYPE declares the document as being of a particular 'type' as defined by two pieces of information: a particular DTD, and a clarification of which element type declared in the DTD must be used as the root element, since DTDs are sometimes ambiguous in this regard. Would you disagree with that?
- The root element, if given in the DOCTYPE, must match the document's actual root element.
- This got changed to just say that the root element is declared to be "html" (in the example). With the original phrasing, I wanted to imply that the root element did not necessarily need to be given (in XML, at least, it is optional, although I believe it was an oversight in the grammar) and also that there is a validation requirement associated with it: in XML, at least, if the root element is named in the DOCTYPE, then the name of the document's actual root element must match. Is this irrelevant?
- The SYSTEM identifier is used when the DTD cannot be obtained via the PUBLIC identifier.
- This was changed to say that a processor may use either ID, as it chooses, to know what DTD to use. I think you're correct; I had assumed, based on a particular catalog implementation, that public IDs were preferred when both were available.
— mjb 20:39, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
