User talk:Diyako/Archive4

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Contents 1 User Zmmz 2 Your comments 3 Advertising 4 Greater Iran 5 Category:Kurdistan 6 Turkish Kurdistan 7 Hey 8 Kurds in Turkey 9 Personal attacks 10 Persian people 11 Kurd stub 12 Diyako 13 RfC 14 Biji Newroz, hewal! 15 Vandalism 16 Edit summary 17 Norouz 18 Warning 19 Farsis 20 Farsi 21 Rephrase 22 Warning you Have Fallacious and/or Speculative statements impregnated into articles 23 Happy New Year 24 Norouz 25 Newroz 26 Kash 27 Kurds 28 Demeaning attitude 29 Kirkuk

[edit] User Zmmz

I certainly don't have the language background to deal with your dispute with Zmmz, nor do I feel it's appropriate to do anything unilaterally. Check out our dispute resolution options and see if there might be a way to get a broader base of input into your conflict. (ESkog)^(Talk) 04:42, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the dispute this and three others have is about the use of the Aryan, and Indo-Iranian used in many articles like the Persian people and alike. You could actually look up its definition in any dictionary, and encyclopedia, and I researched it personally too. It definitely goes to the Persians in this case, because the words are used in literature and their culture. But, it seems there is no end to the dispute, I really don`t think it`s of any use anyway. Some users are playing tune-def. Zmmz 05:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

By the way, Diyako do not erase warning messages, even on your own talkpage. That`s not good.Zmmz 05:22, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your comments

In fact I am discussing with a racist Qashqai turk pasdar terrorist pro ahmadinejad who even do not recognize UN emblem and think it is PDK's Diyako Talk + 03:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

When I saw this comment on here I was disgusted to find out how un-civil you really are --Kash 11:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advertising

Hi, I notice you've been advertising the Kurdistan CFD. Please don't do it in such an obvious way - it looks like you're seeking votes (which is what it is). Try not asking people to vote, just to have a look at the page in question and give their opinions. Judging by the users receiving your notes, that's what they would have voted for anyway. --Latinus 17:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I second this, please stop. --Kash 18:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greater Iran

I noticed that you nominated this article for AfD. However, you did not list it on AfD, and it is currently orphaned. Is there a reason why? If you have a dispute about the article content/editors, perhaps you should see WP:DR.--Shanel 21:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Kurdistan

I voted strong keep. Notice that Category:Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has a category. Carlossuarez46 23:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your voting.Diyako Talk + 08:26, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish Kurdistan

Good you inserted the CIA source, it makes it all more authorative - and the former figures seemed well low! Bertilvidet 21:40, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

I thought you might be interested in this. Aucaman^Talk 23:48, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Aw you guys are cute! :) --Kash 00:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I didn't even look at the page..but now I see..aww I think some bits of both :) --Kash 00:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kurds in Turkey

Thanks for compromising, I think this could be the start of a much better relationship between us on wikipedia. Ba sepas. --Kash 23:37, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks

Please refrain from using labels such as "Farsi" or "Pan-Iranian" when referring to other users, as they may be construed as insults. Wikipedia has a very strict policy of no personal attacks, and users may be blocked if they do not keep that in mind. So please remember to remain civil while debating in the future. --InShaneee 00:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you are right and since a while i've not used them, but really the word "Farsi" is not a bad word, this is the native and common name for modern Persians which even is used in English. I provided many references in the talk page of article Persian people.

Diyako Talk + 08:01, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Persian people

Hey could you keep a watch on this article and make sure the dispute tag remain in the section? Thanks. Aucaman^Talk 23:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kurd stub

Have you seen?

• Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion#.7B.7BKurd-politician-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Cat:Kurdish_politician_stubs

--Mais oui! 05:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diyako

The term isn't removed! We still have two full sentences dealing with usage. Your source redirects Arabian Gulf to Persian Gulf and subsequently makes note of Arab usage. That's exactly how it stood on our own page with my last edit. Marskell 16:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfC

Have you seen this? You can sign it if you agree with the statement. Aucaman^Talk 18:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

No, I had not seen it before. I signed it. Thank you for the message.Diyako Talk + 18:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biji Newroz, hewal!

Very good, needed and fast work you did on the Newroz article. Please keep up the good work. Tomorrow I'll contribute some photos from the celebration in Stenbol. Ha det så bra, hälsninger Bertilvidet 17:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Please discuss in the talk page of Newroz before removing the dispute tag. Thanks --Kash 15:36, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summary

It is highly recommended that one fill in the edit summary field, as it makes it easier for you and your fellow contributors to understand what has changed, and is helpful when going through the history of the page.

Please see Help:Edit summary --Kash 15:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norouz

Exactly, it shouldn't all be about the Persians. That's why I changed the introduction at Norouz to make it acceptable to all groups, including the Kurds. I got it from here. Let me know what you think. --Khoikhoi 21:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Would you like to do the merge? I feel that if I do it I'll mess it up. What do you think of the new intro? --Khoikhoi 21:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't think the Iranian editors will agree with you on this. I changed the intro to include the Kurds, so what makes the Kurdish version so different that it needs its own article? The Russian version of Christmas doesn't have it's own article. --Khoikhoi 21:25, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

The russion version of christmas has not its own article has nothing to with the Kurdish Newroz article. Kurdish Newroz is different than Farsi Norouz and deserves its own article. also farsi users have their own pov who may claim Adam and Eve were farsi or as they say Iranian. If you still think the POV of some farsis is more important for you then you can nominate the Kurdish Newroz for deletion. Sure there are more neutral wikipedians than you farsis.Diyako Talk + 21:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

But you haven't explained to me what makes the Kurdish version so different. Please do. And why do you keep calling them Farsis? Are you aware that this term is deprecated because it has Arab origins? It seems that you're doing it to provoke them. Have you seen the website No more "FARSI" !!! ? --Khoikhoi 21:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I looked at the article and I couldn't find it. Secondly, in the English language we use "Persians" to refer to them, not "Farsis". And what do you mean you know me? --Khoikhoi 21:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

There was a warning issued about the use of "Farsi" and I think you are trying to be disrespectual and provactive with the term Farsi and Farsi Noruz. COnsider this a warning. Secondly there is no such thing as Farsi Noruz. There is only one Noruz which is celebrated by all Iranian people and people of Iranian culture. You stated Nevruz was similar to Noruz. NO IT IS NORUZ, just in another language. 69.196.139.250 21:44, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm neither Turkmen nor Kazak, I do not knwo much on the turkic nevruz but that turkish cultural source states shows how they are different. their only similarity is that they are on beging of spring.

Also the word Farsi is more accurate than Persian. Farsi is the name of modern persians i provided a dzen of sources in the talk page of Persian people.Diyako Talk + 22:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC).Diyako Talk + 21:49, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Who am I then? Send me an email. --Khoikhoi 21:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Nevruz is Noruz just a different langauge. And all the states you cliamed have registered to have it recognized along with Iran and Iraq (representing Kurdistan) as one clebration under the name Nowruz to UNESCO. There is no need for this article. Becuase the subject people's official governments recognize it as being the one and same as Nowruz, which it is in relaity, and have made join motions with Iran on the issue.

Here are your verifications.

• http://www.payvand.com/news/05/apr/1107.html

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

After many, many previous warnings, I can only say you have crossed a line. Spreading plain lies which no sane person on earth would even remotely consider as acceptable, is vandalism. Claiming that Norouz is Kurdish is a lie. It is a bigger lie even than if you would claim that George Bush is chinese, or that Gallileo was Indian! Your behavior is vandalism, and you will be blocked if you don't change it.Shervink 23:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)shervink

If somebody has different points on a certain issue it is not vandalism, I suggest you read again the wikipedia policy. Diyako Talk + 23:44, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

It is not a matter of point of view, it is a fact that you are intentionally spreading statements which you obviously know are not true. You furthermore don't show any respect for others' comments, nor do you in any way contribute positively to any discussion. Shervink 16:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)shervink

[edit] Warning

Diyako, please know you cannot disrupt so many articles in order to inject some unsubstantiated notions to these articles. At some point some actions can be called vandalism, e.g., erasing sections that come with scholary sources like that of Western scholars. Just be warned please that you need to be factual and work with others. Zmmz 01:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Farsis

First off, if you think they're using sockpuppets add a report to WP:RFCU. Secondly, it doesn't matter that you think they're supposed to be called Farsis, your're doing it to provoke them. Read WP:NPA. InShaneee warned you about it and you didn't follow up to it, very simple. --Khoikhoi 01:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Inshaneee warned me because he thought it is a bad word but I explained for him that it is the REAL name for Persian/Farsi people. I've used and heard in whole of my life Farsi nor Persian. and you should learn to use it in the Persian people article. Diyako Talk + 01:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Instead I suggest you read Wikipedia:NPOV. Diyako Talk + 01:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

If you informed him that then you told him wrong. First off, I don't mean to be rude, but you aren't even Persian. The Persian editors have explained that they don't like it.

You never answered my question, why would it be banned by the Academy of Persian language? --Khoikhoi 01:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Farsi

I would highly recommend you stop using this term to describe other editors. While I do understand that it's a neutral term (and thus may be perfectly fine in the context of, say, an article), in some contexts it can still be taken as an insult. Look at it this way: Imagine I was in a dispute with another user, and they said to me, "That's exactly the kind of attitude I'd expect from an American." Now, it's true, I am an American, but in this sense, it's being said as an insult, trying to 'pidgeonhole' me into a sterotype. What I'm saying is that while you're probably not trying to insult them, it's pretty easy for it to be taken as an insult, so in general, it's probably safest to just not label other editors, even if it is a fairly accurate label. --InShaneee 01:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Of course these insults are innapropriate, but don't get the idea that they give you the right to return the favor in kind. When you are called these things, simply report the incident to myself or another editor ASAP, and we will look into the matter and deal with any editors acting out of line. --InShaneee 01:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rephrase

Respected user

First and foremost Newroz píroz be!( newrozet pirozbad...now that wasnt very different) I understand your concern about trying to highlight what extra political significance newroz may have had for our kurdish brothers in turkey and syria and I am sure you do not believe that the two festivals are different its true the coming of spring may have had an important place in many ancient cultures but the philosophy of the merge is to embrace one's kurdish brother rather than say your christmass tree is yellow compared to my towering and tall one

Please your article on newroz is quite significant in that it actually proves that kurds are part of the Iranian family since the ban takes place in turkey and syria while the smoke over bukan is visible in all its glory and the further from the capital of the islamic republic the more well preserved are the traditions.

But in order to respect the unity of it all rephrase your newroz as newroz and the recent kurdish history or newroz and politics wherein you could with the help of other editors emphasise how the survival of this festival amid attacks of cultural wipeout by khomeinism among other anti culture movements has become a symbol of an ancient unified heritage

The essence of kurdishness is not in contradiction to the concept of greater Iran which is your home too no matter what tyrant may be in charge of these countries the suffering is for all even in the islamic republic they never thought supremacy of any of the tribes even though azeris seem to be on top (seem ??) as a genetic research may show that the bazaar are persian jews (asgaroladi & motalefe) or semitic (being seyyeds in green caps)...which would fit very well with your and aucaman kurd-jewish brotherhood argument (genetic link)--Loosekarma 02:49, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warning you Have Fallacious and/or Speculative statements impregnated into articles

What you have once again inserted into the Kurdistan article about the Kurdish flag, which originates from Mahab, Iran, is untrue or unfounded. You have stated that the Kurdish flag is criminal to fly in Iran. None of your sources say or verify your claim as true. This is grossly and transparently illicit on your part and is a defaming statement. If you wish to insert such comments you need credible verification. You have provided none and have even provided phoney sources that clearly make you in breach of the Wikipedian scheme of editing and the whole concept of responsible editing. You are perpetrating and committing yourself to using false or non-existant citations or sources, which is destructive and a form of sabotage. This is an action done in what seems to be bad faith on your part.

You have additionally used demeaning terminology to describe various other editors after you were clearly without any grounds for misunderstanding told to stop civilly. It can conspicuously be connoted that you wish to undermine a whole background of editors through such antagonism. Moreover, you have vandalised many Iranian related cites and have as a result been labelled as a saboteur, anti-Iranian, and a Zionist by various editors and members.

Lastly you cannot just change or create articles after being told to stop when you have no verification. POV is not grounds for article changes. Wikepedia is not a political forum it is an encyclopaedia. I have personally judged your behaviour as harmful to intellectualism and the establishment that is Wikipedia. I will now warn you once to please stop this malevolent behaviour and engage in dialogue. I encourage you to voice reasonable change in articles and to stop disruptive agitation within Middle Eastern articles. Additionally discuss changes and read warnings in the talk pages directed towards you.

We can all work together to make Wikipedia more informative and that much more of a better place to exchange knowledge and have cultural exchange.

Manik666 07:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year

Har Roozetan Norouz, Norouzetan Pirooz هر روزتا ن نوروز , نوروزتان پيروز .Amir85 13:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norouz

Diyako, sooner or later you will have to accept and realize that Norouz is not limited to Kurds, just as Christmas is not limited to French, and French language is not limited to the Parisians. You wouldn't define Christmas as a French tradition either! I have no intention of censoring anything, and the specifics of the celebration among Kurds should - in fact, must - be discussed in the actual Norouz article. But your insistence on a separate article is unacceptable because it would be a fabrication of falsehoods to talk about Newruz as different from Norouz! Shervink 16:37, 20 March 2006 (UTC)shervink

Shervink, I was surprised that I had to search here for finding your arguments. Following your argument, why dont you go and destruct the pages: Christmas customs in Poland, Christmas customs in Romania, Christmas customs in the Philippines. That was sarcasm, please leave the christmas articles alone. Bertilvidet 16:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Newroz

Thank you for the message. My suggestion number 2 was only for the sake of reaching a compromise. I am convinced that the term Newros is used for the Kurdish celebration. But, the history and tradition is more or less the same. If you want people to take your arguments serious I urge you abstain from attacking people on their nationality. Even if it was in a moment of frustration, I really disliked your comments on Iranian people! Bertilvidet 22:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Dear Diyako. I am aware that being a Kurd is not easy anywhere, and there's something about the saying "Kurds have no friends but the mountains". These are political problems, please dont blame the Iranian, Arab or Turkish governments. My favorite slogan from the Kurds in Turkey is "Yaşasın Halkların Kardeşliği!" - Long live the fraternity of the peoples Bertilvidet 22:33, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Sen nerelisin? Bir Arap ülkeden geldigini sandim! Buradaki Iranlilerin dusunmesini bilemezsin, ve onlarin arasinda buyuk farklar da olsun. Hepsi sizi yok etmek istemez. Och kom i håg att folk ändrer deres syn på världen, om du är positiv jämt mot dom er chansen för at de vil vara positiva mot deg mycket större! Sew bas! Bertilvidet 23:03, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Tag det lugnt kompis, jag är inte arg ;-) But I must say, that I think you should be more prudent in your wording and how you act towards editors you are in discord with. I was disappointed to see that you nominated the Norouz for deletion, which there obviously are no substantial arguments for. Please try to act with dignity even if you find people not are dignified towards you. – Anyway, of course we are going to work more together here on Wiki – obviously is a serious need for working on lots of Kurdish-related stuff, and I will staunchly defend the right to have articles about Kurdishness, Kurdistan etc. I don't have knowledge about the history of Newroz, so I don't participate in that debate. What do you think about the proposal of Jeff3000 – Talk:Norouz#Possible_version_for_Norouz? Think you should weigh in! Bertilvidet 13:25, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kash

If this user ever makes any incivil or personal attacks against you, report him directly to User:InShaneee. He's familiar with his case. Aucaman^Talk 15:07, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kurds

Merhaba Biraje men

The Kurdish People is a Irania People! The Kurdish language is a Irania language! Know they it?. Muhamed

Cawani Muhamed basi! Niha piraniya zanayan kurdan wek irani nabinin, di deme zu de ermeniyan ji weki Irani dehatin hejmar, le niha ew cuda ne, Kurdan ji wesa ne, niha gelek ji zanayan dibejin ku kurdan cend hizar sal beri iraniyan li rojhilata navine de jiyane u geleke kevnar in ku cavkaniya wan ne diyar u belli ye [1]. Diyako Talk + 19:58, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Demeaning attitude

Do not make comments like this to other users. No matter how frustrated you are with another user, or what you think of their contributions, you cannot use such blatantly condescending language towords them. As I'm sure I don't need to tell you, continuing this way will result in a temporary block of editing privilages. Please, try to remain civil and respectful in these discussions. --InShaneee 21:44, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kirkuk

See Pleas to this Artikle Kirkuk --Muhamed 23:34, 21 March 2006 (UTC)