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[edit] Re: Vijaynagara Empire

Dinesh, I'm afraid I did not understand what exactly the problem is. Which "Edit" box are you referring to? I just looked into the article, and everything seems to be fine. - KNM Talk 18:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, sure. I will do it over this weekend. Thanks. - KNM Talk 19:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Karnataka Tourism

Yes, I know that. Actually a few days back I did create Karnataka tourism page. In next few days I will be working on making the paragraph in the main article concise. BTW, where do u stay in US. I am a student at UMass amherst, MA. Leotolstoy 19:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I have enabled it, but not sure if its working. Anyways my mail id is manju_____at_____cs.umass.edu. (Ignore _). Leotolstoy 01:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chalukyas

Thank you for considering my advice. I will take another look at your interesting article in the coming days and see if I can help with copy edits. By the way, I am a woman.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 02:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] flowery language

The issue is terms like "impressive," which are subjective perceptions of the work. Some critic may have been impressed by them, but it's still POV to say that things are impressive. If it's not an objective fact, we shouldn't assert it as anything but a cited opinion. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 17:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

You either take out the term "impressive," or cite it to a source, like "Such and such is considered impressive by such and such a critic." It wouldn't be appropriate for us to write something like "Satan is evil," but it would be fine to say "XXX considers Satan to be evil" Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 17:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eastern Chalukyas map

Dinesh

I will try and do it this weekend. - Parthi talk/contribs 00:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vijayanagara

Great work Dinesh. I'll go through it when I get time. Keep it up! deeptrivia (talk) 18:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar - Thanks!!

Thanks a lot for your kindness. I wasnt expecting a barnstar from anybody anytime soon and I am really flattered. And, coming from you - an editor who I hold as one of the most 'constructive' and useful editors on WP, it is all the more special. Thank you! Sarvagnya 21:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

To answer your question on KNM's page - see here. Sarvagnya 21:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sringeri

Hi Dinesh, I had a couple of pictures taken in Sringeri. I have added them to the article. Agree with you that we need work on the articles on temples/temple towns in Karnataka and improve the quality of those articles. Naveenbm 15:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hoysala architecture

Hi Dinesh, copyediting is not really my specialty, but I can offer some advice about how to structure the article to meet the featured article criteria. I don't really know much about architecture, but one thing you'll want to do is look at other featured articles on architecture and try to meet or exceed their standards. Look for ideas on what topics to cover and how to balance the coverage properly. Also look in your sources to try to make sure you've covered all the relevant topics and in appropriate levels of detail. More important topics should get relatively more coverage. Also, you'll want to remove lists from the articles. Instead of presenting lists, such as the list of famous temples, eliminate that and decide which ones are important enough to cover in prose and which aren't. The list can be moved to something like List of examples of Hoysala architecture or whatever is appropriate and link that in the 'See also' section. Similar with the list on inherited feaures, turn that into prose instead, the list in deities, and the one explaining the main parts of a temple. Also put the parts of the temple in the same order as how you present them in the paragraphs the follow. Hope that helps. Keep up the good work. - Taxman Talk 20:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dinesh, about Hoysala architecture, I was wondering if you have any information about architecture other than in temples. Like.. is there anything else that these people built other than temples. I have always wondered about this, we have palaces of kings who ruled in the last 300 400 years or so.. but nothing before that... if temples could stand for a 1000 years, why are there no palaces that are that old? Or am I mistaken? This is one of the things. Another thing is maybe we can make a table which lists all the important temples etc., that were built along with the dates and the kings who built them and the architect's name also if available. Sarvagnya 03:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I will anyway look and copedit both articles in the next couple of days. I have already started with Hoysala architecture. And one more thing, do you have any photographs of some of the empty spaces that are there on some parts of the wall panels in these temples. Maybe a note on the invasions etc., that took place during construction of these temples and any destruction that happened as a result of these invasions can also be mentioned briefly in a section. Sarvagnya 03:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hoysala Empire

For this article it looks like you've done great research. Make sure you work on the flow of the prose, look for ways to keep sentences from being choppy by transitioning smoothly from one to the next. For the same reasons, merge short paragraphs into single paragraphs covering a full concept, expand them into full paragraphs of their own if they are important enough, or remove them if they aren't important enough to cover. You should end up with no one or two sentence paragraphs. Probably the biggest thing unbalanced in the coverage is there is too little on the Religion and Society, that could stand to be covered under a full section of it's own, under a primary level heading if there is enough information about it. We need music and food and dance and language, etc too. If there is legitimately not enough information, state evidence for that also. - Taxman Talk 20:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pattabhi Jois

Hi. Well done for your work on this article. I noticed you wrote almost all of it and that it has a couple of tags on it although there is nothing in the article talk about it; I'll be contacting the person who placed those, but I wondered first of all how much of the article comes from the single reference you've provided. Rather than add lots of {{fact}} tags or remove the {{wikify-date|August 2006}} and {{sources}} tags, in the first instance I thought I'd ask you. Best wishes --Guinnog 22:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Would you care to discuss in the article talk how we can make the article better? Cheers --Guinnog 22:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!!

Dear Dinesh, Thank you very much for the barnstar. It really makes one feel proud receiving awards from an outstanding contributors like you!! This has increased my responsibilities as well. Thank you again and wish you all the best!! - KNM Talk 01:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the question you have asked about different types of barnstar's, please refer to Wikipedia:Barnstars page, which gives entire information. Hope that helps. Thank you. - KNM Talk 01:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hoysala Architecture

Dinesh, The "Famous Temples" section is now fixed. Please see if everything is okay. Also, I have changed the alignment of the famous-temples template from "Right" to "Left", so that in the article it comes in the left side and we can have other information like either text and/or images on the right side. We can discuss further in the article talk page, if this is not you were expecting or if you have other suggestions. Finally, the section can have one more image of the same size of the existing two. Can we move any of the related (ie, temple) image to this section? So that this section will be full without any spaces. Thank you. - KNM Talk 17:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

That is fine. I have rearranged again based on your inputs. Please take a look now.
"Famous temples" section is now full without any empty spaces (contains a table towards left and four images towards right).
I have moved one of the images of Somanathapura temple to "Famous architects" section, as it was depicting an architecture style also mentioned in that image's caption.
Please see if you can add more information about architects. The section just has couple of lines and if you can few more lines it would look great and more informative. Thank you. - KNM Talk 22:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I wrote a note on his talk page asking him to stop.Bakaman Bakatalk 23:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Temple tank - thanks!

Have used it in two articles - thanks! Mattisse(talk) 03:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] suryakanth kamath

Hi, Ur citations of A conscise history of karnataka by Surkanth kamath,as u know, is contested by many. I request u to present a neutral and credible source within 24 hours.Reasons behind this request is-

1)Your source seems to be fanatical, uncredible, hoax, advertisement of ur culture/language.
2)You have not presented any online/soft copy of ur source and hence it is not verifiable.

Failing to do so,I will be forced to remove ur citations. Mahawiki 19:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Has anybody other than Mahawiki ever claimed that this fellow is not a credible writer. Dinesh has been writing a lot of historical culture articles for a long time and I am sure that many Indian admins are aware of his extensive work. Until one of them expresses a concern that Kamath is not credible, then I think he safely ignore this threat. Has anybody else questioned whether Dinesh is putting fake info into an article which is not from the source he claims it to be? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Funny :D. btw, who is suryakanth kamath?? :D Sarvagnya 19:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Who is Suryakant Kamat?

I dont know any Suryakant Kamath. I know and own a book by "Suryanath Kamath" though. Its not my responsibility to produce a soft copy for you. Go to a good book store (if you have one in your town) and buy it. If you cant find it, order it and read it.The full name of the book is clearly given in my citations. Looks like someone is back fresh from a block out and is trying to wage war again? Dont try to get too aggressive, unless you want to be blocked again.Dineshkannambadi 19:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No communication please

Mahawiki, Dont leave any messages on my talk page and dirty the page. Whenever you want to discuss with me, find an admin who is willing to put up with you so we can communicate on his page.Dineshkannambadi 19:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Mahawiki

I'm not taking sides here. If you really want to know, I've had trouble with Sarvagnya & KNM, and feel closer to mahawiki now. I would take sides with him, but you've shown a dedication to improving the encyclopedia that the others (everyone else fighting around) hasnt. I also dont need more problems right now.Bakaman Bakatalk 01:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] ಸುವರ್ಣ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಕನ್ನಡ ರಾಜ್ಯೋತ್ಸವ

ಕನ್ನಡ ರಾಜ್ಯೋತ್ಸವದ ಹಾರ್ದಿಕ ಶುಭಾಶಯಗಳು!!

Wish you a very happy Kannada Rajyothsava. - KNM Talk 02:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kannada Rajyothsava Shubhashayagalu

ಉಸಿರಾಗಲಿ ಕನ್ನಡ ಬದುಕಾಗಲಿ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕGnanapiti 02:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Talikota

Hi, sorry for the delay. I sourced the casualty figures from the reference mentioned in the article. India Today collector's edition on history. Idleguy 04:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

If possible, can you get any pictures of the talikota fort (I presume it's in ruins) or the approximate place where the battle was fought? the article can sure use some images. Idleguy 14:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ಸುವರ್ಣ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ರಾಜ್ಯೋತ್ಸವದ ಹಾರ್ದಿಕ ಶುಭಾಶಯಗಳು!! :)


ಇದನ್ನ ಕ್ಲಿಕ್ಕಿಸಿ ಎದ್ದು ನಿಂತ್ಕೊಳಿ :) - ಸರ್ವಜ್ಞ


[edit] ಕನ್ನಡ ರಾಜ್ಯೋತ್ಸವದ ಶುಭಾಶಯಗಳು

ನಿಮಗೂ ಸಹ ಕನ್ನಡ ರಾಜ್ಯೋತ್ಸವದ ಹಾರ್ದಿಕ ಶುಭಾಶಯಗಳು -- ನವೀನ್

[edit] Battle of Talikota article

Hi Dinesh, In that article, under "Aftermath" section, can you also add what happened to the areas that Vijayanagar had controlled in present day TN and Kerala. I believe in TN, the Madurai and Coimbatore Nayaks declared their independence and started ruling. Or maybe I am mistaken. Also what happened in Kerala? Can you please add these details. Sarvagnya 17:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Emblems of dynasties and empires

Another thing, I just remembered. In all the history articles you have created about so many empires and dynasties, can you also add their emblems in the infoboxes? For example you could add the Vijaynagara emblem in the infoboxes on all Vijayanagar related pages. I am assuming that all these emblems are available in the books you have and you can scan them. Once again I am not sure about copyright issues in doing such a thing. Sarvagnya 17:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chalukya dynasty -> WP:FA

Dinesh, any updates on this? What is the current status? Are you expecting further peer reviews? - KNM Talk 05:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hoysala architecture

Amazing!! Thank you very much for fulfilling my request. The architects section now looks great. Also, we will need to put more information in Amarashilpi Jakanachari article and ofcourse will need to create article on Kaidala. I can get more information of that place along with the images. Thanks again! - KNM Talk 20:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Chennakesava Temple and UNESCO Brihadeshvara Temple v Brihadeshvara Temple

Dineshkannambadi, thanks for your message. I believe you should do what's best for the temple situation. And, of course, please feel free to correct mistakes! The temple problem is very confusing. It's impossible to find a temple if you don't know where to look (like what complex or town it is in). Then there is the problem of the differing names. I created many temple articles and worked on others but I have stopped now, discouraged.

I tried to find out if there were policy guidlelines governing temples, like whether the word "temple" should be capitalized or not, but could not get answers so I just followed what seemed to be the common practice. I noticed that people started putting a variety of templates on the temple articles which, often in my humble opinion, served to deflect the focus from the beauty of the temple) to the large template instead.

I wrote an article on Brihadeshvara Temple [1] (as it is called on UNESCO World Heritage [2] but then it got merged with Brihadeeswarar Temple, apparently an alternate spelling. I got accused of being a sockpuppet because it was thought I used "Brihadeshvara Temple" as a deliberate ploy to confuse. Now the article is a mess with all sorts of unreferenced material stuck in it and a tag saying an expert is needed.

So I would be all in favor of a common policy on temples and also a way of finding out whether an article already exists or not. And where it is -- which town or complex since sometimes more than one claim it. Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 15:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Your solutions sounds good. I believe that, except in the cases you note, villages and towns deserve to have their own identity and not be used as an alternative name for an attraction or notable site located there. (I feel that way about where I live.) And I respect very much your knowledge of architecture and I am learning from you. Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 18:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Its nice to see the works of our ancestors to be recognised

I have some more pictures of Doddagaddavalli ,which i can mail you if you want.I am glad someone interested is taking up the work of creating articles about the many lesser known places. Akshay Srinivasan


[edit] I have pictures of doddagaddavlli only

Sorry but i only have pictures of gaddavalli ,i haven't seen any other temple built by hoysalas other than that one.I uploaded 4 more photographs ,of the gaddavalli temple

[edit] Chalukya dynasty FAC

Dinesh

We can move to the FAC process. See WP:FAC for details on how to nominate. I was a bit disappointed with the response with the peer review. Hopefully the FAC will generate more comments. Parthi talk/contribs 22:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Dinesh, I have written some explanation to Dwaipayan's comments. ISBN is not a major issue. Most older books publised in India do not have ISBNs. However you need to look at the comments on the Lead para. Also try and create stub articles for all the redlinks on the page. The Lead para also should not have any inline citations. You can move the citations down to the body where appropriate.
Parthi talk/contribs 21:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I have done some copyedit in the lead so as to make it more easy to understand. Please see if it's ok now. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hoysala Empire and Hoysala architecture

Sir, I see that you often run spell check on some of my articles. Thanks. Can you run the same on these two articles mentioned in the message title as well or could you show me how to. Thanks againDineshkannambadi 21:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I've spell checked both of those for you. If you're interested in spell checking from within your web browser, you might like to take a look at Firefox 2.0. It includes a built in spellchecker. All the best, CmdrObot 01:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Access date

Dines

If you include the website in the Reference section using the following format {{cite web |url=http://www.ourkarnataka.com |title=Chalukya History |accessdate=2006-11-09 |format= |work= }} it will stisfy the requirement. The access date can be today's date. It only means that the website was last accessed by you today, which in a ways tells the reviewer that the information is correct as of today. - Parthi talk/contribs 03:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Somanathapura and Keshava temple

Yes, I can try. Mattisse(talk) 15:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I would prefer some version of the second suggestion so the town can keep its own identity -- Keshava temple(Somanathapura) or some version of this. Mattisse(talk) 15:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Don't have time now, but maybe I can come up with enough for a page (or stub at least) for the town. Mattisse(talk) 15:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
No data problem -- yes. Is there nothing? I don't have time now but maybe I'll do that first (see if I can come up with a town page or not) -- then we can make the decision about the temple name. Mattisse(talk) 15:29, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] town article

I started writing the article, then through a chance link Cauvery Falls, I discovered an article on the town already exists under another name Shivanasamudra (or Shivasamudram). So my article Sivasamudram is going to end up getting redirected there anyway! What do you want to do now? Mattisse(talk) 17:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I have turned Sivasamudram into Sivasamudram Falls. I tried to answer you before but got an edit conflict and lost my message. Mattisse(talk) 18:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm losing all interest since everything is going to be merged into one article. I'm not interested in working on that. They took my waterfalls and want to merge that too. Mattisse(talk) 19:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Chalukya Infobox and other infoboxes

Yes, I have just updated the template of chalukya infobox as per Parthi's and your suggestions. Now the heading states, ಚಾಲುಕ್ಯ ರಾಜವಂಶ and Chalukya Dynasty, consistent with the article name.

Sure, I will look into the information on other infoboxes and will create the required templates accordingly. Thanks. - KNM Talk 04:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] dates

Sorry, I did not remove all dates links, I only work on stand alone years and centuries. It is not the significance of dates that are important--that is nowhere stated in the WP guidelines, it is whether the date article in question adds anything of significance to the main article. Please look at the links involved. Thanks Hmains 19:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

My only problem is if a person does not know the town's name already, how will they know there is a temple there? The search at Wikipedia is not helpful. When something is called one word, say "Bruvewopxxzz", in the India articles it could be a district, a city or town, a river, the town nearest a waterfall, the town nearest a UNESCO World Heritage Site, the town nearest a dam, the town nearest a wildlife preserve, the town nearest a windmill farm -- in others words, it could be anything. Maybe I am being dense, but I am confused all the time over this problem. There is a List of Hindu temples which I have gone by in the past, but now I know it is inaccurate and irrelevant. Maybe there is no answer that will satisfy everyone. You have a much more sophisticated view of Indian temple architecture so your view counts more than mine. Maybe you have some suggestions about how I can resolve my problem of not being able to find temples (or dams, or waterfalls, etc.) Mattisse(talk) 21:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Forgive me if I am a little grouchy today and yesterday as I am dealing with something else here that has nothing to do with anything wonderful like India or temples. Whatever you come up with I'll help you out. Plese don't compromise anything on my account. Mattisse(talk) 21:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! Your note helps. Mattisse(talk) 00:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chalukya dynasty: comments

Hi! I am not sure if it is a must for an FA, but the article apparently lacks a good systematic organisation of the references. Please see the "notes" and "reference" section of Rabindranath Tagore. It's neat, useful. Can you please try to arrange the reference in that way? I again tell, it is not probably a must for becoming FA, as you can find in many other FAs, including Chola dynasty, using notes and reference more or less in the same way as Chalukya dynasty. However, the look is better with the other style. You can still use quotes/comments from the partcular sources.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Please see the article Prem Rawat. It uses many book sources. However, the style in which the "Notes" have been organised looks better, though not exactly perfect. In that article, quotations from books have been used in the notes, quite like in the Chalukya dynasty. Many website links in Chalukya dynasty appears as mere numbers, not as description. The website sources should be described, along with access date. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Dinesh, please do not call me sir, please simply call me by name i.e. Shyam. Thanks for adding useful information. But the provided information mostly talk about a particular event. We are talking about the effect or impact of Chalukyas in modern culture. So please add something more relevant. Paragraph is looking in very bad format. Please arrange accordingly. It could be broken into two small paragraphs (not sure), one for the event, if you want to elabore the event, other for cultural activities. I would appericiate your efforts to get the article featured status. Shyam (T/C) 16:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eastern Chalukyas and Western Chalukyas Infoboxes

Yes, I just added transliterations for both the infoboxes. Thanks for reminding. Created Eastern Chalukya infobox and used it in Eastern Chalukyas article. The greatest king has been left empty. Please fill it as you know better. :) Thank you, - KNM Talk 02:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beautifil articles!

I have been sending links to your articles as examples to another person who is suddenly doing numerious temple articles for another area in India. Is there an India temple guidleline somewhere? You are looking at temples from a complex, wholistic view -- what you were telling me about temples being intergrated into temple town life, plus the intricate architectural aspects and also the relationship to historical eras. If I can help you I will. (My Wikipedia hardship has abated and I am no longer under duress.) However, as you know, I don't really know anything about temples or even about India. Tell me how I can help you without messing things up! Mattisse(talk) 16:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Will do. Mattisse(talk) 18:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sivasamudram/Shivanasamudra

Hi Dineshkannambadi, I know you discussed the naming issue with Mattisse. Mattisse is not currently interested in dealing with this particular issue, but I thought I would notify you that User:Sarvagnya takes a different position on the name. He believes, if I am not mistaken, that Shivanasamudra is the right name for the falls and the village. I am officially agnostic on the the name issue. You are correct that the majority of maps and other references use "Sivasamudram". That is how it is spelt on my map as well. However, I personally don't think mapmakers are authorative in such matters. They are also faced with having to choose from a number of possibilities, and they in turn may have chosen one name because someone else chose that name, and so on. So, I will go with whatever name you two decide. Sincerely, --BostonMA talk 03:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation format

Hi Dinesh

You will need to use the cite-php syntax for inline web references. I was asked to do this for the History of Tamil Nadu FAC. the format is {{cite web|title=Badami Chalukyans' magical transformation|url=http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/jul262005/spectrum1422512005725.asp |author= Azmathulla Shariff |publisher= Deccan Herald|work= Deccan Herald, Spectrum, July 26, 2005|accessdate=2006-11-10}}. I have changed a couple in the Chalukya dynasty article for your reference. - Parthi talk/contribs 04:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apology

Hi, I'm sorry about not helping you out as I had said I would. I feel that Indians do not want non-Indians getting involved with the Indian pages. That has been made very clear to me. (Not by you at all, but very much from others.) So I am moving on to other areas where the working climate is more congenial. You I admire because you are focusing on the information and not on parochial concerns. But if people in India want to keep others out, then I cannot argue with that. Again, I admire your focus on informaion and facts over emotions. Maybe there will be a time when I can come back, but now is certainly not the time. So sorry! It is my loss. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 09:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ISBN for books

Hi, I can help you with the footnotes, etc. as long as I can stay out of the fistfights. You do need to use the ISBN for books. I noticed on Chennakesava Temple they are missing. I appreciate your note and want to help. Just keep me away from the people who feel non-Indians should not be involved in articles on India. Yes, I have thought of going to India. I believe the people there are very nice. I know many people from Sri Lanka (which I am not sure about the politics of that) but they are wonderful people in person. And a friend and I were planning to go to India. But that is on hold right now. Thank you so much for your note. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 00:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAC

Dinesh After a while the FAC director User:Raul will select the article as featured and remove it from the FAC list. Then you can create a Featured article request and wait for it to be featured on the home page. - Parthi talk/contribs 02:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the message

You are very kind. Thank you. Mattisse(talk) 04:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

Hi! Congrats for getting Chalukya dynasty to FA status.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

For making it appear in the main page, you have to submit the article in Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests, along with a summary and representative and free image. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
This is great! Congrats.. Another Indian editor joining the ranks of FA writers!! -- Lost(talk) 16:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Wow! That great to hear!! Congrats on a great article. It was yours all the way. Mine was just aLilu sEve. :) Sarvagnya 16:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations from me too. - Aksi_great (talk) 18:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chalukya dynasty -> FA status

Excellent news! Indeed a great achievement by you, Dinesh. Congratulations!! Hope to see it on the main page soon. I wish this be the beginning of the long journey of FA articles from you. Thanks for your contributions!! - KNM Talk 16:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For your tireless contributions on making Chalukya dynasty a featured article and for your excellent contributions in lot more articles on South Indian history. KNM Talk 16:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Chalukya dynasty Main Page Request

I have created this. Please update it for further information, if any, still keeping it as consize as possible. We might also need to get inputs from others. Thanks - KNM Talk 17:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations!

Well done Dinesh! It is good to see your hard work coming ro fruition. As KNM says, all you need to do is to create the request on the Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests page. If you have a preferred date for this to be featured on the home page, then mention that in the request. Well done again!! - Parthi talk/contribs 19:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The Request looks fine. They don't like using maps on the font page. May be the photo of the 'Dancing Siva' instead of the temple? - Parthi talk/contribs 03:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appreciation & respect

Your use of references is so much appreciated by me, as in Chalukya dynasty where you have appropriately sourced "Legends". This I hardly ever see. I have true appreciation for your respect of fact (to the degree fact exists) over emotion. (Not that I dislike emotion as my profession specializes in it.) Very good work! Mattisse(talk) 04:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] request

I created Abdur Razzaq (traveller) (of viyjayanagar fame)some time ago. You have anything to add to it? It looks empty and I was hoping you might know more about him, since Vijayanagar is your area of expertise.Bakaman Bakatalk 22:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Do you know what to do with this -- throw it away?

I discovered this Annapoorneshwari Temple which has had its name changed to Adi-Shaktyatmaka Shri Annapoorneshwari, according to Chikkamagaluru District article. It probably should be merged or deleted or have it's name changed or something. I am not in a possition to know. Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 14:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I did that linking, going by what the article said. Then I thought I better ask you about it. Mattisse(talk) 21:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article that needs your eyes

Palimaru. I saw a redlink on Udupi and created it.Bakaman Bakatalk 16:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hoysala

Nope. That ip edit is not mine. But unless that edit has broken something, on the face of it, the edit looks fair. Sarvagnya 16:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Much appreciated

Hi Dinesh, Thanks very much for the award. It means a lot coming from someone who understands History and documenting History. Keep up the good work. Cheers - Parthi talk/contribs 01:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Hoysala

Yes, I will do it soon. Thanks. - KNM Talk 21:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Is kannada Most beautiful script among Indian Languages?

I have talked with various Linguist Experts and other common people.Their seem to be unanimous opinion on this. I can give various links of foreigners quoating the same.So why is that we are afraid to take that comments,Is it because of typical kannadiga mentaility afraid to show their richness regarding to language or Literature/

Reply--> Dear Mr IPaddress, please log in so we can communicate better. Coming to Kannada, I dont think I need to prove my patriotism towards my mother tongue. My actions and contributions speak for me. While I feel the same about Kannada script as you do, all such controversial statements on wikipedia must be accompanied with citations. What you have "heard" from others is of no importance as far as wikipedia is concerned. If you have a valid source from which you are quoting, provide the source, author, page number and publisher, etc of the book, and I shall proudly accept it. I hope you understand my point.

Jai Kannada.Dineshkannambadi 13:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hoysala Empire

Hi Dinesh. I saw your note on Mattisse's user page regarding review of this article. The article looks well written. I do have some comments though.

  • The first paragraph has the phrase
"and the fertile areas south of the Kaveri river including Srirangam and Kanchipuram."

Kanchipuram is north of Kaveri, and Srirangam is an island on the Kaveri. So perhaps better wording would be

"Srirangam, Kanchipuram as well as fertile areas south of the Kaveri River."

I may have more comments later today, but have to sign off for now. --BostonMA talk 13:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Depiction of Hoy-sala. A section reads:
Hoysala temples nonetheless often have a sculpture depicting the fight between Sala and the tiger on top of the sukanasi (tower of vestibule connecting shrine and the main hall).

My recollection is that the Chennakesheva temple in Belur depicts this story scultpture that is either part of the freize on the outside wall, or actually in front of the freize (by an entrance as I remember it -- probably incorrectly). It may also be on top, but I don't recall that. I have no recollection of such a depiction at the temple in Somanathapur. Of course my failure to recollect something does not mean that it is not there. But anyway, I was wondering about the "often...on top of the sukanasi". Is there are reference for that? --BostonMA talk 22:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

  • "in Mudigere taluk of Chikmagalur district" should say "in what is presently Mudigere taluk, Chikmagalur district". --BostonMA talk 22:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • "Veera Ballala III, ... expanded his kingdom to encompass all of South India, south of the Krishna River". all of South India, south of seems wrong, as this would imply present day Kerala as well as TN down to Kanyakumari. The map of the extent of Hoysala empire doesn't show that. --BostonMA talk 23:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • "many backward classes embraced Jainism and Virashaivaism." I think there is a POV issue with this statement. Many learned people, wealthy people, people of excellent character etc. embraced Jainism and Virashaivaism as well. At least that is my opinion. --BostonMA talk 23:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • "the growth of Vedic Hinduism" I think the term "Vedic Hinduism" is ambiguous, and possibly POV. If what is meant is simply that Jains and Virashaivites do not accept the vedas as divine literature, whereas other Hindu traditions do, then I agree. However, the expression "vedic hinduism" also suggests the importance of the continuity between the earlier vedic religion and hinduism that developed from that religion. I do not wish to offend anyone's religious feelings. However, I think it can be argued that the vedas have been radically reinterpretted by hinduism. I think it can be argued that the evolution of hinduism, with its rejection of many parts of the original vedic religion, are just as significant as the continuity, or perhaps more so. Again, I do not wish to offend anyone's sensibilities. I only wish to point out that there are other points of view. --BostonMA talk 00:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hoysala Empire

Hi, I will try. I'm still embroiled in a wiki mess, but perhaps the Hoysala Empire is exactly the kind of task that will help me get through this day. Thanks! Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 15:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I read the first sentences and I have a question. Do you want me to change problems or not change but report problems? The first sentence starts out The Empire . .. but then switches to "they". It should be "it" (refering to empire) or else who "they" are has to be explained before the use of the pronoun. Am I making sense? Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 16:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
O.K. The "they" is the Hoysala kings (or just the Hoysalas}? Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 18:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
To me, the first paragraph has sentences that are too long and complex. If it were my article, I would use as simple language as possible and shorter, less complex sentences. What do you think? (I am looking at the first paragraph.) Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 19:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, in rough draft form. When I write I usually start really simple and add complexity, if needed, later. So that's what I do so you can see. Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 19:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rough draft

The Hoysala Empire (Kannada: ?????? ?????????) ruled large parts of southern India at its peak in the 13th century. The Hoysalas were in power from about 950 to 1346 CE. Belur was their first capital. Later it became Halebidu, Karnataka. They were originally hill people from Malnad Karnataka. In the 12th century, they annexed large areas of Karnataka, including most of Kannada country and the fertile areas north of the Kaveri river delta including Srirangam and Kanchipuram. They succeeded in this by using the conflict between their overlords, the Western Chalukyas, and the rising southern Kalachuri as a wedge to divide power. They used the power struggle between the waning Cholas and the Pandyas of Tamil country in the same way. By this means, the Hoysalas were able to splinter the power structure and climb into the vacuum.

I actually don't know how they did it -- I'm just guessing. Something along these lines I am offering as a suggestion. Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 20:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I like what you did to it. Now I understand what happened there for the first time! Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 23:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Keshava temple

To me it is a shame (from the point of view of your article) that Keshava temple does not have it's own name. Your points would be some much clearer if it did. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 00:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I see that you have one of those Smiley Awards as appeared on my talk page also! Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 00:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects

One thing you might want to check out is where the links in your article are sending people -- the reason I try to avoid redirects and piping if possible! I tried to figure it out in your article but became confused. To me (my personal opinion) if you mean Kannada language then it is less confusing to the reader if the link says that. After they have been to Kanada they most likely will never click on it again. Also, there is a Kannada literature page somewhere. (I say this because I am always clicking on a link and ending up somewhere unexpected -- often a redirect back to the page I am on already -- this happened to me several times today on a Russian article! Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 01:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Like the Malnad link which I am just now investigating. It has the potential of sending the reader to a disambig page. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 01:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Large chunks of text

There is disagreement on this, I know. However I find large blocks of text intemidating, especially on a subject I am trying to learn about. For example, in your article, the Basavanna subheading is confusing. The image needs beter placement(in my opinion) and the text, perhaps, paragraphed some. What do you think? (Also, Talakad has wonderful possibilities! For later, I know.) Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 03:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I think moving the image to the right would help, plus formatting or paragraphing it for easier reading. If you want me to help, just let me know. As you are aware, I know nothing about the content of the article. I am looking at it as a copy editor. (Athough I can't spell!) Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 14:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
O.K. Just let me know when you are ready. Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 15:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] South Indian Cinema and Music Award

Dear Dinesh: Just thought we'd need experienced Wikipedians to discuss about the introduction or removal of a new barnstar for South Indian Cinema and Music. Would appreciate very much you taking a look at the discussion and perhaps providing your comment here. Thank you. Best wishes, AppleJuggler 15:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Basavanna - rough draft

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Basavanna (also known as Basava) was born in the town of Bagevadi in 1105, in the present day Bijapur district, Karnataka. At the time, the region was under the control of the Western Chalukyas who were the overlords of the Hoysalas of South Karnataka and the Kalachuris of northern deccan.

Basava refused to accept the Brahmin thread ceremony during his youth. He was erudite in Sanskrit and Kannada and so he went to Kudala Sangama and was changed by his stay there. He met Ishanyaguru, an ascetic, under whose influence he gained vision, broadened his knowledge and received glimpses of his life's mission.[1] From here, Basava went to Mangalawada to work under king Bijjala II and soon rose to a position of authority as a member of the king's council. During this time he began to teach his beliefs in simple Kannada. Large groups of people seeking emancipation used to gather around him to listen to his discourses.

When King Bijjala II captured Kalyani (now known as Basavakalyana in Bidar district), the capital of the Western Chalukyas, Basava moved there with the king. From the Anubhava Mantapa, a place of religious gatherings, Basava and other great Veerashaiva saints like Akka Mahadevi, Allama Prabhu, and Madivala Machayya, spoke of their mystic experiences.[2] Through their teachings a new religious order called Virashaivaism arose and gained popularity. Its basic tenet was its opposition to a caste based society. These mystics expressed themselves through poetry known today as Vachanas.[3] Basava's unorthodox ways made him well known and people from all over the deccan joined the congregations. They were the Sharanas (devotees) of Lord Shiva. Famous poets in the Hoysala court like Harihara and Raghavanka were Virashaiva by faith. Basava died in 1168.


  1. Again, I was guessing some and I was trying to find subsitutions for using the same phrase over again, like "gained populartity".
  2. In this sentence I'm not sure who the "they" refers to: "They were the Sharanas (devotees) of Lord Shiva."
  3. Also, I feel like there needs to be s sentence summary (or something) before "Basava died in 1168." e.g. By the time of his death in 1168, Basava had achieved..... (or whatever).
  4. Is there a reason why you are not using normal subheadings and using br instead?

Tell me what you think. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 17:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Basavanna

The paragraphs help very much I think. I see your problem in getting the narrative to flow. You don't want to be inaccurate, yet all the interesting details preceding his death can not possibly go into this article.

What would you say Basavanna's overall importance was, if you had to sum it up in a few sentences? I'm thinking of the overall continuity of the article. He must fit into a larger picure by having had some sort of historical impact.

Since each of these three people under Religion has their own biographical article, would it be useful if this article (since it is an overview article) showed how they relate to the history of religion during this period and perhaps the overall impact of different religions on the Hoysala Empire? Something along those lines?

I know how hard it is to deal with so much information. I'm thinking perhaps this article needs to tie things together in a way the indiviual articles cannot. Hope I am helping and not making things more difficult! Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 20:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

more "time released" and did not just impact the Hoysalas -- they did impact the Hoysaolas though, didn't they? Or religion did? Or the Hoysalas impacted religion? This was the great temple-building time - why was it? (I've been curious myself about the relationship of religion to all the flourishing during this period.) Was it just that religion was the easiest vehicle of expression? The king stories sound otherwise. Maybe the way to go is to get into the king-related events and show how religion intersected with politics in a way that the individual biographies cannot. (I'm not trying to badger you!) Sincerely, Mattisse(talk)

[edit] Know what you mean

I understand. However, if you have sources for information, WP:V etc., you can present information without taking sides. Or take multiple sides "What happened at his death is controversial even today -- one account is that this happened (reference), while these findings suggest that happened (reference)." Yes, one must be careful, I agree. Sourcing everything protects you and the information you are presenting. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 21:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article focus

Would it be all right then, to have a few short, general paragraphs about religion to give the context and leave it at that? After all, these three people have independent articles of their own which you have links to for the reader. So maybe all you have to do is say what you need to for the architecture etc. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 21:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

So I will include a few lines about Bijalla's relation with Basava, Vishnuvardhana relationship with Ramanujacharya both with citations . . .
Yes, that is what I would do. If it is not adding to your topic, it is just in the way from my point of view. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 21:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I think the Deccan Herald, the writer V. something, is always writing interesting articles about the temples that involve the tourist aspect also. And it seems like the Goverment of India thinks about tourists quite astutely, The offical state and district web sites usually involve tourism and have temple information for that reason. It's just like you say, the temples are known the world over as spectacular architectual works of art. The specifics of the religious arguments are for articles on religion to worry about. (From my point of view, anyway!) Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 21:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Impact

I like that section. It certainly sums things up for me. It is good to tie it into the present, the impact today -- the coin. "Impact" seems fine for now -- it is short and to the point. Maybe there is a better word but it does not come to mind. The way it reads, it seems like you felt comfortable writing it -- no vagueness -- just straight and to the point. If the article gets too long you can always strip it down, summarize more. Maybe History or some other category could become a separate article.

Is there some special guideline you are following for FA? Looking at today's FA, Battle of Austerlitz, one thing to think about is the neatness and compactness of the TOC. For example, is "Founders" important enough to be a major header? Todays article is basically

  1. Prelude
  2. Battle
  3. Aftermath
  4. Popular misconceptions

What do you think? Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:07, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This would help me

If I just went into the article and fixed the headings, then I could tell what the TOC is. Right now it looks like "Founders" is all by itself, as the subheading do not show up. Do you think it might be better to vsll it "History"? I just looked at another FA, British African-Caribbean community. Zleitzen just got that a few days ago. His TOC is longer, like yours, but I notice his headings are very clear, like today's FA, and the creativity is in the subheadings. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The guidelines

FA is becomming more strict as Wikipedia seeks to upgrade itself. You have the bases covered on citations. You should look at this: Wikipedia:What is a featured article?

  1. "a substantial but not overwhelming table of contents"
  2. "It is of appropriate length, staying focused on the main topic without going into unnecessary detail"

Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vaishnava Hinduism

I don't understand the little paragraph under Religion. Since "Vaishnava Hinduism" isn't clickable, how does it differ from Hinduism?

Also, now "Consolidation" only has "Continuity" under it and you must have at least two subheadings. Could they go under "History" separately? That would give History four subheadings. Not wanting to badger you! I've got to stop now anyway. Good night. Now I have a much clearer idea of where you are going for tomorrow. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 03:07, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maybe a solution

I just discovered a solution (maybe) to definitions on British African-Caribbean community FA. Near the top, Zleitzen uses {{cref|Term}} . Maybe you already know about this. It seems like a good way to explain the religious terimology without complicating your article. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 14:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Looks good!

I have to leave for a short time -- hour -- and will take a better look when I get back. Now I'm thinking about the organisation of the entire article. Doesn't all the government/administration stuff usually come before Art and Religion in these articles? Don't have time to think it out now. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 14:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cref|Term

There seem to be several different ways, I notice. In British African-Caribbean community, he is using a combination of (I guess, php cites) to direct the reader to the "Content notes" section near the bottom. In that section there are links, but some of his explanations are text explations without links. Speaking as a non-Indian, the terminalogy and the different names is very confusing and I end up skipping sections in Indian articles that get too involved. If there are generic terms for some of this, then I think those should be used (my opinion) so the general reading public can understand. Then further explanations can be given if needed, but not in the body of the article.

For the same reason (not confusing the reader) I believe you should stick to one name for each person/place etc. Under "Basavanna" (also known as Basava and Basaveshwara), the subheading is Basavanna, you start the section by calling him "Basavanna", but then through out the section he is refered to as "Basava". Then I look at the image to the right and the title is "Basaveshwara". Even after editing that section yesterday, I did a double take and thought, who is that? (You would think I would have learned something!)

I have not had time to examine your article since I got back but will do so now. Quick glance indicates vast improvement! Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 17:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consolidation infobox

I only know they are kings because I looked at the code and you are using {{Hoysala Kings Infobox}}. Is there a way of having the title of the infobox be Hoysala Empire Kings? (I'm not trying to pester you but to give you an idea of what a person who is not Indian goes through. There are hardly any India articles I have actually read because of this problem. (Of couse, I am a particularly easily confused person.) Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 17:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] generic terms

I know. I got accused of being a sockpuppet because of a situation like that (then RFC's against me, and more, that is still on going and not resolved) -- which is the reason I am very hesitant to work on Indian articles any more (except under your wing).

Once a person steps out of the whole religion/temple/place POV name issues on Wikipedia and looks at current sources of information on the web, one finds that India is hugely dynamic and a hotbed of of novel projects and innovative ideas. But no one realises this on Wikipedia. I am always going to articles on alternative forms of energy, etc. and adding India and listing projects because these types of articles are dominated by Americans and Europeans and it never occurs to them that anything is happening in India except religious squabbles.

What does the Indian government do? How can it govern in a welter of confusing place names? Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 17:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arekalla

The only place in all the world (according to Google) the name of the founder, Arekalla, is mentioned is once in your infobox at the article's top and once buried deep in your article. I thought infoboxes existed to give the reader a very basic summary of important facts.

  • From FA critera #1:
It is well written, comprehensive, factually accurate, neutral and stable. Factually accurate" means that claims are verifiable against reliable sources and accurately present the related body of published knowledge.

Everything else in the infobox is very helpful.

Also, both the Chola dynasty and the Chalukya dynasty have maps closer to the beginning. (In fact I put a copy of the one from Chalukya dynasty in my map collection because I am a map person.) The Chola dynasty has it in the infobox. Just thoughts. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 19:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] founder

I would just take it out. I've been looking at how Chalukya dynasty and Chola dynasty have handled legends/unknow past.


Vidyapati Bilhana, the famous poet in the court of Vikramaditya VI of the Western Chalukya dynasty of Kalyana, mentions a legend in his work, Vikramankadeva Charita:

Indra once requested Brahma to create a hero who would put an end to Godlessness in the world and punish the wicked. Agreeing to his request, Brahma looked into his Chuluka (hollow of the hands) while performing the Sandhya, and lo! From there sprang a mighty warrior. He was called "Chalukya" and he became the eponymous ancestor of the line. In it were born two great heroes, Harita and Manavya who raised the Chalukyas into distinct position. This story is repeated and elaborated in the Ramastipundi grant of Vimaladitya of the Eastern Chalukya family.

Another legend in the Handarike inscription of Vikramaditya VI claims that the Chalukyas were born in the interior of the Chuluka (hollow of the palm) of the sage Haritipanchashikhi when he was pouring out libations to the Gods. The Chalukyas claimed to have been nursed by the Sapta Matrikas (the seven divine mothers). It was a popular practice to link South Indian royal family lineage to a Northern kingdom in ancient times.[4]

According to a Kalyani Chalukya inscription of Vikramaditya VI, the Chalukyas originally hailed from Ayodhya where fifty-nine kings, and later sixteen more, of this family ruled from Dakshinapatha (South India) where they had migrated.[5]


  • On Chola dynasty, where they have no founder, the legend is covered briefly under Early history:

The earliest Chola kings of whom there is tangible evidence are mentioned in the Sangam literature. Scholars now generally agree that this literature belongs to the first few centuries of the common era.[6] The internal chronology of this literature is still far from settled, and at present a connected account of the history of the period cannot be derived. The Sangam literature is full of names of the kings and the princes, and of the poets who extolled them. Despite a rich literature that depicts the life and work of these people, these cannot be worked into connected history.

The Sangam literature is also full of legends about the mythical Chola kings. The Cholas were looked on as descended from the sun.[7] These myths speak of the Chola king Kantaman, a supposed contemporary of the sage Agastya, whose devotion brought the Kaveri River into existence.[8] Two names stand out prominently from among those Chola kings known from the Sangam literature: Karikala Chola and Kocengannan. There is no sure means of settling the order of succession, of fixing their relations with one another and with many other princelings of about the same period.[9] Urayur (near Thiruchirapalli) was their oldest capital.


I think both of those ways are good. The first method, since they can talk about a real founder, gives a flavor of the legends, mentions two contrasting legends, then provides an overall context: "It was a popular practice to link South Indian royal family lineage to a Northern kingdom in ancient times."(ref). It then continues with a fact "originally hailed from" (ref).

The second method may be better for your situation. Rather than getting into trying make a summary of the legends, the article gives (I think) a good overview of the situation regarding ancient sources in the case of the Cholas.

Hope this helps! Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 20:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: place names-confusion

Isn't this an English document? Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 20:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I don't know

How about dynasty as the other two are called dynasty? But since I don't know the history, I don't know which is most accurate. Why are the other two called "dynasty"? What about Wikipedia naming conventions? The second word should be lowercase, should it not? It's not like the Roman Empire, a formal name.

The Wikipedia article on Kingdom has to do with biology.

Are you clear about what is going to be in the article? According to some rules I was reading today, this type of article has to be very flexible because over time, as people add to it, sub articles will have to be spun out from it. So the name should be general. But then, this is a fairly specific area. So it boils down to I don't know. This needs some thought. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 22:42, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Been reading up on FA

It is tough. Wording such as "It was during..." instead of "During..." is the kind of thing that annoys the evaluators. Have you read theough the reviewers' notes on candidates? Also, do you have a timeline? Is there a way of getting a peer review prior to submitting it? What worries me here is that I can evaluate wording, formatting etc. but some of the overall questions, such as empire vs kingdom, are beyond my scope. It seems to me (and I may be totally wrong) that there still are so many India-related terms that need explanation to outsiders that the article is not translucent. If you take your time it can be done. But thought is needed here. It would be a mistake to submit it too soon. On the other hand, if you are able to fix immediately their criticisms, then it's a go. They do ask why is it named such and such. They also ask why was this or that section spun off or not spun off. It is certainly enlightening to me to read their comments. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. The pictures are very important psychologically in the ultimate evaluation. The picture you have in the infobox, is there any way of getting a more striking picture of the same relevance? Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] you are on top of it

You seem to have progressed in sophistication over the last months regarding all of this. I realize from reading your user page that you are a very smart person (not that I didn't see that before). I will check the pages you suggested. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 03:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] tasks

I looked at the Hoysala Empire suggestions given in the review. I could review the article and remove the unnessary words they recommend. Or is there something else I could do? Thanks! Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 15:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vishnuvardhana article

Especially for the purposes of your feature article, do you think that the King infobox should come before the temple photo on the Vishnuvardhana page? My first impression when I clicked the link was, "Oh no! This is another one of those pages where you think its going to be about a person but it is about a place instead." Just a thought. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 17:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry -- cannot concentrate to work right now

I'm too upset about what is going on about me. I'm very sorry. I have to think about whether to drop my account. Get a new one and start over. Or just not participate in Wikipedia. I'm sorry. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 19:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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