Talk:Dinghy sailing
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I would like to add a class, could somebody tell me how? I would like to add a link to the types box and create the class page similar to the layout of the laser class. Thanks in advance. --Superspost 15:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I think the stuff which has gathered here about dinghy raacing is getting to the quantity thatwe perhaps should think about a separate aarticle called Dinghy Racing.We coould move the material from here if relevant to that new page, and give it some tidying up and a general intro. Also would need a link back to this page obviously. Anyone have any strong views on this?
TonyClarke 14:01, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I agree that a separate section for dinghy racing would be a good idea. Indeed, there is a significant difference between recreational dinghy sailing and competitive (or even not so competitive) racing. On a side note, I assume you sail/race Tony? What class(es)? k-links 9:53 AM, 22 Mar 2004
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HI k-links, yes I sail, family life permitting. I have a very old Lark, great design, good fun, and I have sailed a Buzz at our dinghy club, I do instruction for the club. I'm a latecomer to sailing, but have definitely caught the bug! Thanks for your comments, I'll try to work on this, what do you sail?
TonyClarke 14:58, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm mostly a Laser sailor myself, though I've played with Albacores and Laser IIs over the years. I'm really looking forward to getting myself into a 29er, when time and budget permits. Oh, and about the Dinghy Racing redirect, I think you can just go to Dinghy Racing, and when redirected to the Dinghy Sailing page, click the Dinghy Racing link at the top of the page where it says "redirected from". You should be able to edit the page from there.
K-links 15:46, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I feel like this article could be linked to sloop or sail plan, or some of the other existing sailing pages, but I'm not expert enough to know the proper relationship in sailing terms. Also, is there some terminology discrepency between UK and US; I never hear people talking about dinghy sailing in California; to us a dinghy is a rowboat. But maybe it's because I'm not that hardcore a sailor. --Chinasaur
- One term often used in the US for a small bermuda rigged sailboat is a catboat. And, in terms of linking, yeah I just meant it would be nice to try to connect this article more with the other stuff already collected in the category. I was surprised to discover this article because I thought I had a handle on most of the recreational sailing articles on the WP. I think the Atlantic Divide is part of the split in the groups of editors. --Chinasaur 02:16, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean by linked, proably some links in the text to those other topics would be beneficial. I did a fair bit of work to try to collect the sailing articles into one category, if you find any more please categorise! Re terminology, I wasn't aware of the discrepancy, but definitely it is a separate area of sailing common to Europe and America, and widely known as Dinghy sailing in Europe. Perhaps an insert in the article somewhere to mention the US name, if anyone knows more?
TonyClarke 12:49, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I'm wondering whether the "Planing and trapezing" section might include a brief blurb about continuous trapeze systems. I've used them quite a bit, because they are in common use in the Flying Dutchman class.
However, my google searches have indicated that they're unique to this class - the only hits I see are either about the FD, or prohibiting continuous trapeze systems in the bylaws of other dinghy classes. (Well, and one article on a 505 site including them in a list of things that sound neat but don't work very well.)
Is the system worth a comment? Should it go here, or in the (currently nonexistent) Flying Dutchman (dinghy) page? Or on the Trapeze page, which isn't linked to from here?
Infinoid 18:56, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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The definitions at the head of the article mention centreboard and rudder. Uffa Fox's Flying Fifteen, mentioned later, has fixed keel and rudder. Is this inconsistency important? Greg Barrington
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I've moved the above comment here to the foot of the page, which is how new entries are usually made. Also, people usually sign off by entering the symbol '~' three times, which usually prints their user name (if they have registered and logged on), and the time and date of the entry.
In answer, I suppose it is consistent with the definition, since the definition only says that these are used, not that they are movable.(but surely the rudder is always movable?)
However, in most dinghies they are movable, and the FF is getting towards being a keelbaot rather than a dinghy. There are shades of grey here, it is interesting that in America and most other countries I think, the word 'dinghy ' is not used, so that the term 'small boat sailing' would cover both FFs and e.g. Lasers.
TonyClarke 15:50, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] quest for speed, sailing faster than wind speed
This doesn't seem to make any sense. A sailboat can sail faster than the windspeed has nothing to do with aparent wind. Apparent wind is the wind the skipper feels while moving in a sailboat. The hull speed is a function of the forces acting on the sail, which include the the Bernulli (spelling) principal and the mass of the diverted air.
Superspost 15:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
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Hi! I took the liberty of signing your post for you...
While you're right that apparent wind is not absolutely necessary for going faster than the wind, it sure helps, in my experience. More wind is more wind, no matter whether it's apparent or not. When the sails have extra (apparent) wind, this allows you to sheet the sails in more, or point lower, if you're trying to run downwind. In light-air sailing (I usually sail on Lake Tahoe, which rarely has heavy winds), it is my opinion that apparent wind is absolutely crucial.
Also, once a land-sailor has accelerated, they can sail a beam-reach with the sail brought in close-hauled, because the apparent wind is 3 times the actual wind speed. It's an incredible experience. Without apparent wind, I don't think they would go nearly so fast.
Infinoid 22:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Important Essentials"
Ok, I'm seeing a minor dispute between User:Ctu2485 and User:00studet, over the phrase "these are the five essentials of dinghy sailing." One will add the word "important" before "essentials", the other will revert it. There are currently 5 entries in the page history over this.
I would like to suggest "important points", as a compromise. I will go ahead and make this edit; if it is not to your satisfaction, please discuss it here. Infinoid 15:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
