Talk:Digg

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[edit] YADD

Has anyone ever even seen someone say "YADD" on digg before? I sure haven't.--Tobey 06:03, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I added the move suggestion. I'm not familiar with digg; I found the YADD article via Wikipedia:Bad links, cleaned it up and suggested the move because it didn't seem to justify its own article. If it's not a notable part of digg, I'll go ahead and suggest YADD for deletion.--Muchness 06:19, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I agree. Lurker 12:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Actually, I don't see anything in YADD worth keeping. Rather than merging, I'm going to add it to AfD. I will add the issue of dupes to the Criticisms section of this article, but I can't see anything in YADD worth moving over here. Lurker 12:11, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I have never heard the term and I spend a lot of time on Digg. I think someone just wants this term to catch on so they posted to Wiki. I could be wrong though. I don't think it should have its own article though. I suggest YADD be deleted. (Raymondangel 05:46, 22 December 2005 (UTC))
  • I'm in the top 5 on Digg, (snipehack) and have never seen that term used before. I think YADD should be deleted all together.
  • I've never heard anyone use YADD before ... I've seen "dupe" and "duplicate" in many comments.
  • Since it looks like the YADD article is goign to be deleted, should the merging notice be removed, or do we have to wait until YADD is deleted? Lurker 12:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
There's no use in keeping it up for a VfD-ed article. I went ahead and removed the tag. --crumb 17:44, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Two spellings of Mr. Udy

I noticed in the history section there are two different spellings of this name; Jerimiah and Jeremiah Udy. Which one is correct?

"Jeremiah", is the correct spelling. --Tobey 21:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Note

This article was restored after a successful Vote for undeletion (available here). For a previous discussion, see Talk:Digg/Deletion. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User Branding

I created a WikiTalk:Babel for digg, for use on all your user pages!

digg This user is a Digg contributor

Enjoy, if you make this look more diggish let me know! --larsinio 15:25, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

This user is a contributor to Digg

Kev585

I have also created a category called "Digg users". On your user pages, add yourself to this category

To see the Archive of old discussion: Talk:Digg/archive

New version at {{User Digg}}! Here's what it looks like: --DCrazy talk/contrib 05:26, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

digg This user is a contributor to Digg.
I was just thinking about doing this but including the Digg logo in the little picture box. Does anyone know if it would be a copyrighten image for when I upload it?
I've just finished my digg userbox...all you have to do is change your username in the one URL. Enjoy! :: ehmjay 21:31, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I cannot appear to be able to get it to work. I'm new to this whole thing. Its in my sandbox right now so once I've mastered everything I'll bring it over. :: ehmjay 21:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Correct capitalization of Digg/digg?

At the beginning of the article a "technical limitations" tag on the article's title was put in place by user Flydpnkrtn. Assuming this is correct, why do I still see digg with a capitalized "D" all around the article? Is "digg" really "Digg?" --crumb 03:51, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

No, the site calls itself "digg". The article should be changed for consistency. Rhobite 04:49, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
I removed the warning about the technical limitations regarding "Digg" vs "digg." The lowercase d in digg in the logo is clearly stylistic in nature only. "Digg" is actually correct seeing that it's a proper noun. I'm also changing the instances of "digg" to "Digg." Kevin Rose and the designer also refer to the site as "Digg" on their blogs. If you have any disagreements please post them here, or on my talk page. --Hoovernj 19:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
In the http://digg.com/faq (Digg FAQ), they never capitalize "digg" except at the beginning of the sentence. That's what I based my statement on. However on the main page there is a box labeled "What's Digg?" suggesting that the word is capitalized. In the absence of an official statement or a consistent style, I'd say we should capitalize the word. Rhobite 19:25, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
I just emailed feedback@digg.com asking about the correct capitalization. maybe we'll find something out. Goodolclint 05:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Page is under vandalism or something...sections being removed without any sort of explanation, i'm trying to save the page at the moment. EDIT: Now the entire article is gone, no history to work from either...what is going on??? Psykus 03:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Remember our naming conventions, especially regarding trademarks: Lowercased trademarks with no internal capitals should always be capitalized In other words, if officially it is digg, we explain that with the {{lowercase}} template, but through the article we use Digg. Finally, remember that sending an email to a company is considered original research, and the statements given in their reply are not binding. -- ReyBrujo 17:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
The orginal Digg article was removed for various reasons. I won't discuss why the orginal was removed, but this new article in my opinion was worse than the orginal. Guardian653 06:02, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
The original Digg article was removed because, at the time, Digg was not considered a noteworthy site. It appears (from what I read in the vud and other sections) that the website is now considered noteworthy. I don't believe the deleition had to do with the quality of the article. --Jmccorm 21:57, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of this article (again)

Contents of section moved to Talk:Digg/Deletion.

[edit] Criticism: Technology site or not?

I came across this in the change log... "Psykus (Removed the bit about non-tech news...the site has categories for other nontech news)". I think this is debatable. It does have a "movies" and a "links" category, but that is as far as it goes. On the story submission page, Digg clearly asks, "Quality Technology Content: Is your story technology related?" I think this is the same argument that goes round and round with everybody. Is this a technology site, or can I share this funny flash game and also this video of a granny being yanked through the air by her dog? Jmccorm 04:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

sorry for removing the section without more of an explanation, but for one I felt that it wasn't written very well. You're right in saying it's debatable, there's no clear cut policy that says "you can only submit technology related news". it's quite confusing really, even for regular digg users. it claims to be a technology news website, but as you can see, it has categories built in for subjects not specifically technology related. deals (although the deals could be for technology), links (i don't think anyone really knows what this category is specifically for, it seems to be used mainly for the "funny flash game" and "video of granny" links you mentioned, and since not enough digg users object by reporting the stories, it seems to stick), music, design, and movies. the confusion stems from the fact that digg is completely user run and maintained as far as the story submission and reporting goes. hope i cleared this issue up a little bit. Psykus 04:33, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Update, from Kevin Rose on 07/14. http://digg.com/links/Digg_Censorship__(146_Diggs_and_57_Comments_in_6_hrs)_Removed_from_Homepage Scroll Down for Comment] (regarding stories being removed from the homepage) "Just to give you an idea of what's going on, digg is currently receiving right around 500 new story submissions per day. Of that, 10-15% are non-tech related stories. Thanks to user reports we are seeing a new story reported (and removed) every 10-15 mins.

Q: But my tech story was tech related!!?! A: Well, then there is a good chance it was a duplicate (from a previous post), or just considered SPAM (was it from a personal blog?)."

I'm reading from Kevin's statement that non-technology stories aren't welcome. --Jmccorm 04:43, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't know...Kevin said that despite the fact that digg was supposed to be tech-focused, he said that having all sorts of different things on digg was in his own words, "cool like that". --Bash 22:12, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Although the http://www.digg.com/faq ('About digg') part of the site is unchanged, Kevin has said on Diggnation and to aquantences that Technology is a jump of point. If it is in the Tech or "Geek" culture then it is relevent to digg. --Me, JHoldaway 03:17, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
This is absolutely true JHoldaway... if you completely disregard the "Sports", "Entertainment", and "Video" sections of the website :P 24.192.108.168 06:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

There are no citations in the criticism section - much of it appears to be unsourced POV. Has anyone actually accused bloggers of of plagiarizing Digg's links, for example? If not, this criticism should be removed. Plagiarism is a strong word. If there are no references added to the criticism section in a couple days, I'm going to remove it. Rhobite 06:05, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

THe user abuse section are things people are aware of...there was frontpage digg post about this, i forge tthe exact title im trying to find it..so hold off on removing anythign
Are you talking about http://digg.com/links/Help_Define_Classes_and_Patterns_of_abuse_in_Digg_ (this)? You appear to have posted that story yourself, as a "call for help" in editing this article. I think you should keep in mind Wikipedia:No original research. Rhobite 18:56, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
I agree...the "Criticisms" section seems to be in quite a mess. Just so you know, i'm not actually the person that wrote those paragraphs, but I renamed it to "Criticisms" since "Digg Problems" didn't really sound right. They probably do need to go, since they are essentially POV from Wikipedia editors. I'm afraid this article has seen an influx of anonymous editors, most likely from the Digg site itself, that don't clearly understand the rules and policies of Wikipedia. Psykus 20:52, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

I have added several of the main criticisms, along with the sources. Noclip 02:37, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User abuse section

I kind of get what the person is trying to say, but it is a very akward read. Anyone want to take a stab at rewriting those paragraphs?

    • I submitted the original...it was modified and the grammar became about 300% worse. I fixed the wording, spelling, and grammar. People should learn how to write. [[user:larsinio|larsinio] 0:45, 17 August 2005


Also, perhaps a paragraph about user comment moderation abuse? Effectively "silencing your critics" with the ability to rate any comment with any rating you want, allowing you to bury an unwanted comment below the default threshold? jmccorm 04:34, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Where are these numbers coming from?

I'm beginning to see somebody updating the article with a new member count almost everyday now. Could anybody tell me where these numbers are coming from and try to persuade me not to revert the article to an older edit? --crumb 16:31, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Found it myself. Thanks for the help... http://digg.com/topusers/page1232 --crumb 04:27, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Separation between Digg and Diggnation

I think we should remove the Diggnation section from this article and make it its own article. I don't believe Diggnation has any official affiliation with Digg.com, they just report the popular stoires. Before any changes are made, what are your opinions? --Cybersavior 10:20, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

A separate "Dignation" article was merged into this article, and that was entirely appropriate. "Dignation" is Digg's official podcast (hence the participation of Digg co-founder Kevin Rose). —Lifeisunfair 12:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
This issue is Diggnation is (c) Revision 3 where as Digg is a seperate company. Yes Digg's co-founder (kevin rose) is a presenter but the question is that enough distiction to seperate the articles. Personally I aggree with the previous comment, it's the official pod/vid-cast. Martin Porcheron 22:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kuro5hin

How does this compare to the voting on the submission queue at Kuro5hin?

The sites are similar in concept. But I think Digg has taken off for many reasons.
1. Kevin Rose is a celebrity in the tech world, giving the site a leg up on the rest from the start.
2. Digg is a perfect name for the site, kuro5hin is not a good name and its a bitch to type.
3. User Interface: People don't realize just how HUGE having a good user interface can be. The two sights are not similar in that regard.
4. Technology: Digg uses AJAX which makes for a better user interface.
5. Timing: I think the internet was due for a nice fresh news site to rival slashdot (although I dont think its a direct rival, but its takes some of my time away from slashdot so it sorta is)
But I will also say, I think digg's novelty will wear off. But I dont think its going to go anywhere (assuming it stays in the original owners hands) and will continue to be a very popular site. The sites owners will not let it slip and will change it if need be.--Hergio 00:13, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How Digg works - Slashdot?

From the article: roughly 25 or more within a certain time period, it is posted to Slashdot's front page, and: the story may only get reposted on Slashdot once.

I didn't think digg and Slashdot were related. MxAesir 06:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

That part seemed to be an insult on how Slashdot and Digg make a big echo chamber. Stuff that gets posted to Slashdot is later submitted on Digg by many users. It works the other way on occasion and rarely in the manner of some kind of feedback loop.

I don't think it's especially notable, because it seems to happen with a lot of technology news sites. --waffle iron 07:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

The site http://diggvsdot.com/ (link diggvsdot) keeps track of which site posts a story first and at the time of posting it is even Shinynew

You don't know how many times an article gets submitted to slashdot when a huge news event takes place. Thanks to the editors of slashdot, you don't see that. But on digg, you obviously are going to see that. Its the nature of the mechanism that digg is providing...on purpose. Its up to the users to filter that. --Hergio 00:22, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

How do you say it "works the other way on occassion"? Almost every "big" story (read: not a book review, question to readers, etc) I've read lately on slashdot has been on digg for hours with hundreds of diggs already. News breaks first on Digg before Slashdot's editors can get around to putting it on the homepage. Thats the beauty of Digg.--Hergio 00:22, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I think digg and slashdot are somewhat related. They compete, but not directly. They carry some of the same news stories, which is fine. ABC news and my local news stations both carry news, but aren't competing. But digg now takes some of my time when I am reading news on the internet. I still enjoy reading news on slashdot and I will continue to do so, but I spend less time there. Because I can get alot of news from Digg now.--Hergio 00:22, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Digg has more stories than Slashdot. Slashdot is more filtered (I know that I won't miss something big if I only read Slashdot, not Digg), and the comments are of higher quality. OTOH, Digg is great for its openess, and the interface is way better. --barrett9h 07:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Digg is really an Apple site

Digg is heavily biased toward Apple. The entire Digg article here is just really "spam" for a commercial website


You could also say its biased towards Linux and anything Anti-Microsoft. The digg article is what its supposed to be, background information for something current. Stop trolling and sign your comment. DeathscytheH64 04:31, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

It is only biased because the people on digg tend to digg more linux and apple stories its not the site it is the people. Miles32

Miles32 is completely correct. Most people who are heavily into technology (as in the current user base of Digg) have a strong tendency towards Linux and Apple, as well as OSS in general, as well as often being anti-Microsoft. Its just the nature of the site and the user base that this comes through. Do you actually have an issue with the article about Digg? Complaining about the users of the site isn't going to get you anywhere, so maybe you shold consider what you what changes you might realisitically want/get. (Ciaocibai 02:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC))

This may be true, but its the userbase of Digg that is biased, if you wish to help un-bias it, join digg, and start digging for pro-Microsoft and anti-Apple stories. People have this thing in their mind that they can't do anything. This is the same reason why so few people in America vote, but thats another gripe of mine. I am a hardcore Windows user, but I love macs, and the only thing keeping me off OSX is the mac hardware, I want both on my own, custom machine. I Digg for stories I believe should be promoted. That is the point of Digg. ~~-Ali (digg username - superAL1394)

[edit] Diggall.com

What is with people removing Diggall.com from the links section? Is it not related to Digg? -24.19.161.152 08:52, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

It's just a subsection of Digg, so we link to it indirectly already. The diggall.com domain seems to be meant as a convenience for Digg users, and is not valuable for Wikipedia readers wanting more information about Digg. Haakon 09:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be like a "helpful link"? It's valuable for Wikipedia readers who want to get to the diggall section (an obviously important section of digg) -24.19.161.152 05:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
It's the same as going to the main site and clicking 'digg for stories'. Looking at unpromoted stories is primarily useful for registered users. The shortcut would otherwise confuse casual readers. --waffle iron 05:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Diggall.com is not related to digg. The URL is Digg.com/diggall however the above does apply, it is only a sub-section of digg. --Me, JHoldaway 12:57, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticisms in a separate article?

The criticisms section can potentially include a lot of material. Perhaps it should be moved to its own article, Criticisms of digg. Noclip 01:52, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Criticisms section should remain, but it needs to be countered by a section that includes praises. Or each issue in the cirticisms section needs to have the other side presented as well to remain netural. If this is to be a NPOV article any issue needs to be presented from both sides. This article is lacking in information about the good things that Digg has and the good impacts on society and the internet. A recent link to a burried by OPs story was added to support the fact that ops can remove stories in a totally user controlled envrionment. I say that any envrionement needs to be policed in some way, they remove spam stories and nobody says that is a criticism. --Mattarata 16:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticisms of the titles of "Criticisms"

Ok, just gone and changed the capitilisation of a number of the titles in the Criticisms section but i recon that some of the titles are too long/complex. For example i have changed Breeding ground for libel--------->Potential Libel Issues

I feel that most of the others could do with changing but cant think of any good ones to replace them with right now, any sugestions Someguyonearth 23:35, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Demographics of users

A poll was posted on Digg a while ago asking Digg users' age, occupation, etc. (Not surprisingly, most were young, male teenagers) If someone can find this I'd like to use it as a basis for a Demographics section. Noclip 18:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additional Criticisms

I'm fairly new to Digg; am used to Slashdot. I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned in the criticisms section anything about the effectiveness of substantive quality of this sort of organic moderation. A lot of stories strike me as overly-sensational, shallow, missing the point, or containing inaccuracies (I think I submitted bad reports for about half the front page stories that I saw in the first day, and then I grew tired of doing that). Slashdot often has the same problems, with stories that have misleading titles or synopses that draw a lot of "RTFA" in the comments, but this problem is so much worse on Digg. A lot of the comments also strike me as lacking in true understanding of the issue, and the quality of collection moderation is only as good as the intelligence of said collective; I guess I know now what it would be like if the people who post comments on /. were given moderation powers. Anyway, I have a desire to Wikipedia-ify this criticism and to add it, but I first want to see how many people share this or if I'm just the lone outcast. --Code65536 20:55, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


I agree with you, but how do you objectively state what you are saying? As I see it, you mean something along the lines of: "the democratic system of digg allows all users to contribute and moderate equally, which often leads to incorrect(?) or bad quality articles or comments going inadequately moderated for long periods of time."

You can't really say that the typical digg user is not intelligent because it is subjective and possibly untrue. But I agree that unintelligent people often have free reign on digg - the stories that get dugg to the front page are usually unprofessional, immature, or just plain wrong.

Digg is great because you can go through all the articles that have been submitted (there are a large number), and find interesting stuff you would never find anywhere else. It's a great starting point to look for interesting and very fresh news. A little known part of digg is "digg cloud" http://digg.com/diggall/cloud/. I am amazed there is no mention of it in the article because it is a very convinient way to look through a large number of submissions. 70.93.249.46 08:50, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I rewrote the criticism section. A lot of the old stuff either didn't make sense or sounded like trolling (no offense to anyone who thought otherwise). I modeled it after the bullet-point style on the Slashdot article. I think this is cleaner and simpler. Also, I added the tag cloud and Digg spy to the features section. --Vector4F 03:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


I liked your changes, but it looks like they were reverted right away. Perhaps you should re-add them or integrate them back into the article. I agree the crit section right now is a bit weak, which I think is a POV from digg users who don't like to think that the front page stories may be of poor quality sometimes. Rm999 15:18, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Objectivity?

This article reads like ad copy. - Noclip 00:08, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the recent article history, I see justifications for changes like:
Cleaned up page. Most problems mentioned under “Criticisms” will be fixed in the upcomming digg version 3.0, so they were removed
The problem with this justification should be obvious. Another example, this time a diff between edits I made and a revert, found here [1]. Again, the problem should be obvious just by reading the two versions and the justification for the revert. --Vector4F 14:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV concerns

I'm concerned that this article has taken a turn for the worse recently. Much of the "criticism" section is unsourced, it seems to be the opinion of whoever happened to edit this article. Phrases like "Sensationalism is prevalent on Digg" are not encyclopedic. Same for "any story submitted with a description applauding Digg, Firefox or Apple is quickly promoted to the front page", scare quotes in "Many "news" posted on Digg", claiming Digg users committed "illegal acts" in the PriceRitePhoto dispute, etc. The firefoxmyths/comcast thing is based on the personal experience of User:Digg - it is original research, and it's inappropriate for this article. Please don't add it again.

Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Verifiability, and Wikipedia:No original research before editing this article. Rhobite 05:03, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

You are right, that is pretty bad. Even though I agree with many of them I do not see that they are verifiable in the sense that we are looking for. I was tempted to remove almost all of that section, but I will leave it for a few more days to see if sources can be found. kotepho 21:01, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


I say we just delete the entire section. It's caused nothing but problems, and I don't see why we need it. --Tobey 05:49, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
It's a good section, We should keep it. The Psycho 09:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't think removal is the answer, but we do need to find sources for these criticisms, and remove the ones which are not cited. Rhobite 02:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure we need sources for them. It would be great if we had some even if they aren't WP:RS, but I believe most of them fall under acceptable original research. kotepho 02:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
NPOV, not fanboy POV. We need the section because Digg is not perfect and because Wikipedia is not a banner ad. Noclip 12:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV Straw poll

Is the current article neutral?

  • Yes, it has been cleaned up
Digg 17:32, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
  • No, More cleanup required


  • Yes, This article is just Too Damn Neutral.
SlashDot 04:06, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


There are still a tone of citeneeded tags in the criticism section. Rhobite 17:36, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Polls are evil

  • and what is an ambushed url already? Kotepho 05:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Like a url that says "Click Here To Download Free Games", but the url actully points to Last Measure. SlashDot 07:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
  • That is what I figured but I have never heard of this phrase before http://www.google.com/search?q=%22ambushed+url%22+OR+%22url+ambushing%22 (and apparently no one else uses it.) Kotepho 08:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

If you ask me this poll is bunk and both User:Digg and User:SlashDot are the same person.

[edit] Criticism

Why are the more legitimate, cited, and important criticisms getting deleted while POV nonsense gets left? The site's users are a mob. The section used to say that in an NPOV way, including several sources. Their users keep coming in and reading that there are some problems with their community, and rather than stopping to think they remove it or sabotage it (removing sources, leading to removal). Or they slap the 15th neutrality dispute this month on the section. "Blasphemy!" they chant, "we are perfect! Digg is perfect!" They must not realize that in doing it they're proving the very material they're deleting right. Noclip 16:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a courtroom. It is not this article's place to say whether it's illegal to repeatedly request a website. I've changed that paragraph back to its old wording. Rhobite 22:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big Pruning

I removed (actually commented out) a LOT of the Criticisms section. Yes it was unilateral. But the ones that are still there are, IMO, inarguably valid criticisms. The rest are unreferenced, unfounded, or original research. They're still there, hiding, waiting to be individually validated. --DCrazy talk/contrib 05:16, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

One of them (the last one) is completely unfounded and since the current arguments raging on Digg is clearly another attack at the integrity of the website, I have since warned the user via their talk page of political or personal opinions. Martin Porcheron 22:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Remove all comments from within article and move them to talk

There is so much crap comented out of the Criticisms section the actual content is hard to read to do edits. You dont see any of this on the slashdot article. Aren't many of the criticisms the same for both sites anyway? You don't see a revert way going on over on that page and just as many items are as unsourced as on this artcle. --Mattarata 20:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

feel free to add criticisms to Slashdot article. NigariaKingo 02:15, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Don't add stuff that's too POV. Add a section called Criticisms that explains common complaints about /.--otherwise the article will end up like this one. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 04:56, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trolling

I just saw a criticism of Digg saying it was a frequent target of spam. Actually, that's quite true (luckily users call them out on it and report the links quickly), but what disturbs me is the example screenshot that was provided. In no way did it reinforce the accusation. The GNAA does not spam; they're a troll group. Only once have I even seen a Last Measure link, and it was fairly obvious that it was fake (it ended in "nimp.org"). Trolling is not nearly as prevelant on Digg as it is on Slashdot.

I find the accusation that the GNAA trolls Digg a biased statement meant to promote Slashdot's "superiority". As in typical pro-Slashdot arguments, it's an overexaggerated claim smuggled onto the Web under the thin veil of truth. It's one thing to criticize Digg, but it's another to throw wild accusations around. The fact that Slashdot even went so far as to publish a story outlining Digg's shortcomings merely reinforces the extreme bias that the Slashdot reporters have against other news web sites. Ironically, many comments on Slashdot's web site showing examples of moderator and editor abuse – well-written, calm arguments deserving of a +5 – were flagged as "-1 Troll".

Hopefully someone on Slashdot will read this so they can finally stop deluding themselves into thinking they're unbiased. But then again, they'll probably try to mod this comment down. When they find out that they're not on Slashdot, they'll attack Wikipedia by accusing ibiblio of accepting grants (or "bribes" as they call it) from Microsoft, insulting the HTML on the page ("THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT STANDARDS COMPLIANT. SUCH FAILURES TO CONFORM TO STANDARDS COULD VERY WELL CAUSE THE END OF ALL HUMANITY AS WE KNOW IT. WHY DO ALL OUR POLITICAL MOVEMENTS FAIL?! IT'S A CONSPIRACY!"), and making some lame joke related to The Simpsons, Star Wars, or that live-action Cowboy Bebop ripoff made by FOX (to save your sanity, I'm not including an example). --150.216.5.71 17:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Chill out. No, seriously. Kotepho 18:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

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I sumbited a spam story to Digg once, the story url points to Last Measure but i hid it using TinyURL. It took the Digg staff an hour to remove it. And no, i'm not a slashdot fan. NigariaKingo 23:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Gee, Hopefully no digg user will make the mistake of over exxagerating slashdot's errors.

[edit] List of Digg clones

Why is it not a good idea to link to http://shii.org/tech/digg page with comprehensive list of a digg clones (in External links section)? I did it put the edit was reverted one minute later. --lauri 14:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's an article about Digg not about its clones. If any of the clones are notable enough they will have their own article or you can create it. --Thorpe | talk 15:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but in Wikipedia there are a lot of articles with name like "List of ... clones" (for example: List of Sinclair QL clones, List of ZX Spectrum clones, etc). So the question is: if I create an article with title "List of Digg clones" (which could have the same content as the referred page has and a link to http://shii.org/tech/digg (this page)) then is it alloved (on main Digg article) to add a link to this new Wikipedia page? (Btw, I thought that it is a pretty common conception here to reference to "List of..." things. In fact I like it very much when I find such a list on some subject in which I'm currently interested. Humans have associative memory and it broadens the understanding of subject if you can easily find content related to main info. But its just my opinion.) --lauri 03:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit]

Today There were several stories, one with 2000 diggs that had a link to Stephen Colbert's video from the bush event... and it was buried... many other stories were buried too. 67.34.33.185 23:51, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Heres a screenshot to proove the point: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=137823232&size=o

That's the very nature of digg. People report stories to remove them. Many, like me, would report such a thing knowing Colbert isn't even funny. Not to mention after one story about Colbert was posted all others not providing new information and duplicates.

[edit] Sweet Lord

Just a note to those who are obsessed with digg and think it's a hotbed of conspiracies (particularly anti-Stephen Colbert conspiracies...) - please, for the love of god, get interested in something worthwhile. Don't like digg, spend your time on another website and let the people who enjoy it enjoy it. Also, stop trying to destroy this article. Please.

[edit] Revert War Brewing

The criticism section was ballooning up to a point where it was bigger than the rest of the article. It also went over the same points multiple times and lacked citations for the majority of it's claims. It's been consolidated into four paragraphs that address the major concerns and provides the necessary sources - just because it's not as long or as scathing as you'd like it to be does not warrant a revert. Does this really have to be brought to Wikipedia moderators? --72.224.153.104 04:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Your edit removes too much properly sourced information. Dynomites 05:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Digg articles are not proper sources, because anybody can submit one anytime. If a digg article gained enough notariety, find a proper source that reports on it and cite that. If my edit removed something you feel is extremely vital, by all means give it a shot. But the version you are reverting to is out of control, with every other paragraph boasting a 'citation needed' notice. Please be rational here. --72.224.153.104 05:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Both of your versions lack citations. To label criticisms as criticisms, you really need to have a source that criticizes -- and right now (as before), only the criticism from Forever Geek is cited. Without sources that criticize, any editor can delete as much of the section as he or she wants per WP:V and WP:OR. bcasterline t 11:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Point taken. I've now mixed the two versions of 'Criticisms' - removing the small paragraphs that were insignificant and lacked citations, but merging their basic points with more relevent paragraphs. Also, tons of sources have been added, and I think the section now accurately reflects the problems people have with Digg that have been sufficiently documented by credible sources. Eh? --relaxathon 19:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Good work. The section could still use a source that criticizes the "mob mentality" rather than merely documenting it -- but, still, best version yet. bcasterline t 20:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I added back the part about intervention by admins on stories. I don't why you removed this 72.224.153.104, but nice try. You need a good reason to remove something like that because there was so much proof that it was happening, and is an entirely legit criticism. The cited criticism from forever geek is enough to keep it in IMO. Rm999 09:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Diggmobb??

Perhaps there should be a "Terminology" section including words or phrases that were created and adopted by Digg users. Terms for the section could include Diggmobb, Digg Effect, Dugg to death etc... --Mattarata 23:27, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Definitely. No way that deserves it's own article until a diggmob does something horrible and it's made famous on CNN and Fox. --72.224.153.104 14:49, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Honestly, I've never even heard of a diggmob, and I read and post on Digg. That said, what about today's incident on http://www.specialham.com where the digg users deliberately DDOSed the site because it was tied to spammers?--ZachPruckowski 23:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. 24.188.203.181 20:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lowercase "digg"

Isn't the official title actually "digg"? I've never seen it spelled "Digg" in any of the official pages on the site except where "Digg" is the first word in the sentence. --Tim 19:21, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree, but see the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Digg#Correct_capitalization_of_Digg.2Fdigg.3F Rm999 22:59, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Perhaps a little slanted?

The majority of this article seems to deal with the problems of digg. Perhaps a review is in order and perhaps even a warning to it's lack of objectivity.

I wouldn't call it a majority - a quick word check shows ~560 words devoted to criticism, and 1057 to the rest of the article. As a regular user of the site, I think this ratio seems about right. An article can criticize something and still remain objective. In fact, hiding this criticism or trying to change the proportion of it artifically would be non-objective. Rm999 20:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Criticism" Redundancy

Here is the first passage in question:

Even though Digg is depicted as a user-driven website with non-hierarchical editorial control, there have been recent complaints of intervention by editors to promote certain stories, bypassing the choice of users. The same editors are accused of hiding these facts by censoring stories which mention them and by banning users who have posted them. Slashdot article. Kevin Rose responded by blaming the promotion on users rather than staff. Forevergeek.com responded by pointing out that Kevin Rose dugg the same exact stories in the same exact order as the users, and that he was therefore complicit in the promotion. A statistical analysis of the diggs showed that an average of 7-8 of the users digg each others stories within the first 24 diggs per story that made the front page, and Kevin Rose dugg 28% of these stories within the first 24 diggs. Later Kevin Rose appeared on TWiT 51 and claimed that he was the 17th digger on the stories in question by pure chance.

Two bullet points down, and this:

Conversely, others chide the site for possibly being too moderated. An expose by tech blog Forever Geek [12] uncovered what it felt was obvious intervention by editors to promote or bury certain stories, bypassing the choice of users. [13] It also implicated founder Kevin Rose as participating in an automated process to mass-digg certain articles, some of which were submitted by eventual spammers.[14] The accusations were addressed extensively by Rose in an appearance on This Week in Tech. [15]. On that podcast, as well as on the official Digg blog, he stated that the charges stemmed from a coincidence (two stories that Rose was found to have been the 17th person to "digg" [16]), and that the whole snafu arose after ForeverGeek users were banned for artificially inflating the digg counts of their stories.


Why the redundancy? This problem spans a significant portion of the article, and I felt it should be brought to the community's attention prior to changes being made.

There is a Wikipedia editor who feels very strongly about this article - assuming the best about them, they were so worked up that they thought the info was missing and reinstated this earlier rendition of the fiasco. I've deleted their mistake, hopefully it doesn't pop up again... --72.224.150.233 03:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't say I was worked up - I didn't see the other criticism. Regardless, i think the other version of the events makes more sense and was better researched. Why does the current one start with "Conversely, others chide the site for possibly being too moderated." This has nothing to do with what happened. Rm999 01:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mistaken Criticism?

The comment that:

"It is apparent that users will often digg a story based solely on the headline or interest of the topic, and in some cases without even reading the article. For example, a recent submission regarding the Pirate Bay raid, with full text of the article in Swedish."

might be true but the example about the Pirate Bay article does not involve this. Digg is made up of an international community and the language the article was written in does not relate to digging a story based on the title. Also a user by the name of fjoggen gave a translation of the article in the comments so that users could read it.

There have been no incidents where users digg stories based on the title alone. It was usually because the article contained inaccurate information,which has already been addressed in the criticisms.

I agree that it is a bad criticism. Jdario

[edit] Digg V3 is coming

Digg has gone down in anticipation of digg v3 within the past 10 minutes. Watch out for it. This article will likely be needing updating afterward. -- Masamunecyrus(talk)(contribs) 12:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is very exciting! --Thorpe | talk 12:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Yup, I'm gonna sort out all the new screenshots. *Frantically clicks refresh* --LorianTC 12:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
The site must be getting "dugg" itself right now. Can't get on it. My Google module of Digg worked fine though. --Thorpe | talk 13:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, it was kinda working a minute ago, but it seems to be dead already... --LorianTC 13:20, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I suppose a lot of Digg users know about this update and are coming onto the site. The new categories I saw in the screenshot such as Videos. These new ones will come in handy. --Thorpe | talk 13:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, so much of the stuff on digg is not tech related now. The new site looks better too. If only we could use it...
I can get on it now (still slow) - take a look at the people who work there. http://digg.com/about -Thorpe | talk 13:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I messed up a bit there with the GMT time thing. Should have done it better.(195.82.104.122 13:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC))
Hey, that's a pretty cool pic. --LorianTC 13:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Site Feature expansion

The list for site features is very incomplete and I plan to make a major edit and I got the stucture for it done. I have a user subpage for this since it's going to very major edit and I would like some feedback/help before I contiue--Scott3 23:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't seem to be getting any feedback so I'll just add it in for now.--Scott3 02:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Valid Link

don't remove think link http://digg.com/linux_unix/Richard_Stallman_supports_voluntary_pedophilia (Richard Stallman Supports 'Voluntary Pedophilia') Progressivenazism 10:33, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Why not? It is totally random. --LorianTC 11:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Because it's a "Valid Link", of course! Why else? Oh wait, it has nothing to do with the article, and is just an obvious ad hominem squeezed into where it doesn't belong. Damn, if only it wasn't a Valid Link. Capi 01:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
It's an obvious criticism of Digg. Progressivenazism 05:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Care to explain how before putting it back? --LorianTC 09:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Screen Shot

I think we should change the screen shot to one that isn't using an ad blocker, to show Digg how it looks to most users. I too block ads on the site, but it seems like an unfair representation of the site if it isn't displayed in its default state for the article. - seinman 03:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll get on that right now. Ihatecrayons 08:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I made a new screenshot and put it in the article. Doesn't seem to look as good as the other one though. Tell me what you guys think, and change it back if you like. Ihatecrayons 08:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation Needed?

"A separate category titled Digg News was reserved for special announcements relating to the site, and could only be used by Digg administrators.[citation needed]"

This category was used prominently in Digg 1.0 and for part of Digg 2.0 for Digg related announcements. If a citation is needed, someone could link to a page on the Way Back Machine or similar showing a page on Digg where this is used. Since then, they've just used the official Digg blog for announcments, so it's fallen out of use.

I checked digg.com couldn't find a category about digg news and I never heard of it so I put the {{fact}} in.---Scott3 Talk Contributions Count: 950+ 00:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I looked back through the old site using Archive.org, but discovered that you can still view the category if you go to the right URL, http://digg.com/digg_news . Like I mentioned above though, it's not really used anymore, but there's a link citing that it was used at one point.

[edit] "digg army"

It got rederict to here because it can be coverd here but this article doesn't have any info on it. So I'll put it in. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Digg_army&oldid=36664734 ---Scott3 Talk Contributions Count: 950+ 01:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

It is neither notable, nor verifiable, therefore it doesn't belong here. --LorianTC 10:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Firefox Myths

Users and specific URLs, such as FireFoxMyths, can be blacklisted based on user complaints or site administrator's request

It is not necessary to put an example. Forevergeek.com was also blocked, and I believe it is much more important than FireFoxMyths, yet it is not being named in the article. If you want to add the FireFoxMyths bit, find a source to backup your claim. None of the external links supplied at the end of the paragraph state FireFoxMyths links are banned. -- ReyBrujo 01:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] See Also Section

There are a few too many links to other articles in this section. More than half of them basically amount to spam for less popular websites. I propose that the following be cut:Newscloud, Shoutwire, Reddit, Care2, Newsvine, Kuro5hin, Pligg, Internet vigilantism. --Mattarata 03:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

That sounds fine enough. Maybe replacing most of them with List of social networking websites, in example? -- ReyBrujo 03:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
done--Mattarata 18:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I also suggest removing Blog (Digg is not a blog system, it is mainly a news system), Revision3 (they produce Diggnation, thus it is fine to have them in the See also section of Diggnation, but not needed here), and Web 2.0. (the article does not talk about Web 2.0 at all). -- ReyBrujo 19:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree on removing Blog. I 50% agree on removing Revision3, except that Rev3 pretty much only exists because of the success of Digg much like Diggnation would not exist, at least in the current form, without Digg. I would be against removing Web 2.0. Yes it is not referenced in the article, though I think it needs to be because many journalists are referring to it when citing examples of Web 2.0 sites zdnet, cnet, forbesmsnbc and those are just articles in the last 2 weeks or so. Digg has many characteristics of a Web 2.0 site and is referenced on Web 2.0 --Mattarata 22:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Digg Labs

You guys should mention some info on the labs and it's content. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MetalDuck (talk • contribs) .


[edit] Is Digg A Social Networking Site?

I think Digg is a social networking site because of the community of users and the way in which they interact with each other and with the site. Users mod each other up and down, collect diggs for stories they submit, are ranked according to quality/number of stories they submit or digg. Digg is not just a social bookmarking site. I think the intro paragraph needs to mention the socail networking aspect of the site, then it can be added to the list of social networking sites. --Mattarata 16:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I disagree. I think that social networking sites focus much more on interpersonal relationships than Digg does. Yes there is user interaction in moderating and commenting, but for the most part, I doubt that anyone uses Digg to find people with their same intrests and interact with them directly. -seinman 18:53, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Definitely not social networking, IMO. Social networking incorporates personal profiles which are customizable to a high degree, and some method of navigating through friend lists. Digg's profiles are no more profound than that of any forum (no real editable areas other than avatar -- the rest of the info is automated), and the "friends" feature is separate, and serves only the individual, by showing them which stories their friends have dugg. There is no method of private messaging on Digg, nor is there a way making connections through mutual friends. I am going to go ahead and remove the List of social networking websites from the "See also" on the Digg article again, citing this talk page discussion. Digg does not qualify to be listed there, so I don't see why it should be linked from here. --Czj 08:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I disagree, I belive Digg is a social bookmarking website (not really networking as such). Digg defines itself as "a user driven social content website". Digg.com/about Martin Porcheron 09:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Remember, we need to use reliable third party sources. Digg.com/about is a primary party, and should not be used in this article. If we find a CNN article (in example) where they state Digg is a social networking site, then we can add that information here. By the way, I unlinked the digg.com link here to prevent it from appearing in the Special:Linksearch page. -- ReyBrujo 03:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] digg ignores my votes

when i log into digg, rate comment as good or bad, and refresh, their is no change in that comments dugg count. i do this on popular stories and on stories which have had maybe 2-3 diggs. either way, my vote is ignored. ne1 else have this problem? ne1 else have their vote ignored by digg?

social bookmarking my ass if votes dont count 72.36.251.234 19:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

a) This sounds like a problem with your browser, Digg uses javascript/cookies etc. Try a different browser.
happen in all my browser. javascript/cookies fine. i think digg conspiracy - digg try 2 silence me. 72.36.251.234 19:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
b) This is a discussion for the Digg __article__. Not a problem on Digg - if you have a problem with Digg, contact them. Martin Porcheron 19:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] blogs are not good references?

"blogs are not good references" wuz the reason given for revertin my addition of [2]. yet blogs r cited all over the place in this article. thomashawk.com, radar.oreilly.com, seomoz.com, sitepoint.com, forevergeek.com, and zippitydoodahonline.com r all blogs. they also mentioned in Digg#References. so why do those count and mine dont? 72.36.251.234 19:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I support and agree with ReyBrujo's reversion and as far as I am aware, blogs, unless published by estasblished and relilable news sources are not accepted. Please take a look at WP:V for more information of sources. Martin Porcheron 22:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
See here: Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published books, personal websites, and blogs are largely not acceptable as sources. There are proved exceptions when a blog can be used, but this is not one. Also, if I understand your link correctly, it is a blog with 4 entries, right? -- ReyBrujo 22:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
according to [3], theres a very good reason why people dont read stuff they digg: they use diggs as bookmarks, bookmarking things they would like to read later. 207.44.156.80 03:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thats like someone saying that a movie they havent seen is good as a way to remember to watch that movie. its stupid. if you think a certain Digger submits good content dont digg it - subscribe to an rss feed of their story submissions 72.36.251.234 17:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
why is [4] banned? editor says it not factual, reputable source as if the other sources are. unlike other link, this meets WP:Verifiability. do editors get to pick and chose which rules they follow? if yes why is Mattaratas selective application of rules better then wut he suggests are mine??? 72.36.251.234 19:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, therefore your remark about editors isn't true, because everyone is an editor. On the actual point, Jason Calacanis is a well-known critic of Digg, mainly because he helped set up a competitor. Any opinions expressed by him are POV because is the creater of a competing product. Martin Porcheron need help? just ask! 17:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
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