Talk:Dhabiĥa

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My contributions to this article, for the most part, are now incorporated into it. Please help improve it if possibleStarwarp2k2 05:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] why are there three articles describing muslim food

why cant we club halal and dhabiha and all into one article to describe muslim eating practices. why three different articles. nids 18:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

My opinion: Because halal is anything permissible as per Islam, and dhabiha is the process of slaughtering animals as per Islamic tradition. I don't think these two articles should be merged. Also, for a parallel, look at the the conceptually equivalent Jewish "Kashrut" and "Shechita". And what is the third article?Starwarp2k2 21:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

third one is the Islamic dietary laws. nids 21:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the Islamic Dietary Laws page is rather unnecessary. Any information it has which Halal/Dhabiha pages don't have should be moved to the appropriate page, and I think in the end it should be deleted.Starwarp2k2 01:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What is the "Mechanical slaughtering" section trying to say?

To me, this section is highly confusing and ambiguous. What is the importance of this section? Is it saying that the mechanical process is better, since it absolves the blame of the slaughterer? Or is it forbidden according to Islam?

The whole section is poorly structured and therefore loses its meaning. I would correct it myself, but I am unsure what the importance of the section is and do not understand the laws of Islam. I'm tempted to delete it outright to be blunt. 130.88.186.123 13:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not a strong argument

I agree with the above poster's comment on the abiguity (and poor sentence structure) of the section. Also, I do not see how the involvement of motors and electricity removes the intent of the butcher in the process of slaughtering the animal.

The given argument is similar to a man shooting another man. It's like saying that since the man pulls the trigger, which causes the hammer to strike the bullet, which in turns ignites the gunpowder in the bullet, which finally causes an explosion that propels the bullet out of the chamber, it is evident that the shooter is not directly linked with killing the other man.

I can understand an argument that the use of a machine perhaps decreases the personal effort the butcher may place in slaughtering the animal, but unless you can prove that the machine chooses to hunt down a cow, place it within itself, and automatically slaughters the cow, it's evident that a person is directly linked to the slaughter.

The first line of the paragraph states that the slaughter must be performed directly as a result of the butcher's physical strength. I assume that what the whole paragraph is trying to say is that in mechanical slaughter, the butcher is not using his physical strength to do the killing. Hence, mechanical slaughter is not acceptable.--220.255.237.241 23:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)