Talk:Development of Windows Vista
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[edit] Known fake builds
Is there really a need for the known fake builds section? — Alex (T|C|E) 21:44, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think so. 70.104.16.14 18:08, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] release candidate 1?
Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but is there a release date for Release Candidate 1? I heard sometime in July, but I'm not sure. Maybe this could be added to the article. 70.104.16.14 18:08, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
- To the person who put the RC1 date on the article or to any other interested person: please cite your supposed date of availability of Release Candidate 1 for Windows Client Code-Name "Longhorn". Thank you so much. --Cumbiagermen 08:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pre-RC1 or Post-Beta 2?
I'm running a copy of build 5456 right now and nowhere does it mention that it's a pre-RC1 build. It's still considered a Beta 2 build, and since the official public beta is 5384 wouldn't it make sense that 5456 is a Post-Beta 2 build? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.184.31.122 (talk • contribs) .
- I've seen a couple of MS employees state that 5456 is part of the RC1 branch, not the Beta 2 branch, which was closed at Beta 2's release. There's not really enough information out there to reliably go one way or the other, though. Warrens 20:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm an official tester so let me explain a bit. The preliminary release schedule for Windows Vista is that there are two betas follows with release candidate (RC) builds. Decision would be made in the development team to see which build/feature sets will be ready for the beta 2 build. Development still continues even the build has been decided, so the code will fork (or branch) for beta 2 release. When build 538x is in escrow for beta 2 release, the build number for the main tree is bumped up to 54xx and being considered as a post-beta 2 and pre-RC1 builds. The build number is just cosmetic so the beta 2 label persists even it is pre-RC1.Xavier Fung 20:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- According to at least one Microsoft guy on the Windows community Neowin, the build series 5400 was started for the RC1 branch, so at least all 54xx builds can probably be considered part of the RC1 branch, and possibly more too if RC1 isn't out before 5500, which seems unlikely. (and then I also think it's more appropriate to call those pre-RC1 rather than post-beta 2, as the latter lacks information of what branch they're part of) Btw, a similar build "jump" seem to have happened with the 52xx builds because I doubt MS did almost 100 builds in 1 month (see 5112 -> 5219). So Microsoft do seem to make "jumps" in build numbers if necessary to indicate new target releases this way. Similarly, build 5000 and onwards were to indicate the major diversion from the old "Longhorn" vision and the new Windows 2003-based kernel. -- Northgrove 22:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Speech Recognition
Does anyone else feel the story of Vista's speech recognition failing is not relevent to the Development of Windows Vista? If anywhere, I feel this excerpt should go under the Speech Recognition section of Features new to Windows Vista. JamesWeb 15:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Say wha? Can you explain exactly how a failed demo caused by a bug that's been fixed belongs in a list of new features, and not in an article covering the history of the software's development? -/- Warren 16:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Alright, fair point, perhaps not move it to new features, it just strikes me for a software development that's been plagued by problems, this particular one has been a bit over-hyped and gets its own paragraph where barely any problems have been spoken of here in any detail since the Vista name was announced. Just stands out like "Why have they put that in there?" JamesWeb 16:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vista 5700 a post-RC1 build?
How can we be sure about Vista 5700 being a post-RC1 build? It's from the WinMain lab, and we only have one source saying that the RC1 will be build 5536. — Alex (T|C|E) 19:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Since IE7 RC1 is build 5700, I'm going to put build 5700 into the pre-RC1 section. — Alex (T|C|E) 17:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- It seems strange they made the common "build jump" that use to mean a new branch having been made. An article linked to from this page also says: Jeff Alexander used build 5700 (5700.winmain.060810-1900) branched off from RC1. I believe it may be so that RC1 may not have had its final polish and release yet, while work has already begun on RC2. I'm also not sure IE 7 is a good judgement of what the corresponding branch would be for Vista. It may be that IE 7 simply was suitable as an RC1 here, despite in reality being the very first build of the RC2 branch. Unfortunately we have little official word on this, unless the quote I mentioned originated from the MS exec actually saying it happened. -- Northgrove 15:14, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 5536 not RC1
This information seems to be incorrect:
- Microsoft expects to release Windows Vista RC1 to the public on or after September 7, 2006[24] via the Customer Preview Program. There have been rumours that Microsoft planned RC1 to be Build 5520, but since discovered two major flaws and have now named Build 5536 as the RC1 build.
The 5536 build has now been released, and it's clearly marked as a Pre-RC1 build, even on the desktop wallpaper build string. -- Northgrove 12:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 5552 Leaking
Vista 5552 is quite definitely now leaking on to P2P networks, and is marked as "Pre-RC1." I tried to add the information about leaking, but it got deleted. Rhys42 19:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 5728 is attributed as "RC1" in windows download site.
Therefore, the builds 5700 and 5728 are in the same fork as in "RC1"
[edit] XP-based?
The pre-5000 LH builds are not XP-based, they're based on Windows Server 2003 RC1. This is evidenced by the serial keys they use, the fact that 4028 is marked as "Windows .NET Server", and by other factors.
[edit] Where's the new logo?
After scrolling through all the Vista articles (main, Features new to, Development of, etc.) I was suprised there is no pic of the Windows "orb". If there is a pic of the original Longhorn icon, there should be one of the new one. I suggest having it replace or put near the start of the "Mid-2005 to present: Windows Vista" section, or next to the build where it makes its 1st appearance as the new Start Menu button (sometime between Beta 1 and 2, I think.), or even next to the old Longhorn icon for a comparison. I would do this myself, but I'm not yet a Wikipedian.
- Takes all of half a second to become one, you know! Anyway, done and done. JamesWeb 12:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks JamesWeb. (The only thing keeping me is that I can't decide on a username:))
[edit] Vista RTM date is delayed?
Why the release date of RTM pushed to late November? --210.14.16.102 10:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Probably because they want to sell it when it's done, not when their deadline is up. After all, the bugs that are on there now, will still be in freshly set up Vista systems in five years, so they are probably paying very close attention to detail. Patience. :–) — Mütze 11:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Longhorn build 4074 screenshot
Hey! Why does the Longhorn build 4074 screenshot use the slate theme from Longhorn build 4051? I'd like the REAL jade theme in build 4074 screenshot from this URL:
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/4074_ui_07.gif
–210.213.86.121 09:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- I noticed that too, but can't change it. Here's another good pic! Oh, and this screenshot (or one of the others in that large gallery) should be used for Build 4051 so there's a pic for Milestone 6 like in most of the other sections. And if you dig deep enough, you'll find pics for Build 3646 (M1) and 3663 (M2) too! :)--67.167.93.51 01:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Yeah, I can't change it too. Because you're a anonyomous user and you can't upload the image. Also, in Longhorn build 4051 screenshot, that is NOT actual size. The text is very small. This one is the actual size screenshot of Longhorn build 4051, it is a PNG image for high-quality. Why do not to create your account in Wikipedia? --210.5.85.163 11:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Or these other actual-sized screenshots like:
- Hardware and Devices
- Activate Windows (no Sidebar & changed wallapaper)
- Contacts
- Start Menu (it's from build 4053, and there's a watermark titled "Courtesy of Neowin.net")
- Internet Explorer 6
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- Or these other actual-sized screenshots like:
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[edit] Countdown sign(s)
Is there any change someone can snap a picture of the count down sign or future signs on the redmond campus? 68.33.187.203 03:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vista SP1?,etc.
I disagree, Warrens, that information regarding Service Pack 1 doesn't belong here. I agree that service packs would typically not belong here, as they are just a sort of roll-up of all the security updates and contain only a few other tweaks. Vista SP1, however, is unlike previous service packs, as it will update the kernel itself and add other major new features that were dropped in previous builds, such as PC-to-PC Sync. A kernel update seems to me that with it, the Vista development process will continue, and the details of that process would be in this article. It should also be noted in the article when features that were dropped in previous builds are added back onto the OS. I agree the paragraph should have had a source, and I was planning to add one soon. However, in the mean time, you can add one yourself, or mark the info as unreferenced with a [citation needed] or something. By the way, Akhristov, I preferred the larger screenshots, as I didn't have to click on each one to see details, and they added more color to the article. (although the new LH icon is nice:-)) I am considering reverting some of these edits, but I will wait and see if there is a counter-argument or other reply to this post first. Oh, and can someone PLEASE get a better Milestone 6 screenshot? (see above post- "Longhorn build 4074 screenshot") 67.167.93.51 02:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Please read WP:VERIFY. Any speculative or otherwise unverifiable information is subject to removal at any time at the discretion of any editor who cares about building a high-quality encyclopedia. That doesn't mean the most information -- that means the best information.
- By the way, Paul Thurrott is not an authoritative source of information about what's going to be in future releases of Windows. He's been wrong so many times that he just can't be trusted to get it right. And really, how much does it help the article to say that "Paul Thurrott thinks that Service Pack 1 will include features missing from RTM, including peer-to-peer file sharing, WinFS, and a pony?" Not very. If people want the latest gossip, they can go hunt down news web sites that follow every burp and belch. But that ain't us -- we have five years worth of history we can expand on without getting into speculation. When Microsoft announces something, either officially, or via an employee blog, then we can go ahead and assert an authoritative tone, and in the case, it probably belongs in Windows Vista, not here. Thanks. -/- Warren 02:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Paul Thurrott is not the only person I get my information from, and others (including MS execs) have had plenty of similar things to say about SP1. This article is just one example of that. In WP:VERIFY, you will see under "Burden of Evidence" (2nd paragraph) that perhaps the info could have been given a chance (although Jimmy W. has a point in the 3rd paragraph.) I suppose you are correct, however, that it is probably a bit early to discuss SP1 here in detail, as there aren't that many details about it at this point. When it comes time, however, to write about it in Wikipedia, I think it should at least get a mention in this article (i.e. "although network search was dropped in this build, it was re-added to Vista in SP1" or something.) By the way, I still think the new build screenshot thumbnails are too small...67.167.93.51 03:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Windows Vista Beta 1 screenshot
The screenshot of Windows Vista Beta 1 had been commented, because that screenshot is just only JPEG image and is not actual size. I've found the PNG screenshot images from Flexbeta, there's a lot of PNG images of Windows Vista, choose the desired screenshot and upload it. — 210.1.91.103 01:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm reverting your removal of this screenshot. The Beta 1 screenshot comes from Microsoft's web site, which is an official and reliable source of screenshots. The fact that it's JPEG is not a serious problem. Unless someone wants provide a self-created Vista Beta 1 screenshot. We can't just take screenshots from other web sites, either. -/- Warren 02:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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OK, the screenshot of Windows Vista Beta 1 is nominated at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. When that screenshot is now deleted, you may upload at Flexbeta yourself. --210.1.91.182 03:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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