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[edit] Ed Belfour

Belfour hasnt even signed yet with the Wings? Why did anyone add him to the roster? --68.248.15.198 03:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Belfour just signed with the Florida Panthers for one year so it looks like the Wings will have to stick with Legace. That is a better choice anyway. I think Manny is the best in the league. He has been consistent. Other goalies such as Giguere and Khabibulan have hot streaks that propell them into 15 minutes of fame but Legace is steady. O-TOWN'S AT 22:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] octopi

made seperate section to deal with the tradition of the octopus mascot. help wanted on the spelling of Al Sobatka's name, I'm pretty sure I got it wrong, though that is the correct origin of the "Al" nickname for the octopus.

thanks,

random hero 313


Sure didn't waste any time getting that 2002 championship on there, did you, Boleslav?  :-) -- Zoe

[edit] List of Detroit Red Wings players

I have started a List of Detroit Red Wings players. It would be a great help if when adding a player to the main Red Wings article, that you could also add it to the list. Thanks! Masterhatch 13 August 2005

Removed Pavel Datsyuk from list of current players.

[edit] Current Squad

moved to article ccwaters 01:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


i don't know much about the players but one of the players is listed as beiong from czechoslovakia... that country no longer exists he's either czech or slovak..

And where he was born was Czechoslovakia. This is a standard form of reference universally used in encyclopedias with biographical entries, and the NHL Media Guide routinely refers to players being born there and in the USSR. RGTraynor 19:07, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
NHL has Branislav Mezei listed as being born in Nitra, Slovakia. Encycolpedias with biographical entries generally only use no longer existing countries if the person died before the country broke up and add in 'currently known as X'. For entries that were still alive when the country broke up they'll generally use the new name for the country and add 'then known as X'.
Further, please see the WikiProject on Ice hockey at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey#Place_of_Birth_Questions_and_Issues to see that we ARE using birth locations at time of birth. scsgoal31 20:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not to be forgotten

Following current practice, I struck players otherwise listed in the main article. I also deleted Martin Lapointe; I can think of a couple dozen players from the eighty years of Red Wing history I'd sooner include than a third-liner who had a single good season in his career. RGTraynor 13:17, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hall of Famers

Following the Team Pages Format, HHOF members who don't follow the criteria of having played several impact seasons for the cited team that meaningfully contributed to their election were deleted: Boivin, Conacher and Harvey. In Bowman's case, he was elected before he was associated with Detroit. RGTraynor 19:52, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Howe or Yzerman?

Now here is a question, who had the better career as a Red Wing? Or to rephrase, who contributed the most to the Red Wings organization. Howe or Yzerman? Its an interesting problem in that they played in two entirely different eras, yet both were the heart and souls of the team for over 20 years. As Yzerman approaches Howe's career point mark (which he might or might not break), and retires and has his #19 retired by the Red Wings, we should be careful that statements saying that Yzerman or Howe was the greatest Red Wing of all-time seep into the article when that is not entirely clear, especially with the problems we've had with the Wayne Gretzky article recently with that kind of statement. But it is a curious question, Howe or Yzerman? Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 15:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Unequivocally Howe. Use the Bill James test in discussing each player -- was the player generally regarded as the best player in hockey during his career? Was he generally regarded as the best player in his position? Was he ever regarded as the best player at his position? Yzerman generally fails those tests. Howe overwhelmingly passes them. I wouldn't think there'd possibly be a question about it. RGTraynor 16:04, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but Yzerman did return the Red Wings to their glory days of the 40s and 50s. Plus other than Richard (who might have been better than Howe in the first half of his career, and then Hull after Richard declined), I don't think Howe had the burden of having to play in the same era as Lemieux and Gretzky... Now I agree, Howe was the greater player, but perhaps they are quite even in what they accomplished for the Red Wings organization. And plus, I'm sure if Yzerman had the supporting cast of HHOFers Abel, Lindsay and Delvecchio earlier in his career, he might have been considered higher. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 02:52, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Well ... if we're judging who made the greater contribution to the Red Wings, Howe spearheaded those glory days in the first place, and might well have been happy to have the likes of Lidstrom, Fedorov, Larionov and Co. on his side. Comes down to who is one's more favorite player, possibly, which is a bit too subjective and debatable for an article. RGTraynor 13:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh, no RGTraynor, I'm saying earlier in his career, the 80's and early 90's. Yzerman had Gerard Gallant, maybe Oates before his prime (but he was a second-line centre to Yzerman), Reed Larson perhaps. We aren't talking elite Hall-of-Fame players here (although in my opinion Larson should be in it, although that's a different topic entirely). If you'd like to continue this debate further we should probably move it to our talk pages and stop wasting space here. Feel free to drop a line on mine. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 03:59, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
YZERMAN DEFINITELY, HE HELPED BRING THE WINGS OUT OF THE PITS, EARNED THREE CUPS WITH THE HELP OF SHANNY WHO SADLY HAS DEPARTED FOR NEW YORK. PLUS, DON'T YOU REMEMBER THAT BONE CHILLING FACE SHOT HE TOOK VS. THE PREDS LAST PLAYOFFS. COME ON, YZERMAN--STEVIE Y CAN'T BE DENIED THE HONOR OF BEING THE BEST RED WING THERE EVER WAS. O-TOWN'S AT 22:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season-by-season record

As far as I can tell, this is the only team that doesn't have a season-by-season record. Are we that lazy? =) I could start working on it here and then have it transferred over to the article once completed. I'd need some help though..any volunteers? We could even start with a base such as the blackhawks, since the seasons and links and table would already be filled in, just have to change the records. scsgoal31 20:24, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

OK here I am 2 months later ready to get started on this. If you're bored, fill in some seasons, and move the hiding characters so that we know how far you have gotten. I've finished the cougars years (26-30). Next would be the three years as the Falcons, and then the Wings.

[1] Detroit Falcons

[2] Detroit Red Wings

Clicking on the Season year, and then on the following page clicking on the season year again will give you divisional standings.

I'm not currently worried about keeping track of playoff series outcomes in terms of games or who they lost to like they have on this Blackhawks template I'm using..so I just deleted all that for the years I've done and just put the outcome (Lost in Round 1/2/3/Finals or Won Stanley Cup)


Note: GP = Games played, W = Wins, L = Losses, T = Ties, OTL = Overtime Losses Pts = Points, GF = Goals for, GA = Goals against, PIM = Penalties in minutes

Season League GP W L T OTL Pts GF GA PIM Finish Playoffs
1926-27 NHL 44 12 28 4 -- 28 76 105 409 5th, American Out of Playoffs
1927-28 NHL 44 19 19 6 -- 44 88 79 395 4th, American Out of Playoffs
1928-29 NHL 44 19 16 9 -- 47 72 63 381 3rd, American Lost in Round 1
1929-30 NHL 44 14 12 6 -- 34 117 133 474 4th, American Out of Playoffs
1930-31 NHL 44 16 21 7 -- 39 102 105 429 4th, American Out of Playoffs
1931-32 NHL 48 18 20 10 -- 46 95 108 415 3rd, American Lost in Round 1
1932-33 NHL 48 25 15 8 -- 58 111 93 462 2nd, American Lost in Round 2
1933-34 NHL 48 24 14 10 -- 58 113 98 368 1st, American Lost in Finals
1934-35 NHL 48 19 22 7 -- 57 118 88 375 4th, American Out of Playoffs
1935-36 NHL 48 24 16 8 -- 56 124 103 384 1st, American Stanley Cup Champions
1936-37 NHL 48 25 14 9 -- 59 128 102 244 1st, American Stanley Cup Champions
1937-38 NHL 48 12 25 11 -- 35 99 133 258 4th, American Out of Playoffs
1938-39 NHL 48 18 24 6 -- 42 107 128 240 5th, NHL Lost in Round 2
1939-40 NHL 48 16 26 6 -- 38 90 126 250 5th, NHL Lost in Round 2
1940-41 NHL 48 21 16 11 -- 53 112 102 337 3rd, NHL Lost in Finals
1941-42 NHL 48 19 25 4 -- 42 140 147 440 5th, NHL Lost in Finals
1942-43 NHL 50 25 14 11 -- 61 169 124 371 1st, NHL Stanley Cup Champions
1943-44 NHL 50 26 18 6 -- 58 214 177 374 2nd, NHL Lost in Round 1
1944-45 NHL 50 31 14 5 -- 67 218 161 260 2nd, NHL Lost in Finals
1945-46 NHL 50 20 20 10 -- 50 146 159 298 4th, NHL Lost in Round 1
1946-47 NHL 60 22 27 11 -- 55 190 193 535 4th, NHL Lost in Round 1
1947-48 NHL 60 30 18 12 -- 72 187 148 593 2nd, NHL Lost in Finals
1948-49 NHL 60 34 19 7 -- 75 195 145 621 1st, NHL Lost in Finals
1949-50 NHL 70 37 19 14 -- 88 229 164 736 1st, NHL Stanley Cup Champions
1950-51 NHL 70 44 13 13 -- 101 236 139 566 1st, NHL Lost in Round 1
1951-52 NHL 70 44 14 12 -- 100 215 133 694 1st, NHL Stanley Cup Champions
1952-53 NHL 70 36 16 18 -- 90 222 133 645 1st, NHL Lost in Round 1
1953-54 NHL 70 37 19 14 -- 88 191 132 814 1st, NHL Stanley Cup Champions
1954-55 NHL 70 42 17 11 -- 95 204 134 827 1st, NHL Stanley Cup Champions
1955-56 NHL 70 30 24 16 -- 76 183 148 794 2nd, NHL Lost in Finals
1956-57 NHL 70 38 20 12 -- 88 198 157 656 1st, NHL Lost in Round 1
1957-58 NHL 70 29 29 12 -- 70 176 207 758 3rd, NHL Lost in Round 1
1958-59 NHL 70 25 37 8 -- 58 167 218 613 6th, NHL Out of Playoffs
1959-60 NHL 70 26 29 15 -- 67 186 197 538 4th, NHL Lost in Round 1
1960-61 NHL 70 25 29 16 -- 66 195 215 655 4th, NHL Lost in Finals
1961-62 NHL 70 23 33 14 -- 60 184 219 684 5th, NHL Out of Playoffs
1962-63 NHL 70 32 25 13 -- 77 200 194 964 4th, NHL Lost in Finals
1963-64 NHL 70 30 29 11 -- 71 191 204 771 4th, NHL Lost in Finals
1964-65 NHL 70 40 23 7 -- 87 224 175 1121 1st, NHL Lost in Round 1
1965-66 NHL 70 31 27 12 -- 74 221 194 804 4th, NHL Lost in Finals
1966-67 NHL 70 27 39 4 -- 58 212 241 5th, NHL Out of Playoffs
1967-68 NHL 74 27 35 12 -- 66 245 257 759 6th, East Out of Playoffs
1968-69 NHL 76 33 31 12 -- 78 239 221 885 5th, East Out of Playoffs
1969-70 NHL 76 40 21 15 -- 95 246 199 907 3rd, East Lost in Round 1
1970-71 NHL 78 22 45 11 -- 55 209 308 988 7th, East Out of Playoffs
1971-72 NHL 78 33 35 10 -- 76 261 262 850 5th, East Out of Playoffs
1972-73 NHL 78 37 29 12 -- 86 265 243 893 5th, East Out of Playoffs
1973-74 NHL 78 29 39 10 -- 68 255 319 917 6th, East Out of Playoffs
1974-75 NHL 80 23 45 12 -- 58 259 335 1078 4th, Norris Out of Playoffs
1975-76 NHL 80 26 44 10 -- 62 226 300 1922 4th, Norris Out of Playoffs
1976-77 NHL 80 16 55 9 -- 41 183 309 1332 5th, Norris Out of Playoffs
1977-78 NHL 80 32 34 14 -- 78 252 266 1534 2nd, Norris Lost in Round 2
1978-79 NHL 80 23 41 16 -- 62 252 295 1359 5th, Norris Out of Playoffs
1979-80 NHL 80 26 43 11 -- 63 268 306 1114 5th, Norris Out of Playoffs
1980-81 NHL 80 19 43 18 -- 56 252 339 1687 6th, Norris Out of Playoffs
1981-82 NHL 80 21 47 12 -- 54 270 351 1250 6th, Norris Out of Playoffs
1982-83 NHL 80 21 44 15 -- 57 263 344 1064 5th, Norris Out of Playoffs
1983-84 NHL 80 31 42 7 -- 69 298 323 1546 3rd, Norris Lost in Round 1
1984-85 NHL 80 27 41 12 -- 66 313 357 1741 3rd, Norris Lost in Round 1
1985-86 NHL 80 17 57 6 -- 40 266 415 2393 5th, Norris Out of Playoffs
1986-87 NHL 80 34 36 10 -- 78 260 274 2209 2nd, Norris Lost in Round 3
1987-88 NHL 80 41 28 11 -- 93 322 269 2391 1st, Norris Lost in Round 3
1988-89 NHL 80 34 34 12 -- 80 313 316 2245 1st, Norris Lost in Round 1
1989-90 NHL 80 28 38 14 -- 70 288 323 2140 5th, Norris Out of Playoffs
1990-91 NHL 80 34 38 8 -- 76 273 298 1940 3rd, Norris Lost in Round 1
1991-92 NHL 80 43 25 12 -- 98 320 256 2078 1st, Norris Lost in Round 2
1992-93 NHL 84 47 28 9 -- 103 369 280 1832 2nd, Norris Lost in Round 1
1993-94 NHL 84 46 30 8 -- 100 356 275 1775 1st, Central Lost in Round 1
1994-951 NHL 48 33 11 4 -- 70 180 117 932 1st, Central Lost in Finals
1995-96 NHL 82 62 13 7 -- 131 325 181 1551 1st, Central Lost in Round 3
1996-97 NHL 82 38 26 18 -- 94 253 197 1582 2nd, Central Stanley Cup Champions
1997-98 NHL 82 44 23 15 -- 103 250 196 1346 2nd, Central Stanley Cup Champions
1998-99 NHL 82 43 32 7 -- 93 245 202 1202 1st, Central Lost in Round 2
1999-00 NHL 82 48 22 10 2 108 278 210 1014 2nd, Central Lost in Round 2
2000-01 NHL 82 49 20 9 4 111 253 202 1082 1st, Central Lost in round 1
2001-02 NHL 82 51 17 10 4 116 251 187 1053 1st, Central Stanley Cup Champions
2002-03 NHL 82 48 20 10 4 110 269 203 1214 1st, Central Lost in Round 1
2003-04 NHL 82 48 21 11 2 109 255 189 966 1st, Central Lost in Round 2
2004-052 NHL -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2005-06 NHL 82 58 16 -- 8 124 305 209 1127 1st, Central Lost in Round 1
1 Season was shortened due to the 1994-95 NHL lockout.
2 Season was cancelled due to the 2004-05 NHL lockout.


scsgoal31 19:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current Squad

A few players are missing from this section (Where's Steve Yzerman?). Someone has edited out some Red Wings players, would someone restore these players, please? GoodDay 17:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

The players that are shown are currently the only Wings officialy under contract. The others are RFA or UFA. They are still there, just hidden. If and when any of them re-sign, they can easily be shown again.scsgoal31 15:09, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
However, they don't become RFA or UFA until July 1st, 2006. GoodDay 22:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current Squad II

The current squad is a list of players who have NHL contracts with the Wings...many of whom must either make the squad or be put on waivers to be sent down...surely being taken (in the case of Hudler, for example). Also have some players who may play end up in Grand Rapids in the end (Bootland, Kolanos, Hussey), but they are being given a chance at training camp to compete for a spot at the big club. Please don't assume the Detroit Red Wings official site is the all knowing version of the roster. Cross and Woolley have not and will not be offered new contracts. (scsgoal31 22:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC))

Also, RFA's who have been offered a contract but have not yet accepted have been hidden (Franzen and Williams). scsgoal31 22:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Will Hasek wear 39 this season? If he does Franzen will have to change numbers. He is still an RFA.--Tigersfan1992 22:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vladimir Konstantinov

I want to get a consensus before readding #16 from Vladimir Konstantinov back to the retired jerseys section after it was deleted from the list a couple days ago. It is indeed out of circulation on the Wings, as Brett Hull was required to choose another number when he came here. However, unlike #6 for Larry Aurie, I don't believe the organization has ever made an official statement on the non-use of the number. Do we think it belongs here? scsgoal31 00:51, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I am all for listing "unofficial" numbers when the citation is properly sourced from the organization. It just strikes me that these unofficial retirements (cf LeClair) are far more often wishful thinking than any actual intent on the organization's part. RGTraynor 06:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Captain

Is there any word on who might be a captain for the 2006-07 season?Ohyeh 20:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The Red Wings website and the Detroit media will know before we will. As of last week, the former wasn't talking and the latter was only speculating. Such things are almost never announced before well into training camp anyway. RGTraynor 00:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Will the Red Wings need a captian before the season starts?ohyeh

The only legal role of a captain in hockey is the privilege to approach the referee to discuss his calls during a game. Captains are (usually) locker room leaders as well, but "C"s aren't required in order to lead teams. The short answer is "no." RGTraynor 16:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I strongly disagree. A captain is indeed required. NHL Rule 14 (Captain of Team): " One Captain shall be appointed by each Team...(NOTE) Only when the captain is not in uniform, the Coach shall have the right to designate three Alternate Captains." -scsgoal31 22:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
You're strongly incorrect. Numerous teams elect, and have on many occasions in the past, not to choose a captain; "shall" does not equate to "must." Atlanta and the Panthers didn't have one in 2003, the Bruins went without one in 2002, Buffalo didn't in 2001, etc etc etc. In any event, since the legal powers of a captain don't pertain off the ice, Detroit still doesn't need to pick one in the preseason ... or at all, come to that. They may feel, as did the Rangers this last season with Messier's retirement, that doing so would be disrespectful to Yzerman. RGTraynor 00:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Added Lidstrom as Captain, Based on reports on WDIV and the Detroit Free Press. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Redwings1914 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 22 August, 2006 (UTC).
I reverted your edit. Information on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable. Feel free to add this information once a source can be provided. --Muéro 04:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A few comments

  • Why is there a heading titled "1949-80: "Longtimer" Gordie Howe"? Howe played for the Red Wings from 1946 to 1971, not 1949 to 1980.
  • Why is there a heading titled "1980-92: The Captain"? Yzerman played from 1983 to 2006, not 1980 to 1992. The headings seem to contradict themselves.
  • Also, there should be a separate section (maybe 1967 to 1983?) for the "Dead Wings" era. Considering how many times I've seen the term used, I think it should be in this article.
  • Why is there so much detail as to player transactions in recent years, especially non-key players like Mathieu Dandenault and Boyd Devereaux? It seems to me that people think that anything recent must be more important than older years. For an encyclopedia, how important is it that Boyd Devereaux left the team?
  • There seem to be a lot of run-on and otherwise awkward sentences. I will try to work on this, but I encourage others to help.

I apologize for this semi-ranting, but I really want this article to be better. I look forward to discussion on how to improve this article. --Muéro 02:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Mm, feel free to make whatever edits you think will improve the article. That being said, the reason why this article obsesses over recent player transactions and history is that most (if not all) of the team articles do. Worship of the last year or three is endemic in the hockey areas, as it probably is elsewhere on Wikipedia as well. For example, more detail has been given to the Oilers' and Islanders' respective 2006 seasons than to all of their Stanley Cup wins combined, which is positively perverse. RGTraynor 05:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red links

I'm trying to get rid of all the red links in the Wings article and was wondering if there are any other site except legendsofhockey.com and hockeydb.com that you guys know of that has good player info. I can find alot, but not everything I need as I'm mostly working on our first round draft picks and sometimes they don't have the best info. Thanks. And if anyone wants to help out with making all the red links blue, that would be great! --Schmackity 15:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Player?

My memory, sometimes eludes me. Where's Greg Johnson?, isn't he a member of the Red Wings this season? I know he's on injured reserve, but shouldn't he be listed on the 'current roster' section? GoodDay 23:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I removed him from the list because he's not on the DetroitRedWings.com roster. Babcock said something about Johnson not being in his plans for the season, because he never even practiced with the team. I'm pretty sure his contract isn't official because he did not pass his physical. --Muéro(talk/c) 00:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I see. GoodDay 17:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red Wings captains

I've added 'Rotating captains' to 'team captains' section. Also I've added in (where needed) 'co-captains'. If anyone, disagrees with these edits, then revert them; I won't complain. GoodDay 23:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I like the edits. Clears a few things up for "non-hockey" viewers. --Schmackity 16:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Though the Red Wings official website doesn't list him (therefore I can't add him). Does anyone remember Gerard Gallant serving as Red Wings (interim) captain? during later-half of the 1987-88 NHL season? While Yzerman was out with knee injury? GoodDay 17:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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