Talk:Desinicization
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The Sino-Vietnamese "Creole Chinese" has nothing to do with the existing definitions for "creole". Used liberally here, "creole" means "local born", or "nativized". either delink or add definition.-----Troll
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I guess the burden lies in proving there is such a thing as Chineseness and defining the meaning of sinicization and desinicization. I think a more proper term might be acculturation or cross culturation as cultures are living things that change over time and through contact with other cultures. Taiwan is a perfect example. Did the aborigines on Taiwan become sinicized? I don't think you could ever prove that as the immigrants from China became Taiwanicized which would void the sinicization. Or if being Chinese means being connected to the Chinese state and the current Chinese state experienced massive ideological and cultural upheaval in the 1950's through the 1990's, did Taiwan, if it was Chinese, befome desinicized? Id didn't take part in the great changes of China. Existence outside the Chinese state for any amount of time could be classified as desinicization. Can anyone flesh this out a bit to prove the term?
I don't think its necessary or even possible to "prove" an identity in the same that you state. Chineseness is a fuzzy concept with internal self-contradictions, uncertain boundaries, and inconsistent definitions, but the same is true for
- any* national identity. People and societies are messy and they don't fit into nice neat categories.
-- Roadrunner
That's my point. In order to sinicize or desinicize you need to define the meaning of sinicization. With Taiwan it gets really sticky to compare which China effected who. Qing China, Ming China Modern China, Nationalist China and then what makes it whatever form of "Chinese so dominant that it overpowers native culture. Check Dr. Melissa Brown on this
-- I removed the paragraph about Vietnam, since Vietnam was originally an independent nation before being invaded by China for 1000 years. If anything, the original Vietnamese language was Sinicized, not de-Sinicized. 128.195.100.62
I removed the paragraph about 'banana's". The term does not have anything to do with the process of removing Chinese culture. I also removed the Khun_Sa example, as it makes no sense in this context as why he would be an example of Desinicization. Wenzi 22:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
The statement about the "Chinese River" was not part of desinicization. The article is about a process. That fact would be better for the article on [Seoul] itself. Wenzi 10:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
