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Could someone have a look at Gamma Draconis please and take appropriate action. It was created by User:60.226.31.100, who created a few articles today by copying and pasting from other websites. The JPS 23:10, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Unattributed Quotes

Large portions of this entry, such as the racial descriptions, are copied directly from the in-game narration in FS2. Frankie

[edit] Wing Commander Prophecy

I love Freespace 1 & 2 to this day, but ya gotta admit, Freespace 1's story was almost a direct copy of Wing Commander Prophecy's.

Or of Babylon 5. Some days in the scifi scene you can't throw a brick without hitting an ancient dark enemy. --Kizor 21:50, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Not exactly unheard of to have the concept of a mysterious, powerful enemy uniting warring sides in mutual defense, is it? In any case, I'm not sure how this is relevant to the article.

Oh, come of it. Prophecy came out November 30, 1997, FS1 came out May 31, 1998. They didn't have time to copy Prophecy. Weebs 10:17, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] FS_Open screenshot

A better version could be inserted here. Current screenshot about the Perseus is pathetic. It makes FreeSpace Open look bad. A screenshot about the hi-poly Hercules with a hi-res planet in the background is gonna be better - 81.182.81.246 14:01, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Posted a topic on HLP - Weebs (Black Wolf on HLP)

[edit] The Shivan Manifesto Is Not Canon

Changed the Shivan entry to reflect this. Fan fiction and theorization should be marked as such. ~~ Jal-18 from HLP

[edit] Inferno

Someone put an edit in stating that Inferno was accepted as canon in the FS community. As far as I know this is not true, although someone did claim that on the Avault forums. --Shimei 23:51, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

If it's not [V], it's not canon. Simple as. - Ferret 17:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comments on chapter 'History'

[edit] Small Correction

Fixed the Shiva reference. He's not actually a god of creation, but of regeneration. - Nickoten

[edit] Another small correction needed

The games (both FS1 and FS2) are capitalized FreeSpace in the vast majority of Volition's literature, so the page should be capitalized in the same way.

Been there, done that. -- A. Exeunt 02:49, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] help

how do u cope with multiple dragon fighters? i just cant do it there too fast cant even hit them

plz give advice

GameFAQs Craig Sniffen 18:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] New screenshots to add please

I don't know how to upload screenshots but please add the following screenshots to the source code project section http://www.users.qwest.net/~fobarbrad/images/screen0076.png (this is a recreation of the retail box art) http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/120/untitled43wz.jpg http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8786/untitled513zk.jpg 12.226.237.65 15:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

In order to upload images and files, you will need a Wikipedia account. It's free, so no worries.
I have an account, i'm just not logged in 12.226.237.65 03:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

One more thing, you must provide source information, otherwise your uploads will be deleted. -- A. Exeunt 02:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

k - they're publically released screenshots so nobody really owns them

my pathetic and sad wikipedia layout skills totally failed to make the page work right with thumbnails... so if someone could nicely thumbnail those for me i'd appreciate it! Lordkazan 04:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC) Oh.. and now a farking automated script deleted the images, even though they were 100% fine with freaking copyright issues - fuck wikipedia. Would one of you who knows how to get wiki not to give you an UFIA please add these screenshots - this is bullshit Lordkazan 18:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Calm down and stay civil, please. :) The files were not deleted. --Kjoonlee 19:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
However, you do need to provide copyright info for files you upload, or they will be deleted. --Kjoonlee 19:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I did, they were marked screenshots, original takers (Who posted them on a public board for unlimited consumption) name's and a short description of what they showed. I went to view them and it gave me edit-page links and a bot had attached stuff to my talk page saying they were deleted. 12.226.237.65 20:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I see that you've put them in and arranged them nicely! Thanks! (now to look at how you did it :D) Lordkazan 20:49, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TGA to JPEG

somebody help me out when i take a sc its tga how do u make it jpeg or something common? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smoke Weed (talk • contribs).

Any decent raster graphics editor such as GIMP should be able to do that. Some image viewers such as IrfanView can also convert images. If you don't need an editor, go for a viewer or get a dedicated image converter.
BTW, WP:RD/C is the proper place for these sort of questions. :) --Kjoonlee 03:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Freespace 2 License Agreement

Piece of Trivia: It took us atleast 4 years to notice this. I guess Volition was doing an expiriement in how long it would take for someone to read the EULA Lordkazan 20:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

i like ur attitude Smoke Weed

[edit] My oops revert

It was just pointed out to me on my talk page that I reverted quite a lot of edits yesterday. Sorry about that, I was looking for when one oddity was put in, and forgot I was editing an out-of-date version, which I then saved, undoing tons of other things. Thought I should mention it here too. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 08:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] link removal

Why was the Freespace Zone external link removed? The company gave permission for the files to be distributed freely as long as no profit or commercial gain of any kind is made from them. I don't see any reason why the link should have been taken down. Please explain why this was done. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Manuelomar2001 (talk • contribs) .

When did that happen? As far as I know, the EULA allows distributions to "friends and acquaintances" only. I'm not acquainted with the owners of that site, for example. --Kjoonlee 23:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll quote the COPYING file of the FS2_Open project:
Volition Copyright (applies to original FreeSpace2 source code
developed and released by Volition):

"Copyright (C) Volition, Inc. 1999.  All rights reserved.

All source code herein is the property of Volition, Inc. You may not
sell or otherwise commercially exploit the source or things you
created based on the source."


Modifications by members of the FreeSpace Source Code Project are
released under whatever terms the individual authors choose, but the
above notice continues to apply to all fs2_open code.
The original data files are not open source, so I think mass distribution of the CDs (to people who aren't your friends or acquaintances) is a violation of the EULA. Open source Doom and Open source Quake are a bit like that too; it's illegal to distribute the data files of Quake. Just because it's allowed to copy the source files doesn't mean you can copy the data files to your non-friends and non-acquaintances. --Kjoonlee 23:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
It's even documented at Wikipedia, at Quake#Source code and legacy:
The source code of the Quake and QuakeWorld engines was licensed under the GPL in 1999. The id Software maps, objects, textures, sounds and other creative works remain under their original license. The shareware distribution of Quake is still freely redistributable and usable with the GPLed engine code. One must purchase a copy of Quake in order to get the registered version of the game which includes more single player episodes and the deathmatch maps.
--Kjoonlee 00:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
And of course, redefinition of "friend" or "acquaintance" would be OR. WP:NOR --Kjoonlee 11:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually it wouldn't be WP:NOR - since it is the de facto legal situation - however your revert comment is a violation of WP:CIVIL - do not imply that things which are NOT COMMON SENSE are such, it is an insult to the intelligence of the other editors involved in the situation. the DE FACTO legal situation is that "friend" or "acquaintance" is very broadly defined as the owners of the IP know full well about HOTU and the other links and have not interviened (infact look up about Copyright/Trademark abandonment law) Lordkazan 13:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I still say it goes against common sense. Where are your legal sources if you can cite them? --Kjoonlee 13:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
De facto is useless when it comes to legal matters. What matters is de jure. --Kjoonlee 13:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
If you would bother to read up on trademark abandonment you'd know that it is also de jure - my source is the ACTUAL HISTORY OF THE SITUATION, a history in which I have participated since the release of the game. Lordkazan 14:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Unsourced statements do not belong at Wikipedia. --Kjoonlee 14:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
It's not an unscourced statement, the goddamn EULA is the source. You are clearly not familiar with the legal situation, stop pretending that you are. I am INTIMIATELY familiar with the situation as I have written several of the biggest used 3rd party modding tools for the game and I am part of the Source Code Project. Potentially excluding any other SCP members/HLP staff who are wikipedia editors - I am undoubtably the most knowledgable person on this subject on wikipedia! Lordkazan 14:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I think you have to calm down and read WP:CIVIL. --Kjoonlee 14:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
And WP:NOR, WP:V, WP:REF. Do we have a peer-reviewd Wikipedia article on copyright that supports what you say? --Kjoonlee 14:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flail SCP video

Tech Demo video avi: http://files.filefront.com/Flail_SCP/;5077061;;/fileinfo.htm youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6VhyMzu12c

This would be nice to have added - it is dated 2006-05-24 on firefront. Lordkazan 18:57, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Release Date Source

http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/188670.html

[edit] Status of these games

Reading through the article and linked pages i find it's a bit ambiguous as to what versions are legal to download. Is any previously retail version fine to download? Are there special freeware versions? What about the expansion packs? DarkProdigy 05:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Just for your information, only FreeSpace 2, as far as I'm concerned, is freeware. Descent: FreeSpace, as well as Descent: FreeSpace - Silent Threat are still commercial products. -- Altiris Exeunt 01:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Correction: FS2 is freeware to friends and aquaintances only. --Kjoonlee 05:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Ah yes, thanks for the reminder. -- Altiris Exeunt 08:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. That's what I thought, but I got a little confused when I saw that some of the linked sites have the other games in the series available for download...DarkProdigy 21:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Then those are probably illegal. As far as IGN and other reliable sites like the Descent Network can tell you, only FreeSpace 2 is freeware to friends and acquaintances. -- Altiris Exeunt 05:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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