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[edit] Archive of Messages

[edit] Archived 13 March 2005

[edit] Welcome to the Wikipedia

I noticed you were new, and wanted to share some links I thought useful:

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Be bold!



(Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 21:46, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks! Demi 23:58, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)

[edit] Archived 22 April 2005

[edit] Good point!

That's a good point. Maybe there needs to be a way of including unstable parts of an article... - Ta bu shi da yu 04:00, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Adolf Hitler

Please voice your opinion of my and Tony Sidaway's recent changes to the article (to contribute to the consensus). -- BRIAN0918  01:02, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Accident at WP:FAC

There was an editing accident (probably MySQL error or cut-n-paste error) on Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates that resulting in the page contents being duplicated. A number of edits had occurred by the time it was noticed, but I tried to preserve everything while removing duplicate material. Just in case, mosey on over and check if your vote stuck. If you have any questions, respond on my talk page. Thanks!

-- Phyzome is Tim McCormack 20:52, 2005 Mar 29 (UTC)


[edit] Horizontal Rule

Hi there, Yes, I thought that it would be innovative to have a line indicating that the main article ended. I only added them to the articles created by me (260+) I didn't think it would create such a fuzz. I'm a team player so, off they go. End of issue. Are we still wikipedian Friends? I hope so. Tony the Marine

Demi, thanks for accepting my hand in Wiki friendship. Tony the Marine

[edit] Archived 20 May 2005

[edit] Thanks for your comments

By way of experiment (but also because I mean it) I'm personally thanking everyone who took the time to comment on Wikipedia:Countdown deletion. Without community input, the proposal is worthless, so thank you Image:WikiThanks.png for increasing its value! JRM 14:45, 2005 Apr 6 (UTC)

[edit] No problem

I had actually voted already in that particular IFD, but thanks anyway! You are doing a valuable job, and I am glad someone stepped up to counter the autofellatio deletionists. Be well. --Mrfixter 23:21, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You said: "Considering the support Image:Charlotterossnypdblue.jpg is getting--a picture which has no illustrative value at all, and appeals only to prurience--it's clear to me that homophobia is behind a great deal of these votes." Now that it turns out that it only got 5 votes to keep and was deleted, are you prepared to withdraw that personal attack? --Audiovideo 01:40, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • (Reply made to Audiovideo's talk page) At the time I made that comment the mix of votes for the image was different. However, in any case, I didn't intend it as a personal attack: a personal attack is just that--personal, and I wouldn't presume to know any individual's motivation for voting beyond what they write in the vote discussion. However, yes, I do believe homophobia is behind some of the votes to delete on the autofellatio image ("A great deal" may be overstating the case). If you in any way thought I was painting you with that brush, please accept my sincere apology. Demi T/C 01:52, 2005 Apr 9 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Autofellatio 2.jpg, relisted

I removed this listing from ifd, and some of your comments in the process (see User talk:TigerShark). I hope you don't mind, feel free to restore. --Duk 18:34, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

For my own reference as much as anyone else's, this refers to TigerShark's relisting and my response. Demi T/C 20:32, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

  • No Demi, I don't think that the comment you made is a fair reflection of what I said. I didn't say that I wanted to keep voting until I got my own way, I was making the point that the process is flawed *because* people can keep re-posting. I re-posted for what I thought was a valid reason. It is now clear that I did not have the full information on the Copyvio. Also, you shouldn't say that you want to assume good faith and then make a suggestion for why I may not be acting in good faith - that is just an underhand (although obvious) way of accusing me. TigerShark 21:07, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Also, you may wish to note, I tried to raise the Copyvio issue in the previous vote (admittedly towards the end) but got not response. So no, this was not a reaction by me to the "No Consensus" decision. TigerShark 22:27, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your signature

Please check your signature code: the SUP/SUB tags do not seem to be balanced correctly. Oddly this does not seem to register in most cases: I think the tidy sub-module in MediaWiki hides most of the most egregious problems. HTH HAND --Phil | Talk 16:35, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Replied on user's talk page:
Thanks a bunch for pointing out the error in my signature. I appreciate it! Demi T/C 17:16, 2005 Apr 12 (UTC)
Not a problem. The really odd thing is it showed up when I used the very useful LivePreview applet (which if I could remember where I got it I would point you at) but as I said the tidy mechanism seems to sweep it under the carpet when displaying live data...so it might have gone on for ages for all I can tell :-( Glad to be of service, anyway. --Phil | Talk 17:24, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Spoken Wikipedia

Hi, I've left a question about GFDL compliance with spoken Wikipedia. Do we have to append at the end of the audio a list of authors, the license or a link to an electronic version of such? Fuzheado | Talk 08:27, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Doh, sorry I thought you knew about it, since your name was on the list of participants. Here is the link: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spoken_Wikipedia. Fuzheado | Talk 09:02, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Caesar cipher recording

Hey, good stuff with the spoken version of Caesar cipher! I've been watching the "Spoken Wikipedia" project with interest, and it was a very pleasant surprise to have an article that I'd contributed to recorded. Cheers! — Matt Crypto 14:29, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Reply copied here:
I appreciate it. We've kind of just gotten started with the project, and I figured, hey, it's a lot easier to pronounce Caesar then Rijndael. Demi T/C 17:30, 2005 Apr 15 (UTC)

I, too, would like to thank you lots for making these recordings (Caesar cipher and Lithia Park). I found both recordings amazingly well made! Thank you for your participation! — Timwi 21:03, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Certain user-agents excluded

And no, libwww is not on the blacklist. If you decide to use the Perl bot (its name is mvs, and it does use libwww), and if you have any questions about it, let me know. Oleg Alexandrov 00:24, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • (Reply to user's talk page):

Thanks a lot for the offer of help--it looks like mvs is exactly what I need. FYI, mvs doesn't use "libwww-perl/..." for its User-agent: header; from line 140 of WWW::Mediawiki::Client:

140:    my $agent = 'WWW::Mediawiki::Client/' . $VERSION;

Cheers! Demi T/C 04:54, 2005 Apr 17 (UTC)


I think you are referring to the lines:
   $self->{ua} = LWP::UserAgent->new();
   my $agent = 'WWW::Mediawiki::Client/' . $VERSION;
so you are right, the User-agent is something else. I should have said, that it uses the libwww-perl library one way or another, which follows from the LWP::UserAgent->new(); thing above. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov 05:59, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Evolution

Demi, for some reason the spoken version of Evolution you've done is very good, but very soft. In Winamp it barely makes the meters tickle, and is about 1/2 the volume of your Lithia Park, and about 1/3 the volume of others'. Do you have the original that you can normalize or amplify? Thanks. Fuzheado | Talk 08:11, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes, thanks--it's easily done, actually. Any day now, when my upload finishes, an amplified version should be in place. Demi T/C 08:45, 2005 Apr 19 (UTC)

[edit] "crap phrasing"

Haha, I knew that you weren't referring to mine :) . I like your edit, as long as someone mentions that sourcing is critical in combating such inaccuracies. --kizzle 22:39, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fish

I didn't mean to delete your "lose the fish" comments, but I think I killed them in my edit conflict. Anyway - I restored them. If you intended to delete them, please re-remove them. Guettarda 23:29, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Archived 13 Oct 2005

[edit] Image:Death Penalty World Map.png

You said, you changed the color of "Peru", but in fact the color of Chile changed. Could you please be so kind and check your change again? Thank you Stern 19:38, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

(replied on Stern's talk page):

Oh dear, I switched them. I've corrected the error, and I really appreciate you pointing it out. Thanks! Demi T/C 23:36, 2005 May 3 (UTC)

Sorry again, but this time you uploaded the image in the englisch Wikipedia and not at Commons, where you uploaded it the last time, which would be better this time, too, since the image is used in several language versions of Wikipedia. Here it even could be deleted. Stern 00:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
(replied to Stern's talk page):

My goodness--we'll see if I can make any more mistakes on this map! Thanks for alerting me--I've uploaded the corrected version to commons and marked the en: version as a speedy-delete due to error. Demi T/C 00:39, 2005 May 4 (UTC)

[edit] Joseon Article

If no one else is going to do it, I'll be willing to write up a few sections for the Joseon Dynasty article. But, I'm not too familiar with formatting things properly, so it would probably need proofing----thevizier 18:35, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

(replied on thevizier's talk page)

Sure! The main thing is to get good information down and into the article. Grammar, spelling, wiki formatting, etc. are all easy to fix and I'm happy to do it. What I don't have is an understanding of Korean history to address the accuracy issues. Be bold, write what you can, and I'll copyedit as necessary. Demi T/C 21:27, 2005 May 7 (UTC)

[edit] "Ach! Das facken intro ist ein... nuisance intro!"

I'm just about to call it a day for Adolf Hitler; there seems to be no stable version we can move to that stays up for more than a few hours. We get a short intro, then people complain it's POV because it leaves out stuff, we add stuff, it gets too big, it's trimmed down, lather, rinse, repeat. I have no idea if our current wiki process allows us to move to something stable at all; there are a million intros you can think of and it's hard to call one better than the other, except by highly idiosyncratic means. It's been fun, but I'm probably going to leave the article alone for now. JRM · Talk 13:07, 2005 May 16 (UTC)

(reply made on JRM's talk page and copied here)

Understood about Adolf Hitler--I hope my conduct didn't contribute to your dissatisfaction. Demi T/C 17:44, 2005 May 16 (UTC)

[edit] Lethal injection

I don't want to get into the world's lamest revert war over this, but User:Andrevan has added a note to the page saying that the History Channel say the first execution by lethal injection happened in 1983. I've found many sources that say 1982, including the 1982 New York Times article on the execution, which I have put on Talk:Lethal injection. Would you be willing to edit the page to remove the note about the History Channel and their wrong date. Evil Monkey∴Hello 01:38, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

(replied on user's talk page and copied here)

In accordance with your excellent research on the subject (great job!) I corrected the article text. Demi T/C 05:44, 2005 May 19 (UTC)

[edit] Schools

Please join the discussion at Wikipedia:Schools - this is an effort to reach consensus (or at least, compromise) through discussion, rather than voting. And it seems to be succeeding. Radiant_* 14:20, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Military history of Puerto Rico

Hi, how are you? I submitted the above mentioned article to be considered for featured article status. I would be honored if you could take a look and express your opinon here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Military history of Puerto Rico, Thank you very much Tony the Marine

[edit] Friendly Chat

Hi, I just thought that I would let you know that Linuxbeak has nominated me for adminship. I would like to invite you to participate at WP:RFA if you wish to do so. Thank you and take care Tony the Marine

[edit] Image:Autofellatio_2_(rendered).jpg

Noting the message you have on your user page about this, I created the above image in a similar style to the one I did for Erection (Image:Flaccid_and_erect_human_penis_(rendered).jpg). If it's deemed acceptable by whoever does that deeming acceptable thing, then perhaps an image could be re-added inline to Autofellatio? Just an idea. --Veratien 03:25, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User Categorization

You were listed on the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Oregon page as living in or being associated with Oregon. As part of the Wikipedia:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Oregon for instructions. Rmky87 07:01, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] voyager library system

i think its rather odd that on a database with thousands of entries about inane minutae of fictional characters (for example, lord of the rings, video games, etc), you somehow feel that a software program used by millions of people every day to do academic research should be shaved up like a christmas ham and thrown into the bottom of some generic article.


[edit] Archived 11 Dec 2005

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for sorting out User:Giano/Sicilian Baroque, I spent hours looking at it, and could not see that - stupid! Hope you did not have to read all of the long boring page to find it!!!!. Thanks again. Regards Giano | talk 06:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Strap-on dildo NPOV?

You mentioned you didn't feel the article was NPOV... any specific part of it you'd suggest I fix? I tried to write it as neutrally as possible, and it contains discussion (all factual to my knowledge) of practices I'm not personally interested in, while (I hope) not containing any gender or sexuality discriminatory material. There may be a bit of undue weight in that lesbian and transexual activities are not as well documented, but this is only because I am less familiar with them, not a POV against them. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Bushytails 05:04, 26 October 2005 (UTC).

(copied to talk page)
  • Sure. The phrase "exteremely pleasurable" is repeated several times, in contexts like "Pegging is typically reported as extremely pleasurable..." with little support. The following sentence, "Many people, such as Dan Savage, believe all men should try pegging at least once..." with little evidence that anyone besides Dan Savage actually believes this. It's a piece of advocacy, and hardly a bad one, but it has many evaluations of frequency "typically advertised as..." etc. that make it sound like it's written more from experience than research. Statements like "The best practice is to try everything and see what's fun!" are clearly geared toward a how-to guide. Hope that helps! Demi T/C 22:15, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My edits to Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship

Demi, I removed the words that I did from Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship as part of a proposed agreement among Tony, Kelly, Nicholas and myself. I was doing so as a show of good faith effort to attempt to put this matter into the past. I understand you are not fully aware of all that is going on right now. I don't find fault for you interpreting my edit improperly because of that. I would ask that you please refrain from concluding some malicious intent on the part of myself in this dispute regarding the edits I have recently made to Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship, but assume I am operating in good faith to help resolve this dispute. Cordially, --Durin 20:11, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Archived 26 Jan 2006

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article witty worm, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] Mediation request - Ingrid Newkirk

Thanks for getting some conversation going. I have a bit of a problem with the way Slimvirgin edits the Animal liberation pages. When people make edits to any of the animal liberation page Slim always suggests that new refrences aren't good enough. Slim reverts all of the edits a user makes on the page regardless of whether some are good and some are not. Every time I point something out he is quick to disregard it. I find this behaviour repulsive as I feel like I am dealing with a child as opposed to a mod. I prefer not to adopt a user name, though many mods assume you are a troll when you do this. The last thing I need is another user ID/password. --129.173.105.28 04:02, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Not voting on your RfA

(cringing, knowing this will probably be misinterpreted by several) Demi, I'm not voting on your RfA. Your behavior with respect to me on IRC surrounding the recent dispute I had with KM, in particular a number of disparaging comments, leans me on a personal level to very strongly oppose your RfA on the grounds that a person acting like that on a public forum closely associated with Wikipedia shouldn't be an admin. Irrespective of that (knowing I was not going to vote), I did a short, casual review of your contributions to Wikipedia and found nothing glaringly wrong. Were I to vote, I'd ask about the ~4 month absence and why you think your RfA would fail (according to a comment you made on IRC) before making a vote. Your self nomination just a few days later is a marked turnaround. But, given your insults towards me in the recent dispute, I am not going to vote. My own standards, short of answers to those questions, lead me to weak oppose. Yet, if I vote oppose or even neutral I imagine I would be accused by you and others of all sorts of terrible things. So, I'm not voting. At 14-0 already, it's likely your RfA will pass. In advance; congratulations. I hope that in the future your civil manner portrayed in your posts on Wikipedia extends to IRC. --Durin 19:59, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

I have promoted you to adminship. Congradulations. Please familiarize yourself with the relavant policies before using those shiny new buttons. Raul654 05:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

A picture of Dick on your talk page
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A picture of Dick on your talk page

- A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New WikiProject

Concerning the Wikiproject we discussed yesterday, see the WikiProject on Article Verification. With a few more participants we can get it out of the draft stage. Interested? // Pathoschild 22:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

(copied to talk page)
I am, but I tend to participate in these things slowly. I'll look it over in the next few days. Thanks for the note! Demi T/C 16:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Unblocking Eclipse IP range

Thanks, I was blocked yesterday (even when logged in to my user name) and couldn't contact anyone! CheekyMonkey 19:08, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Article Fresno (Tolima)

That article needs to be deleted, it is complete nonsense and there is already an article for that town Fresno, Tolima, the best efforts in improving wikipedia would be improving that article, no merging is needed, there is nothing that needs to be in wikipedia in that article.--mexaguil 02:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

(copied to talk page)

Redirects are cheap--if any virtue has been wrung out of the article, go ahead and replace the contents with a redirect. Demi T/C 02:19, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Duh! And then I read the rest of your talk page. Thanks! Demi T/C 02:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Whoops!

Thanks for catching my error. Nandesuka 18:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects for deletion

Hi. I saw that you are active on WP:RfD which has a bit of a backlog. I'd like to help out (I'm also an admin), but I am a bit confused by the policy (it does seem an awful lot for just deleting redirects). Could you please answer to my questions at the bottom of the talk page? By the way, I very much like the first sentence of User:Demi/Admin guidelines (I've no time now to read the whole page; it's way beyond bedtime). Cheers, Jitse Niesen (talk) 02:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

(copied to talk page)
Yes, I'm a fairly green admin and noticed the backlog on RFD when looking at another matter. I thought I'd take my crack at clearing it. Your comments on each of the entries you left were clear and I decided to resolve them (explanations at the talk page). Thanks for your note! Demi T/C 07:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. I assumed that there is some admin who set WP:RfD up and is taking care of it, and I rather hoped that you were this admin. However, it seems that we should just try to make the best of it ourselves. Anyway, we can't do much harm as any editor can create redirects. Thanks for your help (I agree with everything you did) and we'll probably meet again on RfD. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 14:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Apples!

I, Redwolf24, hereby award you two apples.
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I, Redwolf24, hereby award you two apples.

Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 09:34, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Enterprise management redirect

Hi Demi, I really appreciate that you are putting time and effort into clearing the redirects for deletion. I'm pretty much new around here and I apologise in advance if I'm about to put my foot in it or if I'm telling you somthing you already know, or if I'm being too grumpy... "Enterprise management" is a relatively common term in IT (in my experience at any rte) and means "management of many computer systems enterprise-wide". It's almost (but not quite) synonymous with Network management or Systems management. To me, Management is not much better as a target than Learning organization was, and Systems management would be a more approriate target. I realise I could just change it to point that way, but I thought it might cause problems for those whose thinking tends towards the managerial - that's why I requested it to be deleted. Do you think it would be better to set up a disambiguation page? --LesleyW 10:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

(copied to talk page)
Please, by all means, edit the redirect so that it points to a better target; or make it a disambig page instead. I'm aware of its meaning as a sort-of-but-not-quite synonym for datacenter management or systems management; I just repointed it because Learning organization seemed a bit silly. I also considered that the term might have non-IT-related meanings in logistics, for example, but I don't really know. Cheers! Demi T/C 16:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the input. I think I'll make it a disambig page. Soon-ish but maybe not today. --LesleyW 00:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AOL block

Oops. Thanks for fixing the block time. >_> // Pathoschild 07:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Whoops! (Block of 66.30)

I'll revise the time. Thanks for pointing that out. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 00:44, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Maintained

In your delete rationale, you stated: However sugarcoated the words, it is a disinvitation to those not in the club to edit the article.

The template now includes the following statement:

Note that this does not connote any form of article ownership, and you do not need any approval to make changes to the article.

The current form may not be perfect, but it's a big improvement. Please consider at least switching to neutral, as the template's biggest opponents have. Thanks. — 0918BRIAN • 2005-12-19 00:15

[edit] Award!

I, PZFUN, hereby award you the L33t Translator's Award. Keep up the good work whenever my keyboard breaks. Again!
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I, PZFUN, hereby award you the L33t Translator's Award. Keep up the good work whenever my keyboard breaks. Again!

[edit] WP:TINMC

Hi, you're down as being an an active cabalist. Is that still true? There are plenty of cases awaiting mediator response, please drop by if you can! Dan100 (Talk) 11:00, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

(copied to talk page)
Thanks for working on the medcab. I have removed my name from the list of active mediators. Demi T/C 19:27, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WP:PWN

Thanks for the laugh *grin*. And here I was thinking that we were humorless cabalist bastards... Blackcap (talk) 01:35, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stubs and RFD

Demi:

Since you've lately been active in RFD, and have expressed a few opinions with respect to the SFD project having jurisdiciton over stub redirects, I thought you might be interested in the discussion currently taking place on Wikipedia talk:Redirects for deletion.

All the best.
Ξxtreme Unction|yakkity yak 15:29, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Archived 15 Jun 2006

[edit] Question

Hi Demi, My name is Jason. Your name just came up in a discussion. We were talking about Mark K. Bilbo and whether or not his entry should include a controversy section or simply a sentence about his offensive remarks to Christians on usenet. Bilbo is known for hosting the alt.atheism (alt-atheism.org) newsgroup web site. Now, I've provided 11 links from his usenet posts that show his offensive nature and someone used your name in conjunction with his opinion that those statements are inadmissible when it comes to Bilbo's entry. Is this really what you were intending or really what you said? Perhaps you can join us on the talk page. Thanks for your time. --Jason Gastrich 00:06, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Since the article is about me, I've been trying to stay out of this. But I'm finally getting tired of watching Gastrich and his ax grinding. Folks around here need to realize that Gastrich and I have a history outside Wikipedia beginning with one of his forays into alt.atheism to "minister" to the atheists. The climax probably being when he swiped a list of newsgroup regulars off the alt-atheism.org website and used it as a "prayer list" on his own site even after I'd blocked him from access to my website and without permission of the list owner/maintainer. What you may also not realize is that "Uncle Davey" is a friend of Gastrich and that's part of the reason for the Gastrich tirade over my (alleged) Usenet posts.

I did not ask for there to be an article about me here and I definitely do not want to see such a thing used as a platform for Gastrich's personal grudge against me. I would rather the article be deleted. Mark K. Bilbo 16:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration accepted

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/WebEx and Min Zhu has been accepted. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/WebEx and Min Zhu/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be placed at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/WebEx and Min Zhu/Workshop. Fred Bauder 01:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] noinclude tags

I saw on Jdavidb's talk page that the noinclude tags are thrown into the article wholesale when subst: is used - is that really correct? Is this something that can be fixed in MediaWiki (or hopefully has been)? -- nae'blis (talk) 22:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

(copied to talk page):
No, they don't. I'm not sure why I had the idea that <noinclude/> somehow disrupted subst: usage; maybe I saw one of those templates saying "This template isn't suitable for use with subst: and made a wrong assumption. Demi T/C 00:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Ahhh okay, thanks for the clarification! -- nae'blis (talk) 02:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Further information: You may not have been completely incorrect; either someone was misusing templates by copy-pasting them, or something, but I just removed about 7 "noinclude/Category:User warning templates" messages from anon talk pages. Huh. -- nae'blis (talk) 16:25, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A poem and a thanks for Demi

Roses are red
Violents are blue
All my bases
Are belong to you

Is it original? No. I stole the words from Bash.org, to which you introduced me. But it's heartbreaking in its pathos and its sincerity, as is the thanks I now offer for your support for my adminship. I promise to be as good an admin as I can, to never turn rouge , and should there be any way I can help you with anything, consider me at your beck and call! Thanky thanky, Babajobu 00:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:RFAR

You write: "The fact is that these privilege wars (and there are many other examples, edit wars over the interface pages come to mind) seem to be becoming more common, and everyone involved thinks a) they are absolutely in the right and b) some kind of emergency exists that prevents us from tolerating the suboptimal situation for even a moment longer."

I agree that this was true in the case of one deletion. I did indeed think that the page in question should be deleted as soon as possible. On the other stuff I was involved in, something else seemed to be happening. I was for the most part undeleting an article during an ongoing AfD, and allowing the article to remain deleted would have prevented people properly participating in the AfD. It seems to me that in both cases the overriding purpose of the other parties for engaging in warring was that they wished to impose their own concept of process (Geogre, who was involved in warring on Warren Benbow, has explicitly stated that undeletions, even of speedies, must be discussed first on VFU , though I don't know whether he still holds this to be the case). --Tony Sidaway|Talk 10:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Subpage

Were you aware of this page?

User talk:Demi/Wikipedia is not a reference to fictional worlds

I just came across it when checking "Special:Allpages" for subpages of my own user page. - dcljr (talk) 10:55, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

(copied from talk page)
I hadn't seen that page--thanks for pointing it out! I found another, too, when I went to look. Demi T/C 17:00, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UK Internet for Learning IP block

I have just stumbled on your research at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive54#Recent_activity while trying to find out what has or can be done to deal with the massive amount of vandalism coming from the IP block 62.171.194.0 - 62.171.194.45 (owned by Research Machines/IFL up to 62.171.195.255, though no vandalism seems to be coming from the rest) which is the network for a school or several schools in the UK. You originally suggested that users be blocked individually for a few hours at a time. The vandalism seems to have died down during the holiday break but now is coming back in full force (except for the weekends). In particular, there have been some especially nasty edits like subtle word changes (bonds to bondage on Three Gorges Dam) and numerical changes (33% to 37% on Asch conformity experiments) that weren't caught for days and that I only caught because I was checking for vandalism from these users. This is in addition to countless incidents of blanking and childish vandalism, dozens happening just today (the 10th) during school hours.

Most of these IP addresses have been blocked 5-15 times, and it doesn't seem to be doing the trick. In fact, the vandals probably don't even notice they have been blocked most of the time. I propose blocking anonymouse users from the whole set (about .5 - .45) indefinitely, and allowing only valid user accounts (there is at least one administrator who accesses his user account from this range). Is this possible? I would hate to see dozens of people working hours each day to chase down and revert the changes these IP addresses make, not to mention the many harmful edits that might make it through unnoticed.

I am a relatively new user to Wikipedia and am not sure if there is a good process to go about dealing with vandalism from schools, but it seems to me it is not worth the effort to continually warn, re-warn, block temporarily, and repeat. There must be a better way. I thought about adding this to Administrator alerts but as you have had prior experience dealing with this and done great research, I would consult you first.

Thank you. Please respond on my talk page if you can! -- Renesis13 23:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

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You wrote:
I propose blocking anonymouse users from the whole set (about .5 - .45) indefinitely, and allowing only valid user accounts (there is at least one administrator who accesses his user account from this range). Is this possible?
Unfortunately it is not. When an IP range is blocked all edits from the range are blocked, including editors with user accounts. I was on the fence before about blocking the whole range, the fact that there is an admin editing from the range as well as an increase in vandalism. I would like other people's attention--would it be possible for you to copy the discussion out of the archive and bring it up on WP:AN/I again? Thanks so much for looking into it. Demi T/C 23:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I have added this to the WP:ANI - (direct link). Thank you for your response and suggestion. You might also like to know that there has been much vandalism again in the last 7 hours :( -- Renesis13 15:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template talk:US-airport

Hi, Demi. I saw your comments in Template talk:US-airport and request that you reconsider before your independent voice weighs the scale. The site in question is not really a resource like the other sites in the template. However, it is an incomplete and largely commercial advertising service for charter services that is surrounded by other forms of advertising. Additionally, it only has hand-entered data on a handful of airports whereas the template is used by every US airport, so the majority of the links yield no results. Any wikipedia user clicking the links would end up wading through advertisements and confusion rather than a genuine resource. You do qualify your remarks by saying "At first blush" and I'd appreciate you taking another look since this is clearly a case of commercial link spamming on a pretty wide scale. Thanks. Dbchip 21:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for the comments. I followed the link from my local airport, which is quite small, and the resulting information seemed useful. I don't have much of an interest in whether the link stays or goes, but I prefer to do so on the merits of the information itself rather than the perceived motives of the site operators. Therefore, I think your comments would actually be more helpful as a response on the template's talk page rather than mine--do you mind if I move them there? Or perhaps you would prefer to do so? Thanks again. Demi T/C 21:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article bat ray, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] RFC enforcement

I've created Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Enforcement in response to the comments on WP:AAP that RFC may need some kind of enforcement. I'd appreciate your opinion on this. Radiant_>|< 14:36, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bat ray

(Moved comment [1] ("from commons talk page to here)

You're letting your ego get in the way of a good article again, Demi. It is common practice in cartography to exaggerate small ranges on world maps when they would not be seen otherwise. The Bat ray world map you created shows nothing at the scale used in the article. With my map, the article was front page news, but not with the goofy grey thing you have there now. --Jamal al din 20:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please stop PERVERTING Template:User antifa

If you were a halfway decent person, much less a halfway decent administrator, you would actually bother to look at the antifa userbox and see that it's been vandalized - that is, Silence (and now you) have repeatedly put an icon of Hitler-worship on it. I'll agree to a change in wording - I will not abide by an act of vandalism and censorship.

And I would warn you in the future to stop acting like a Neville Chamberlain in granting impunity to known racists and fascists while forcing better minded people to fight back with one arm tied behind their back. --Daniel 21:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

No hard feelings towards your block although you could have been a little nicer. ;) But thanks for responding and you can stop "watching me" now. Thank you. --a.n.o.n.y.m t 21:53, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you, I do appreciate it. I am sorry if I sounded snarky. Cheers! Demi T/C 21:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unfair Blocking Complaint

I will post here the same text I posted to WikiEN-l mailing list in search of answers: -- 68.50.103.212 10:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Context

This concerns the article Wikipedia:Requests for comment/United States Congress, within the subsection "The established conduct methods have not been used." This section erroneously states "Both the Senate and the House have established ethics bodies which, so far as I can see, have not yet been used in an attempt to resolve this matter." (only members of the respective body can refer matters to the ethics committee)

[edit] Background

I possibly erroneously removed this [2]. User:Kim Bruning reverted my changes reminding me not to delete comments from an RFC[3]. I then corrected myself moving the erroneous text to the discussion page [4], explaining "Comments are misguided and statements are blatantly false, moved to talk." User:Kim Bruning immediately reverted my changes, ignoring my comment and saying "RV political vandalism. Please watch, block"[5] I later reminded Kim that this was not vandalism and again moved the erroneous material to the discussion page [6], and explained "These comments are in the talk area and contain factually incorrect accusations. please do not revert again (3RR)."

[edit] Blocked

Administrator User:Demi then unilaterally intervened and blocked me for 12 hours with the brief explanation of "Repeatedly removing valid comments from RFC." I believed this was an abuse of administrative privileges. I do not see how was in violation of any Wikipedia policy. The Wikipedia article for blocking policy under the category "Excessive Reverts"[7], links to the Three-Revert Rule. ("The policy states that an editor must not perform more than three reversions, in whole or in part, on a single Wikipedia article within a 24 hour period.") which as you can see I am not in violation of.

[edit] Follow-up

I have twice emailed User:Demi asking for an explanation, arbitration, or leniency for the excessive 12 hour block.

As explained in these emails to Demi, I am one of the primary contributors to the article in question. I am the original author and primary contributor to the related article Wikipedia:Congressional Staffer Edits. I also was the user who originally uncovered the extent of the abuses by the Congressional IP address beyond Congressman Meehan. I have repeatedly worked to revert vandalism in Wikipedia as represented by my contributions. All of my edits have been in good faith. I believe this absolutely falls under the Wikipedia:Blocking policy for Controversial Blocks.

[edit] Plee

I ask that some form of arbitration be introduced to this situation. I still protest that my edits were correct and leaving factually incorrect information in the RFC degrades the credibility of the RFC and Wikipedia as a whole.

Furthermore if you have a review process for administrators I would recommend it for administrator User:Demi as I was blocked with no warning from any administrator, no arbitration was offered. Demi posted on my user discussion page [8] but gave no explanation of my block other than he “disagree[s] with your description of the situation.” Admin [[User:Commander Keane|] added to the discussion that “This isn't a democracy, we don't have to present you with laws (policies) that you violated . You did the wrong thing.”

[edit] Questions

I ask the Wikipedia Community, are there no rules or regulations for administrators? Can administrators make unilateral decisions as to that what is “wrong or right?” How can any user know what is wrong or right? Were the actions of User:Demi correct?

Can any user post false declarations in an RFC? -- 68.50.103.212 10:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

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I'll take my best crack at answering your questions and concerns. First, I hope you don't feel I've been unresponsive; as you have asked about the situation other editors have answered you as well as or better than I could have, but I have been paying attention. Secondly, a user may post "false declarations" in an RFC, but they should definitely be called on it--the cure for that is a response, not to make someone "unsay" their words. Thirdly, administrator actions by their nature are "unilateral", which is why I make sure any controversial block I make is posted on the adminstrator's noticeboard for further attention (the noticeboard is divided into subpages that are well-watched by administrators and others). And fourth, an administrator may block users for being disruptive. In general, the community does ask administrators to use their judgment as to what constitutes disruption, so I do that the best I can.
A further note--in your email to me you protest against my blocking you because you edit without a user account, if that's why I blocked you. I assure you it's not. I have no problems with anyone editing without a user account. Demi T/C 15:34, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Potential 3RR about to happen

See User:HeyNow10029's upload of copyright material, disregard of notices, then subsequent reverts of my removals. He needs a spanking. Or whatever you admins over here at [[:en:]] do. ℬastique▼parℓer♥voir♑ 19:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

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I didn't see close to four reverts, so I have not explicitly warned for that. I've offered my opinion that these images do not meet fair use guidelines, and that ambiguity over this should be discussed (at the article, since fair use is about use and not the image itself, which seem to be properly tagged). If anyone does violate the 3RR, the proper thing to do is report it at WP:AN/3RR for enforcement. Demi T/C 20:09, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Disregard of notices?! You left notices ... I didn't see any? (RM Copyvio ... not everyone spends their life on Wikipedia and lives and breathes Wiki-vernacular, so excuse me for being new to Wikipedia and not shaking in my boots when I read rm copyvio) And maybe if instead of flamboyantly removing people's edits and then coming and bashing them to the admins you explained why you removed them people wouldn't try to revert them. It's people like you that keep others from contributing to this community. Finally, I'm sure you're in dire need of human contact, but I'll have to pass on the spanking, you're on your own there, bud ... I'm not really into that. HeyNow10029 20:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] City seals?

Hey, you just left me a message about copyright violations in pictures that I had uploaded onto the Coral Gables and Miami Beach topics. Although you didn't bring up whether or not the two city seals I added are also copyright violations, as they were also removed by Bastique along with the pictures.

Coral Gables http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SealOfCoralGables160.jpg

Miami Beach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MiamiBeachSeal.gif

Once I take a picture of Coral Gables and Miami Beach can it be added to the infobox? Thanks! :) HeyNow10029 20:10, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it's fairly clear that a city seal is highly relevant to an article on the city and can't be obtained any other way than claiming fair use. Freely-licensed photographs of a city are encouraged for an article on the city--I also encourage you to upload those free photos to the Wikimedia commons. Cheers! Demi T/C 20:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
So I can add the city seals that I uploaded to their respective cities' topics sites? Just want to be clear before I make another change and save you from Bastique coming in and whining ... lol. HeyNow10029 20:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't see a problem with that. On the other hand, I don't usually edit city articles, so there maybe other comments. I'd add them back in (just them, without the images), and if anyone disagrees they can discuss the matter on the talk page. Demi T/C 20:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
And I don't whine. :P ℬastique▼parℓer♥voir♑ 20:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kelly Clarkson page

Maybe you can help me here.

User Eternal Equinox removed the following images from the Kelly Clarkson page: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:YoungKellyClarkson.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:KellySNL.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kelly_Award.jpg) claiming that they didn't fall under fair use even though they are screenshots and screenshots are used all over Wikipedia. I explained this to him but it doesn't seem to be sinking in. Thanks. HeyNow10029 03:42, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death penalty in the People's Republic of China

Bigamy, pornography, generally theft and gambling are capital crimes in RPC after revision of penal code of 1997? Vissar talk

[edit] Merrimack, New Hamphire

Hey, M@ asked you a question in regards to that article(the forum), but I think he forgot that you're not a townie(me and him both live there.) Figured i'd let you know. Karmafist 04:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final decision

The arbitration committee has reached a final decision in the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/WebEx and Min Zhu case. Raul654 19:11, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Demi-London-11161008.jpeg)

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Thanks for uploading Image:Demi-London-11161008.jpeg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that your image can be used under a fair use license. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If your image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why your image was deleted. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Shyam (T/C) 15:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Demi-London-11161321.jpeg)

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Thanks for uploading Image:Demi-London-11161321.jpeg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that your image can be used under a fair use license. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If your image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why your image was deleted. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Shyam (T/C) 15:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiHangman Tournament

I am attempting to revitalize the WikiHangman Tournament. Seeing as the page has been around since last year, I have decided to contact all interested users ("interested" being defined as one who had added their name to the signup list) and see if they are still interested.

Which is why I am contacting you today. If you are still interested in the tournament, please bold your name in the signup list. And if you aren't, no big deal, just remove your name from the list. Thank you for your time, and I hope to see you there! — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 19:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Demi, thanks for deleting the personal attack that User:Shaft121 had posted on his user page, and for the related warning you left on his discussion page. Just wanted to let you know that the user restored what you deleted. I've taken this issue to WP:PAIN, rather than continue to try to engage in dialog with the user, but no admin has responded as yet. Regards, PKtm 08:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

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I have blocked User:Shaft121 for ignoring personal attack warnings and gaming the restriction. Demi T/C 06:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Demi. -- PKtm 15:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
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