Talk:De Lorean DMC-12

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the De Lorean DMC-12 article.
Please sign and date your posts using four tildes (~~~~). New discussion topics go at the bottom of the page; click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Frequently asked questions. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject.	Talk page guidelines Be polite Assume good faith No personal attacks Don't bite the newcomers!

De Lorean DMC-12 is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do.

De Lorean DMC-12 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on January 7, 2006.

De Lorean DMC-12 has had a peer review by Wikipedia editors which is now archived. It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article.

	Cars Portal This article is supported by Wikipedia Project Automobiles, a collective approach to creating a comprehensive guide to the world of Automobiles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you are encouraged to visit the project page, where you can contribute to the discussion.
FA	This article has been rated as FA-Class on the Project's quality scale. (If you rated the article please give a short summary at comments to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses.)

De Lorean DMC-12 is a selected article in Portal:Cars.

Contents 1 Splitting DMC-12 from De Lorean 2 Number of De Loreans produced 3 Spacing? 4 Addition 5 Ian Ryde? 6 3rd Golden Car -- contradictory information??? 7 Prototype finished when? 8 Torsion bar reference 9 Grand Theft Auto 10 Back to the Future DeLorean 11 Motor facts 12 It´s coming back 13 Removed content 14 De Lorean today 15 Handedness 16 Inconcistency

[edit] Splitting DMC-12 from De Lorean

If we're going to go this separate pages route (probably advisable, given the amount of data) we should move car information largely out of the De Lorean article and make it more about the company and less about the product. —Morven 07:27, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Once I get the core of the DMC-12 page done, I'll start moving data from the De Lorean page over. Thanks for keeping an eye on things! --Milkmandan 07:33, 2005 Jan 27 (UTC)

Update: I'm pretty much finished moving information from the De Lorean article. I've decided to leave the DMC-12 section intact because it deals with market information relevant to the company. The Today section probably should be moved, but I'm out of energy. In any event, I don't have any more major changes for the article, so it should be safe to blast at for a while. --Milkmandan 09:02, 2005 Jan 27 (UTC)

[edit] Number of De Loreans produced

Why the discrepency between the 9,200 produced in the opening paragraphs to "At least one source indicates that only 8,583 DMC-12s were ever produced"? What's the first number's source and if there's a debate about the number produced, why? —Cleared as filed. 15:11, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Please look at footnotes 1, 2 and 3. (they are referenced in the last paragraph in the History ection). Thanks — Wackymacs 15:33, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I think the article is sourced adequately but I still wonder why the discrepency exists. The two sources simply give two different numbers without explanation. Hmm. —Cleared as filed. 16:34, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Spacing?

Why is a space being put between De and Lorean? The company's site says DeLorean, not De Lorean. Is there something I do not know here? —the preceding unsigned comment is by Cabazon (talk • contribs) 2006-01-03 13:26:39 (UTC)

Check out De_Lorean_Motor_Company#Delorean_vs._DeLorean_vs._De_Lorean for more on the naming "controversy". -- nae'blis _(talk) 19:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Addition

I added a significant tidbit originally missing from this (great) article: despite being produced in Northern Ireland, no right-hand drive version of the car was ever provided. This limited the success of the car in the areas in which it was produced (in the island of Ireland, and of course in the UK, vehicles travel on the left side of the road, so right-hand drive vehicles are much more common and easier to drive).

Antóine O'Connor 01:01, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ian Ryde?

"...and is also Mr Ian Ryde's favourite car in the world."

Who is Ian Ryde, and why should I care? -- Cottingham 01:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3rd Golden Car -- contradictory information???

Did American Express or Consolidated International acquire the parts for the last golden car? If Amex got the parts from Delorean, how did Consolidated end up with them? The paragraph seems to contradict itself on this.

[edit] Prototype finished when?

Both 1976 and 1978 are mentioned at different places throughout the article. Please check. -- 84.135.207.52 21:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Anyone? I thought Articles of the day would get some special attention? -- 84.135.200.147 18:38, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd say the prototype was finished in 1978. — Wackymacs 19:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Torsion bar reference

I don't think the current torsion bar link discusses the torsion bar that is used on the doors to assist in it's opening. All torsion bar links I have seen on this page refer to a torsion bar as a "torsion suspension" which, from reading, is a totally separate thing. Can we please stop linking this until we find the right torsion bar page to link to? --delorean3 07:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Theft Auto

There is no De Lorean in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, because the Grand Theft Auto series does not contain licensed cars. The De Luxo is almost certainly a reference to the vehicle (as are many of the game's cars), but it's not a DMC-12. It doesn't even have the distinctive 'gull' doors (probably for technical reasons).

Various third-party modifications add various real-world vehicles to the game, but these aren't official content. --81.86.106.14 22:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure how that counts. If it's not a DeLorean, it's not a DeLorean, whatever the copyright-infringement protections it is using to obscure the line. Does it have the gull-wing doors or not? If not, how do you know it's an "obvious replica"? This sounds like original research to me. -- nae'blis _(talk) 15:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Here's a picture of the Deluxo. It does not, as I said, have the gull-wing doors. This is not a De Lorean. --152.78.71.87 19:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC) (same as 81.86.etc)

Also, the linked SegaGT 2002 article doesn't list the DMC-12. Can anyone confirm?

Given that someone appears to object to removing the entry by reverting changes (sigh), I've at least added a "lookalike" as for Wreckless. --81.86.106.14 23:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Back to the Future DeLorean

How about adding a pic of the DeLorean from Back to the Future near the reference? PrometheusX303 20:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motor facts

A couple of minor quibbles: All other sources I've seen give the displacement of the B28F as 2.8L, not 2.66. Also, I've been told that the motor in the original prototype was a 1.8L Citroen turbocharged four-cylinder, not a rotary. Since this article has already been subject to substantial oversight, I wanted to bring this up before editing. Istewart 05:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] It´s coming back

Apperantly a company in florida aquired the old drawings and other stuff. The plan to produce the DMC-12. The first car is supposed to roll in two months. http://shortnews.stern.de/start.cfm?overview=1&id=625719&rubrik1=Auto&rubrik2=Hersteller&rubrik3=US%2DModelle&sort=1&sparte=4 The link is in german, sorry. Maybe someone else can find information in english.

I doubt it will be affordable for any "normal" person though...*sigh*. FreddyE 06:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

http://www.autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?ID=4975&cache=no It's a Dutch site but since I am Dutch I can understand it. Here is a translation:

The DeLorean is best known by the general public because of it's apearance in the "Back to the Future" movies. From 1981 to 1982 almost 10.000 models of this car have been build in North-Ireland. Founder John DeLorean allegedly was involved with a drug deal do to financial problems, which ment the end of the factory. According to rumors all the production machines we're dropped into the sea.

Tony Ierardi wants to restart production. Soon after the death of John DeLorean in 2005, he bought all the rights. Using the left over parts and the original buildplans, he thinks he can bring the car back into production. Target price on the American market should be arround $45.000,-.

The original DeLorean was powered by a pretty weak 2,8 Litre V6 which produced a measly 130 hp. With current technology we would expect the new DeLorean to have substantially more power, al tough nothing has been confirmed yet. The first cars should be produced this year.

Even with the same sized modern engine, it'll have allot more power then 130 hp. L33tj0s 10:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed content

I know for a fact Doc Brown said "Look out!", as opposed to "Quick, get out of the way!" Max W. Gore 06:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

It really doesn't matter, it doesn't have anything to do directly with the car itself, its just a quote from the movie. — Wackymacs 06:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't hurt either. Max W. Gore 05:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Right. Restored a large chunk, (while still attempting to cut out the "cruft"), emphasizing the importance in pop culture being owed to its use in the Back to the Future movies. Don't really see what's wrong with that. Wavy G 05:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] De Lorean today

I enjoyed this article more than I expected, but the "De Lorean today" section is disappointing. It's full of odd fancruft and unsourced POV. I don't know enough about the subject to sort wheat from chaff, but some well-placed edits by someone suitably informed would tighten up the only weakness of a good article. Soo 18:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Handedness

The intro states that no right-handed DMC-12s were ever made, yet later on the article goes on to state that 23 were made. Contradiction? Isopropyl 19:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inconcistency

“Around 8,583 DMC-12s were made before production fizzled in late 1982, with final production taking place in early 1983.” (Second paragraph) “A total of about 9,200 DMC-12s were produced between January 1981 and December 1982.[1], no confirmed records of the total production has surfaced, though it's believed that about 9,000 cars were built.” End of “History” -Ahruman 02:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Annother inconsistency- "Only 23 right-hand drive models were made for use in the United Kingdom, and as of 2002 these are valued at £25,000 each." "Only four right-hand drive De Loreans were ever produced, converted by specialized mechanics for use in the UK."