Talk:Day Break

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Contents 1 Linking to characters? 2 Groundhog day 3 Day Synopsis 4 13 Hours 5 Merging Episodes into Main Article 6 What If He Can Change the Day 7 Please Don't Merge

[edit] Linking to characters?

This show isn't nearly popular enough to merit linking to nonexistent character pages. I move that we take those links out. SnappingTurtle 17:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, so I did it. Darquis 21:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

What a silly argument. Is Wikipedia running out of space? IceHunter 17:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC) (says, give us a signature shortcut which is easy to type on non american keyboards)

No, but the guideline is that fictional characters are generally covered in the article on the fictional work, not in their own article. It's a better structure for the encyclopedia, regardless of space issues.--Srleffler 21:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Why did someone revert the picture from the "Main Character section"? --Ahkat 05:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Groundhog day

Not to be mean or anything, but i really think that this is a tv remake of the ever-popular movie Groundhog Day.

Just because it has the same premise does not mean that it is a remake, not by a long shot. So don't try to say anything of the sort please. TostitosAreGross 02:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello?? OP, they specifically say its inspired by that movie, to forestall whines no doubt. But Groundhog Day wasn't the first time ever to do timeloops. IceHunter 17:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC) (says, give us a signature shortcut which is easy to type on non american keyboards)

Even though it has the timeloop plot ala Groundhog Day, there are some original elements such as Hopper retaining injuries from the previous day and, as shown in the last episode, certain events may be changed based on his actions. - SPKx 15:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Day Synopsis

For this particular show, it might be interesting to make a link for an explanation of each day and it's differences or even what Brett discovers, as well as an episode guide. What say you all? I would certain be up for helping out. A

Well, I don't know if we need more than one article yet... I do agree that summaries by day makes sense so far. But that does not conflict with "episode guide" at this point -- everything is linear so far (linearly looping)... So far we have two episodes and four days, so the eps can just be sub-divided into days.69.87.194.175 00:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 13 Hours

The page says its a 13 hour miniseries but only 12 episodes are listed.

The first episode was two hours, making both 13 hours and 12 episodes correct. Doug A Scott ^{(4 8 15 16 23 42)}

The first episode was one hour long, not two. There was two episodes shown on the night.

Thirteen episodes seems long to be considered a miniseries. Many regular series are canceled before they reach 13 episodes. BuffaloChip97 06:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd say the difference here is that this is a short story arc that is designed to end after 13 episodes... unlike series that are canceled after three shows, which are designed to continue onward but don't get the chance. --Psiphiorg 17:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

well, this is a series supposed to last only until lost kicks in so let's hope they won't ludicruously prolong it like they did with lost and many others.

I read that if the show is renewed for a second season it will feature a different looping day than this one (i.e. one day a season) - SPKx 15:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging Episodes into Main Article

I'm putting merge notices on the episode articles, suggesting merging them into this main article on the show. There are Wikipedia guidelines on this in the WP:FIC and Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 20:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

pliz dont. its better that way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.165.146.90 (talk • contribs).

Assuming this only runs 12 episodes, which looks likely, I don't think it makes sense to have 12 different episode pages. I'd support a merge with a brief summary of each episode. --Milo H Minderbinder 15:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I for one would prefer to have each episode summarized in its entirety, with each on its own page, same as the pilot. I missed the November 22nd viewing (episode 3) and was hoping to read what happened so I would not be confused watching episode 4. But alas, no one has written one yet, and that two-sentence summary doesn't quite cut it. If anyone is willing to put up a semi-detailed synopsis, I would appreciate it. - Dan, 26 Nov 06

Wikipedia is not intended to be a message board. Detailed summaries are also not really supposed to be included. The preferred length for summaries is a paragraph or two. Please read the links I put up at the top of this section. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 20:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Episode summaries are specifically not supposed to be a substitute for watching the show. I'm sure there's a summary online somewhere, but you can just watch the whole episode on ABC's website. --Milo H Minderbinder 15:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

plz dont. just leave it this way.

I'm sorry to disappoint you with this but there are Wikipedia guidelines about how to handle episodes of TV shows. I'm currently working on some other projects, keeping me from tackling it myself, or I'd start doing it now. Again, sorry. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 19:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

no, he's right. if something works well, why try to broke it?

Even if this series is only running for 13 episodes, a 2 paragraph summary (estimated, probably more would be required due to the complexities and the multiple plot time lines in each episode) for each one of them would total up to an additional 26 paragraphs. This would make this article huge and I have yet to see a single other television show without separate pages for each episode. Also Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes says this about pages for each episode:

Once there's enough independently verifiable information included about individual episodes, spin the information from episodes out into their own articles.

Wengero 03:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

yeah, right. that's the spirit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.32.1.82 (talk • contribs).

There are tons of shows that don't have individual articles for each episode. Heard of Grey's Anatomy? If episode summaries make the article too long, they can always be split onto a second page that just has the episode summaries. Wikipedia guidelines generally discourage making a separate article for each episode of a TV show, although it is often ignored. I think this is a perfect example of when to follow it. --Milo H Minderbinder 14:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

fight'em guys. don't let'em win :P

I agree with the proposal to merge the individual episode articles either into the main article or into a second episode summary article. I also support the proposal to greatly prune the summaries. Per Wikipedia guidelines, long and detailed summaries do not belong here. At most a few paragraphs per episode is appropriate.--Srleffler 21:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

For those who want to merge the individual episode articles into the main article, how do you explain the highly detailed Lost recaps like this one? They also contain scene by scene descriptions. Is it because Lost is more popular? If you're going to merge these pages, you should be consistent and submit a similar request there too. The nature of the show (and Lost) means that people are going to be scrutinizing over the details of each episode, which I believe merits giving each of them their own article. Jschuur 03:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, why would we merge them? This is a complicated series, people might want to catch up or figure something out, it would just be making things harder. Maybe if the pages were small summaries, but no, they are long and detailed. Definetly do not merge. Puppet125 02:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

yeah, don't merge. sorry, folks, it seems you lost :P

[edit] What If He Can Change the Day

I changed the capitalization to a lower case "the" - that's the way it's officially listed on the ABC website. [1] If you have reason to believe it should be different, please discuss it here. --Milo H Minderbinder 15:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please Don't Merge

Please keep the separate articles for each episode. This show is all about details. It is a puzzle, like a video game. If the articles are merged the details will be lost. (And in the grand wikipedia tradition, there are no useful links to other places where the episodes are summarized/analyzed in detail. This has nothing to do with any theoretical access to the total shows themselves. If you have any good links, maybe you'll be allowed to share them on this Talk page?) 69.87.200.159 22:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)