User talk:David Underdown

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[edit] Welcome

Hello, David Underdown, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the Wikipedia Boot Camp, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} on your user page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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[edit] World War I

I moved "The 'War Guilt' of Germany" subsection dealing with the WWI armistice treaty and the war debt Germany had to pay after WWI from the "Causes" of WWI section to the "Aftermath" section. You flagged my move of this content as a deletion and a vandalism and moved the post-treaty aftermath content back to one of the causes of WWI. Dumbass. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.130.15.14 (talk • contribs).

See my response on talk:World War I#The Treaty of Versailles Didn't Cause WWI, it ended it. Forgetting to sign things myself now. David Underdown

[edit] Money broker

No probs on the fix, you followed all the steps correctly and it very nearly worked. Wikipedia is quite specific about capitalisation which is something to bear in mind especially outside of the main space where the articles live. I hope you continue to enjoy contributing all over the wiki. MLA 09:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The May 2006 Local Elections & the Labour Party

Hi David!

Yep, sounds like a good idea to wait till after the elections..never know..they might do well! ;op Hayday 15:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the support on my RfA!

Image:Danavecpurpletiger.jpg A belated thank you to you for Supporting my RFA! It passed 54/2/3, much better than I expected! I am still finding my feet as an Administrator, and so far I am enjoying the experience. I am honoured that you felt I was ready to take up this position, and wish to thank you formally! I hope I can live up to your expectations of me. Once again, thank you! --Darth Deskana (talk page) 19:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Userpage

Thanks for the vandal reversion on my userpage. It was someone who didn't like an AfD recommendation that I made a while back. MLA 16:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vann etc

I was interested to read yr article on Stanley Vann. With your P'brgh connections you might like to see the article I created yesterday on Thomas Armstrong: a highly overdue entry I think! Perhaps we can meet in the Prom queue in the summer? Look for a bright yellow-green "Rhythm of Life" T shirt in the day queue. Hikitsurisan 16:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes I saw that, and was rather ashamed that I hadn't really heard of him before. Most people near the front of the Arena season queue would know if I'm about or not, so I'm sure we'll bump into each other at some point. David Underdown 08:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Matins and Evensong

Hello David, I do hope that you will be able to find the time to continue work on revising Morning Prayer and Evensong. I am in the process of reviewing existing articles and considering new ones for an Anglicanism wikiproject I want to propose, and any efforts you can concentrate on these articles would do much to help things along. I am working on the proposed project page at User talk:Fishhead64/Anglicanism, if you would like to check it out. Cheers! Fishhead64 06:38, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Things are a little hectic just now due to moving house, but I very much hope to get back to have a concerted revision of those articles. If you get the project going I'll try and get my sister and/or mother going on it. They're much more knowledgable on the theological/historical side of Anglicanism than I am. David Underdown 09:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion

Hello! I noticed that you have been a contributor to articles on Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion. You may be interested in checking out a new WikiProject - WikiProject Anglicanism. Please consider signing up and participating in this collaborative effort to improve and expand Anglican-related articles! Cheers! Fishhead64 22:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hockey

Hi David, Would you be interested in helping work on a Field Hockey Portal? Just had a thought looking around the other sports!? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Portal/Proposals --Nunners 15:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

In principle yes, although as I mentioned time is at something of a premium at the moment. As well as moving house, I'm also getting married at the end of September, and you know all about that. David Underdown 15:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi David, I replied to your comment on my talk page... Thanks for fixing that link as well, I ahem "borrowed" it from that user and obviously forgot to change the link :S Staphylococcus 16:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charlotte Wilson (VSO)

Thanks for creating this article, I knew Charlotte when we both sang in the choir at Imperial. David Underdown 09:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, no problem. I didn't actually know her myself but I was a VSO volunteer in Rwanda from 2003-2005 and Charlotte's legacy and memory live on here. Cheers — SteveRwanda 10:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Radio Three

Why did you remove the trivia portion of BBC Radio Three? Was it somehow incorrect? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.209.2.132 (talk • contribs).

There seems to be a reasonably strong opinion taht trivia doesn't generally have a place in Wikipedia articles - would yo usee something like that in a print encyclopaedia. If it was to go somewhere, it would probably be more appropriate in the Yes, Minister article, rather than Radio 3. Did the information actually help anyone to understand what Radio 3 is about? David Underdown 07:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

For reverting the long comment in brackets on Apostolic Succession. I agree it was rather frivolous of me and didn't help the discussion --BozMo talk 19:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RS

Hello... thanks for the comment. A history, yeah... he kinda sought me out. I have no intention of editting on his page... but it seems quite obvious that it is an article that he wrote about himself (as an anon and as sockpuppets) and has used sockpuppets to protect it... I get the distinct feeling that people have kept away from speedy deleting it for vanity because they do not want to again feel his wrath. I don't know how to feel about it, kinda helpless really. DMighton 21:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

 Wow. I doubt he passes WP:MUSIC. Compositions that "commissioned" by churches and schools, 
 that Google only picks up at wiki (and mirrors) and his own site. One national BBC blurb... 
 Check this out : [[1]]. ccwaters 23:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I just received this from another member of the WP, I think he has a point. DMighton 23:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I haven't checked for a while, but I understood that he could muster commissions from the RLPO and Evelyn Glennie, which would probably just tip him into notability. Possibly the page could be edited somewhat, and some the incoming links reviewed. I found the article first of all after following the link from Last Post, and now I've reviewed the contributions from the IP that added the link, 86.137.66.200 all 4 of them are saying (essentially), Robert Steadman uses/refers to this in his work blah, so it would appear that some (self-?)promotion was going on. This IP appears to be in the same range as some of those used to edit the actual Steadman article as well. However this IP is in the range assigned to BT consumer broadband, so that doesn't really prove anything. I'm reluctant to give the impression of being engaged in a vendetta, so I might return to this in the future, but I'm going to let the dust settle for a bit. David Underdown 08:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Probably not a bad idea. Personally, I'm just marvelling over the shear scale of this guy's vanity. I don't even know what to think about it. I don't think it is right, but I think that the way he acts allows for little to be done without retribution from him. DMighton 16:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit count opt in


[edit] An open letter to Mr Underdown (if that's a real name)

Dear Mr Underdown,

It seems to me rather silly that you have been editing a subject you know nothing about. Firstly, you've deleted my accurate comments:

1) Michale James is indeed an editor (www.grapevine-press.co.uk) of an underground magazine (or at least no one has seen it for years).

2) Go to Waterstone's. You will see many books written by Peter Goddard. His contributions to literature are as valid as David Farr's.

3) Jae Lee's appointement has yet to be officially announced.

4) The rumours about Ken Clarke are true (or at least it's true that there are rumours).

You also removed Jack Butler from alumni. I can garauntee that this slithery, unpleasant character is indeed that.

You did fail to spot the real mistakes.

1) Duncan Eaglesham is not Head of School.

2) FJ McIvor is not a member of Opus Dei.

I give you 48 hours to ammend the page as necessary and if you comply I will not demand a public apology.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.222.67.72 (talk • contribs) 07:58, July 31 2006 (UTC)

It is a key tenet of Wikipedia that information should be verifiable. You gave no references for any of your changes which is why I simply reverted them as being unencyclopaedic and posible vandalism. If you can make referenced changes, then go ahead and do it. In addition to references you need to make sure that people you add are notable. David Underdown 09:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
That's all very well, but where are the references for all the other comments. You are quite simply discriminating against my (true) information. There's nothing wrong with information apatheid, as long as it's the wrong information that has to stand on the bus. As for notobility, it says there is no official policy, so how can you complain? Anyway references are over-rated. How do you know that the reference is correct. Just because I have a reference from Adolph doesn't mean that Jews are evil etc. ad absurdum.
The whole article should indeed be better referenced. I would be inclined to take out "Head of School" altogether as it changes each year (I assume), and does not seems to be shown even on the school website. In general many articles on schools are in poor shape as pupils of the school (or rival schools) tend to add nonsense of one sort or another. I've tended to take the approach of reverting obvious vandalism, or unsupported changes from the point after which I've come across the article (for whatever reason). You've added Ian Simpson back to the almuni, I have no quibble about that per se, but the way you've done means the article the link point to is still pointing at the similarly named architect. What you really should do is add something like [[Ian Simpson (student activist)|Ian Simpson]] to get it to point to a new (blank) article, completely unconnected with someone else. David Underdown 15:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Choir

Yes, something really had to be done with that. I'm glad I came to your userpage as I've now heard of the fascinating practice of change ringing! Best wishes, MarkBuckles 09:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Well if you want to know more, this is a list of all towers in the US and these two churches in Boston both have change-ringing, http://www.theadvent.org/ and http://www.oldnorth.com/ and I'm sure they'd be glad to see a potential new recruit (or even just someone who wants to see how it's done). David Underdown 09:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MLTC

I've reverted the content, it struck me as petulant to do that over the name. I'm trying to find somehting both open source and official that highlights the proper name of the Cadre, but it looks as if all the PR blurb sticks with the popular name. Will continue hacking.ALR 13:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

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Hi, I think of Audenshaw School as my article, so I would like to thank you for your tireless reverting of vandalism.--Bjwebb (talk) 21:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem, it ended up on my watchlist when I was doing some RC patrolling, and I'v left it there since like all school articles it seems to attract more than its fair share of vandalism. David Underdown 08:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] korean war changes

just wanted to let you know that my changing of "sk" to "sk government" is correct in that sk was NOT by any stretch of the imagination of single, homogenous political entity. extensive resistance to that governemnt by many koreans took place. so the receipent of the help given by the UN forces really is best described as "sk government" in this context. next, when nk appears immediately afterwards, it is as "nk forces", not just the country of nk. if you prefer to keep you change, fine with me since it is a rather minor point. but if my points here make you think differently, maybe you could restore my edit. thanks. Hongkyongnae 23:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I take your point to an extent, but you left other instances in the article untouched, and some of the grammar around your changes would also have needed changing to reflec the adjustment, so the simplest thing was just to change it back, and it seemed preferable to me to have a consistent style throughout the article. This should really be discussed on the article talk page not here so more people have a chance to get involved in the discussion. David Underdown 08:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major assistance

Thanks for catching my slip-up with the reference to "B-flat major" over on the Gregorian chant page. After a crazy day of vandalism, it's easy to miss the small stuff! Peirigill 17:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Antonescu

Testimony about the Romanian withdraw from 1940 and how elements of the jewish population behaved then can be found in the book "Antonescu" by JC Dragan, which is already cited at the References paragraph. Oh, and thanks for fixing my grammaticaly incorrect sentences.

[edit] Anglican primates

Hmmm...so I did. But I can't recall what the sentence was supposed to be. Oh well...it will come back. Thanks.Masalai 01:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Been hit by an auto-block

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reasons:

Autoblock of 195.92.67.74

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[edit] Black Sticks

Black Sticks is for both men and women national field hockey team. However, i want to seperate women to one page, so use Black Sticks for Women OR Women's Black Sticks. I want your opinion. Thanks --Aleenf1 03:04, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] English Reformation

Thank you for that. I was amazed at the number. It's in Haigh. Roger Arguile 11:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stave/Staff

That's cool. So how is "stave" properly pronounced? Long or short A? SFT | Talk 16:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Women's Field Hockey

Hi, So if Women's Field Hockey and Men's Field Hockey are the same thing we do not need Women's basketball. Felix Portier 9:00 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Hockeyroos vs Chile.jpg

Hi, Did you deleate this image Image:Hockeyroos vs Chile.jpg? Felix Portier 22 November 2006 9:06 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

Reverting clear vandalism is covered by a excemption to the rule. I don't see why abiding by copyright law shouldn't be excempt either. Copyright is something Wikipedia should stick by and if you think you need to revert for that, it's fine. Make sure you doublecheck when you do it. - Mgm|(talk) 08:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kvernberget is looking like a hand-mill

You have changed this page back to an earlier version, destroying a text that was good. This text was newly translated and shortened from the Norwegian Wiki text. I dont know by whome, but it was correct. I wrote the Norwegian text. Please dont change things like this.krg 81.191.48.111 23:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your input is requested

Your input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 17:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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