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Galicia

I've commented on your move of Galicia (autonomous community) - just letting you know in case you haven't watched it and want to respond. --Blisco 19:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the trouble to let me know; I see the distinction you make (which I unwittingly overlooked) and have added my thoughts to the talk page section. Yours, David 23:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

RE:Galicia

Hi Norrin,
...moved Galicia (autonomous community) to Galicia (Iberian Peninsula): The other title isn't neutral.
Per the talk page section, I hadn't thought of "Galicia (Iberian Peninsula)", so thank you for this suggestion!  (Perhaps "Peninsula" needs to be "peninsula"...?)  However, I'd like to understand in what way you feel "autonomous community" isn't neutral; other similar articles use this disambiguation (as mentioned in the talk page section), so "Galicia (Iberian P/peninsula)" continues to differ from them. Thanks in advance for enlightenment, David Kernow 13:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that autonomous community isn't neutral 'cos there are people that says that Galicia isn't Spain. Some people think that Galicia is like the Sahara, a [territory occupied by another state]... However, everybody knows that Galicia is in the Iberian peninsula. Sorry for my [E]nglish, I'm from Galicia. --Norrin_strange (Talk) 10:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply – I wasn't aware that some Galicians regard or wish Galicia to be independent of Spain. Intriguingly, the "Basque Country" is still disambiguated as Basque Country (autonomous community). Would renaming Galicia (Iberian Peninsula) to Galicia (Iberia) be okay?  Re your English, it's very good – the portions in square brackets above are the only changes I'd make. Yours, David 13:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, put it into Galicia(Iberia)...You talk about the Basque Country...well, it's different: the historical Basque Country/Euskal Herria it's different than the Autonomous Comunnity of the Basque Country, and in the Galician wikipedia we put: Basque Autonomous Comunnity (Comunidade Autónoma Vaca) and Basque Country (País Vasco).--Norrin_strange (Talk) 10:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Have moved page to Galicia (Iberia) – thanks for a little more insight into this area!  Best wishes, David 02:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi David. I thought that I should say that I don't think that adding "Iberia" is a better choice for Galicia. I grew up very close to Galicia, and I guarantee that "Iberia" is not a very common term that we use around here (except for the Spanish airline). It would probably sound better if we replace "Iberia" with "Iberian Peninsula", which is a far more common term. Or, in my opinion, simply name it "Galicia". As for the other Galicia in Central Europe, I believe that a disambiguation note would be enough. Best regards.--Húsönd 21:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

First, yes, my thanks for this but more so for restarting the whole process. Maybe when I finally catch up on my immediate to-do tasks I might one day do something administrative! <chuckle>
Before any blushing or demurring becomes overwhelming, thanks also for your thoughts here. If Galicia (Eastern Europe) were considered wholly historical, I was looking to pursue your suggestion to make the Iberian Galicia the "Galicia" article – however, have you seen this and/or the like...?  As you might guess, I'm now not sure what might accommodate everyone...  For the time being, therefore, I've (partially) reverted the name to Galicia (Iberian peninsula). Hope this okay. Thanks agin, David Kernow 00:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
PS I was going to add some general supportive remarks to your Editor Review, but then thought (1) they might risk interpretation as biased; (2) they might be welcome but not strictly relevant.
Haha. That's okay with the review. :-) Thank you for showing me the POV of Irpen, which I deem sound. Maybe it's better to add the location info after all (btw, I noticed that the article Iberian Peninsula writes with capital P, maybe the same should happen with that term on Galicia). I just made a small change to the Galicia disambiguation page, the link was leading to the redirect page, and I changed "Galicia (Spain)" to "Galicia (Iberian Peninsula)" before any Galician nationalists start to complain. Once again, congratulations for your adminship! Best regards.--Húsönd 00:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Re "Iberian P/peninsula", I realiz/se I overlooked capitaliz/sation when returning the article to this disambiguation... Personally, I don't mind which it is; however, "Iberian Peninsula" is a proper noun, which may or may not be accurate; "Crimean Peninsula"/"Crimean peninsula", "Korean Peninsula"/"Korean peninsula", ...?  Yours, David 10:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:RM: Leigh Delamere → Leigh Delamere services

Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for making the change! Cheers, Mr WR 14:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I was wrong to provide strong support.

Hi Bill,
Thanks for your support in [my RfA]!
...On to Main: not one single new article... If you’re going to delete articles, you need to understand how to generate articles...
Hope the (starts of) the histories for items linked via /Archive, most of the italic links on /No longer on watchlist and the subpage links on /To do (in particular those in bold, which are about to debut in the main encyclopedia) haven't gone missing!  Thanks again, David Kernow 10:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

You're my RfA hero! Please accept the "most underappreciated award" (sorry, no special image goes with the underappreciated award). Williamborg (Bill) 12:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

And just in case it was lost in my remarks above, I am sincerely impressed with both your contributions and your diplomacy. You will be an excellent admin. Williamborg (Bill) 13:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
No problem; I did wonder whether something was amiss with the Wikipedia database but wasn't able to check then and there. Such is the background material on Wikipedia, I also periodically miss useful information – with the effect that contributions I make occasionally seem far bolder than I'd've thought!  I imagine you know the experience. Thanks for providing such a generous climax to the RfA!  David 02:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
PS As it seems you're Norwegian (hope I'm correct!) I wonder if you might have a few moments to listen to and write down (or immediately recogniz/se and steer me toward) an approximate translation of a Norwegian folksong?  (It's Heiemo og Nykkjen ("Heiemo and the Water Sprite"...?) sung by Kirsten Bråten-Berg – this link being to the beginnings of an article I had on my PC and have now uploaded!)  If this in any way tricky, worry not; I'm just being opportunistic!

CfD

Dear David,

some categories by religion (which include living people in many instances!) are about to come up. Bellbird 14:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your alert, but I tend to steer clear of such categories as (1) I'm not sure on my position regarding them; and (2) they tend to be POV hotbeds. Hope all works out, David Kernow 02:40, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Help disambiguating

Hello, you commented on Talk:Athletics regarding the movement of that page, and so I was hoping you could help with the large amount of disambiguation that is now needed because of the move. All the wikilinks to Athletics must now be disambiguating to one of the more specific links. Please see Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links. The list of articles linking to Athletics can be found at Special:Whatlinkshere/Athletics. Regards. -- Jeff3000 00:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'd be happy to; I hadn't realised the move would cause a lot of disruption. Right now I'm about to take a pause from computer work; when I return, I have a few other messages to attend to and some articles to move into the encyclopedia proper, but thereafter I'll be on the case. Hope that's okay, David Kernow 02:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the help :) -- Jeff3000 03:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Kirsten Bråten-Berg

Very nice article on Kirsten Bråten-Berg.

You observed, "PS As it seems you're Norwegian (hope I'm correct!) I wonder if you might have a few moments to listen to and write down (or immediately recogniz/se and steer me toward) an approximate translation of a Norwegian folksong?  (It's Heiemo og Nykkjen ("Heiemo and the Water Sprite"...?) sung by Kirsten Bråten-Berg – this link being to the beginnings of an article I had on my PC and have now uploaded!)  If this in any way tricky, worry not; I'm just being opportunistic!"

Much to my chagrin and dismay, I'm only Norwegian by heritage (& half-Norwegian at that). My paternal family left Norway in 1868. I do translate some Norwegian (& German & French & a small bit of Spanish & even a very little Russian) on occassion—more Norwegian than other languages since I'm working on improving my Norwegian. But my ability to read far outstrips my listening comprehension.

Fortunately I do know several Wiki-Norwegians, and given their general Wiki-behavior, it pleases me greatly to be mistaken for one of them. I’ll ask around for an assist.

Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 02:57, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Glad such a mistake is so pleasing – and grateful for your contacting Frode; not only has he responded, but:
...David, I have just talket to Kirsten [yes, Kirsten Bråten-Berg!]. She was in Stavanger and busy, but said she would send me the text to Heiemo and the Water Sprite when she gets back tomorrow.
How's that for a result...!  Ever the opportunist, I've left a few inquiries in response (see #Re Kirsten Bråten-Berg); hopefully none ask too much or are inappropriate. Meanwhile, I also meant to thank you for uploading Image:1668-Map-of-Norway.JPG to the Commons; I'm one of those folk intrigued by maps and am looking forward to spending some more time aomng them in the Commons again. Best wishes, David 22:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Very pleased, but not surprised, that this worked out so well for you. Wikipedians are generally helpful, and Norwegian Wikipedians seem unfailingly helpful… Of course I cheated—Frode has been one of the most helpful in that past so it is no surprise that he was successful for you. Never would have guessed, though, that he'd make contact directly with Kirsten Bråten-Berg, & so quickly. Not what we came to Wikipedia for, but a great fringe benefit! May all your days work so well. Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 03:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

And congrats on making Admin. Trust you'll still put in some time being a great editor. Williamborg (Bill) 03:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for both; re the latter, adding less content to the encyclopedia was/is one of my concerns as regards becoming an admin – until Kirsten Bråten-Berg, I hadn't made a significant contribution in months. I suppose, though, it has taken time to start those administrative division-related articles (which still await a final burst of concentrated attention in order to move them into the encyclopedia). There's also much unfinished work on the Commons. So, I'm trying to be wary... Yours, David 10:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Could'nt open the file. Received this message: Windows File Associations Windows Home Pages | This file in your language is not yet available. View the English version. Then I was redirected to an empty site. --Frode Inge Helland 05:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
David, I have just talket to Kirsten. She was in Stavanger and busy, but said she would send me the text to Heiemo and the Water Sprite when she gets back tomorrow. --Frode Inge Helland 16:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Frode,
Thanks for your recent messages, especially the second!
...I guess you mean Image:Kirsten Bråten Berg, accompanied Ale Møller - Heiemo og Nykkjen (opening verse).ogg linked via the {{listen}} template, yes...?  If so, sorry not to be able to help: I'm on a PC, so if I try to download the file I can redirect it to Winamp successfully (and/or save to disk); if I click on the "play in browser" link supplied by the template, I'm taken to the (rudimentary) JOrbisPlayer.php page (http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php) where the file then starts playing – perhaps the problem you're experiencing is because it (appears to) use/s Java...?
...I have just talket to Kirsten. She was in Stavanger and busy, but said she would send me the text to Heiemo and the Water Sprite when she gets back tomorrow.
Now this is a tad more exciting – thanks for your work!  First, please include my thanks if/when you next communicate; and if you do, do you think she'd be interested to respond to any of the following...?:
  • Whether or not her surname includes a hyphen – there seems to be conflicting evidence;
  • (Other) errors, inaccuracies and/or major omissions from her article (excepting the obvious empty "Select discography" section which I intend to populate or perhaps expand if other folk begin first);
  • I really enjoy Heiemo og Nykkjen, but perhaps Kirsten would prefer to be represented by a different audio example...?;
  • I was thinking of uploading and including a "fair use" portrait photo in the article (e.g. the one on the New Albion Records external link, otherwise maybe http://test.kulturtorget.no/images/www/user/464/2004_10517.jpg) but have hesitated as Wikipedia's "fair use" management/policy/acceptability seems to be in flux at present. If Kirsten is happy for such a picture to appear in her article, perhaps she might be able to bypass "fair use" by indicating which she'd prefer and giving her approval for it to appear...?  (I realise she may not be in a position to do so, but...);
  • Back to Heiemo og Nykkjen but away from Wikipedia, I'd begun transcribing the version for voice and synthesizer (from which the audio extract is taken) to create a version for voice/s and (wordless) choir; perhaps she might give her approval and any approval I might need if I were to post the resulting score to a site such as http://www.sibeliusmusic.com...?
I appreciate that any/all the above may be inappropriate/asking too much/etc of you and/or Kirsten; as I confessed to Bill, I'm just being opportunistic!
With best wishes and thanks for your interest and input, David Kernow 16:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
David, I rexceived this letter when I arrived Bergen:
Dette må du nok snakke med Grappa music , Helge Westby om
Helsing
Kirsten B.Berg
In Norwegian: I think you have to talk to Grappa Music, Helge Westby, about this.
The answer is not very encouraging. I will call him, but Grappa Music will maybe be reserved in matters which include copyrights.
Frode
Thanks for this update, Frode!  I assume Kirsten's response is re arranging the music; please don't feel the need to go to any great lengths over it, as it's merely my opportunism. Did Kirsten include a (pointer to a) translation of the lyrics...?  Thanks again for your networking, David (talk) 02:46, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Dave, No, the above citation was all. But I will call Grappa Music. If you could give me a link to the song, I could try write it down and translate it. I take for granted that copy rights will not be violated by presenting the text in WP. --Frode Inge Helland 06:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps Kirsten means we can obtain a translation from Grappa Music. If not, I could email you a low-quality mp3 of the song; the only links to it that I've found are to excerpts. It's ten verses each of four lines, although I think the second line in every verse is identical (in typical folksong style!). I wasn't planning on including the lyrics to the entire song on Wikipedia, although if it is a traditional folksong, this shouldn't be a problem. Yours, David (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Dave, I just received this e-mail from Kirsten:
Det går jo an å kjøpe plata Min Kvedarlund, der er teksten i heftet! Får så mange slike førespurnader, og har ikkje tid til å skrive ned dette. Grappa kan sikkert sende eit ex.
Kirsten Bråten Berg
In Norwegian: "It is as well possible to buy my CD Min Kvedarlund, where the text is enclosed in the cover. I get so many requests like this so do not have time to write it down. Grappa may possibly send a copy of the text.
Kirsten Bråten Berg."
This might not be a dead end after all.
Frode
No, hopefully not; I'm happy for Kirsten's sake that her music is so popular. I'm also happy to purchase the CD she mentions and, if it doesn't carry a translation of the song, send the Norwegian onto yourself – what do you think...?  Regards, David (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
PS It would seem from her message that Kirsten's surname is "Bråten Berg", i.e. without the hyphen, so will amend the article accordingly.
David, I called Grappa Music. Helge Westby was not accessible at present, so I will call back 1300 (Norw. time). I also sent Helge Westby an e-mail, asking for the text. I also permitted myself to ask for permission for you to insert a short sound file as an illustration in the article.

To morrow I am facing approximately seven hours driving back to Ålesund. Si if I get my hands on the text, it may still take some time. --Frode Inge Helland 07:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

David, this e-mail from Grappa Music has arrived today:
"Jeg sender deg teksten pr. post i dag. Den finnes i hefte på platen. Med vennlig hilsen Helge Westbye, Grappa Musikkforlag as, Akersgaten 7, 0158 Oslo, Tlf.: +47 23 35 80 00, Faks: +47 23 35 80 01, Mob : +47 90 55 52 58, e-mail: helge@grappa.no, www.grappa.no, www.grappa.musikkonline.no"
In english:
"I send you the text by mail today. There is text enclosed in the cover. Best regards from Helge Westbye, Grappa Musikkforlag as, Akersgaten 7, 0158 Oslo, Tlf.: +47 23 35 80 00, Faks: +47 23 35 80 01, Mob : +47 90 55 52 58, e-mail: helge@grappa.no, www.grappa.no, www.grappa.musikkonline.no"
I'll have it when I'm back in Ålesund.
Frode
Great! – but please take your time; if you're making that journey on that groovy bike of yours, I guess you might have a sore backside as well as being tired... Yours, David (talk) 18:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

You're a sysop!

Hi, David Kernow/Archive 9, Congratulations on Becoming a Sysop

Hey there. I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator! You've volunteered to do housekeeping duties that normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops can't do a lot of stuff: They can't delete pages just like that (except patent nonsense like "aojt9085yu8;3ou"), and they can't protect pages in an edit war they are involved in. But they can delete random junk, ban anonymous vandals, delete pages listed on Votes for deletion (provided there's a consensus) for more than one week, protect pages when asked to, and keep the few protected pages that exist on Wikipedia up to date.

Almost anything you can do can be undone, but please take a look at The Administrators' how-to guide and the Administrators' reading list before you get started (although you should have read that during your candidacy ;). Take a look before experimenting with your powers. Also, please add Administrators' noticeboard to your watchlist, as there are always discussions/requests for admins there. If you have any questions drop me a message at My talk page. Have fun! =Nichalp «Talk»=

Please also add you name to WP:LA =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I was going to let this carry my thanks to most as I recogniz/se copying thanks to talk pages isn't necessarily appreciated (and many folk such as yourself are very busy) but as the below has intervened, here also is my thanks for your involvement!
Please also add you name to WP:LA
Unfortunately WP:LA causes my browser to crash whenever I try to load it; yes, it's Firefox (v1.0.7) but doesn't have the Google Toolbar installed... Maybe WP:LA might be split into two or more pages...?  Best wishes, David Kernow 23:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations

Successful RfA!

Congratulations for your bigger mop achievement! :-) Best regards.--Húsönd 17:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Yippee!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Congrats! Syrthiss 18:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations : ) - jc37 21:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you,
Thank you,
Thank you
and...
Thank you!
Chuckle (chuckle, chuckle, chuckle...) David Kernow 22:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

(And thank you for my first roflmao of the day : ) - jc37 23:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Administrator-tan

Hi again Kirill,
I couldn't help but notice the picture you included here and though I'm no particular manga/anime fan, thought I'd use it for the above. Thanks for bringing it to light – if you speak any Japanese, please pass on my thanks to Kasuga for his/her fine work!  Yours, David Kernow 00:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but it was actually Kim Bruning who found the picture. (And unfortunately, I don't speak a word of Japanese.) Kirill Lokshin 01:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Oops – thanks for the correction!  I'll repost my message on Kim's talk page. Yours, David 01:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

CfD

Hi Betacommand,
Please visit User talk:Kbdank71#CfD: British Geograph project and comment/update accordingly – thanks!  Regards, David Kernow 03:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

that was my mistake Category:Geograph British Isles images was listed as the new cat but i se it is now striked out I will fix/ Betacommand (talkcontribsBot) 03:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response!  Best wishes, David 03:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Sidebar redesign final vote!

It's that special, special time! No, grandma's not coming over. No, not time to clean out the fridge. It's sidebar redesign voting time! Yes, the community has narrowed it down to 3 different options, and a vote for the same old original sidebar is a choice one could vote for as well. Voting for multiple options is allowed, and discussion on the whole shebang is right there on the vote page itself.

You're probably getting this message because the sidebar fairy (JoeSmack for now) noticed you commented on the project at some time over on at Wikipedia talk:Village pump (proposals)/Sidebar redesign. Lovely. JoeSmack Talk 07:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Need an outside opinion

Please check out these pages:

and

Especially Evrik's talk page (Juan continually blanks his) for discussions of harrassment, and Juan's contributions list (for apparent single focus).

Personally, I'd like to think that Juan is just being a bit overzealous. But it's starting to get to the point where the wrong lines may be being crossed. And you may have to look through page history, because internal wording, and comments have been edited/redefined "after the fact".

Any thoughts you can suggest would be welcome. (Watching your talk page) - jc37 21:53, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi jc37; sorry to see you're witness to a communication breakdown. I think it might be a situation best left to cool down for a few days or weeks, as it involves one of those highly personal and/or emotive areas (religion). Perhaps then a straightforward "Please add * Support or * Oppose followed by at most an optional one-line explanation..." (without the emphasis I've added) might work, if the "one-line only" proviso is upheld. (For the record, of the images shown here, I'd favo/ur 14. Perhaps there might be two steps to finding a consensus, first to identify the group of images most favo/ured, then to identify one image within that group. However, need there be a single image for the award...?)  Yours, David (talk) 01:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  • "...sorry to see you're witness to a communication breakdown." - Me too.
  • Considering the current situation, as it stands, the quote I keep thinking of (which I can't seem to remember where it's from): "What if they gave a war and nobody came?"
  • It looks like evrik is going to allow Juan the "last word" on his talk page, and so far, no one else seems to be interested any more. So I suppose we'll see.
  • As for the "two steps", I tried that, but by that point, things were already devolved to the point of "communication breakdown". I tried several things at various times to try to help diffuse the situation. Time will tell how successful those attempts were, I suppose... And I have to admit, it took me a moment to figure out what this meant. (What/where it specifically referred to.)
  • I agree that 14 would seem to have the best chance for concensus. As far as I know, a wikiproject can have any number of awards. The issue would seem to be that typically (AFAIK) they only have a single barnstar.
  • And finally, thank you very much for your response. I appreciate your thoughts on the matter. I was sitting here trying to think of someone who could help diffuse the situation (if necessary) but would likely not cause the situation to worsen (as such situations can, at times). I came up with a few names (of which you were one), and you had the "dubious" honour of being the first to appear on my watchlist.
Thanks again : ) - jc37 02:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Helping out with the backlog

Hi there and congratulations on your brand new sysop flag. Now that you are an admin, you might want to help the community in a way you weren't able to before. The obvious example is clearing out the Category:Administrative backlog :-) You might want to start with Wikipedia:Requested moves which I find the easiest to deal with. If you have any questions, just drop me a note! Enjoy! :-) --Dijxtra 09:05, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite above – is it a subst:ed template...?  I'll continue my occasional WP:RM updating and intend to start closing and actioning old WP:CfDs, but I'm also wishing to spend more of my Wikipedia time adding content to the encyclopedia. Best wishes, David Kernow (talk) 22:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
No, it's not a template, it's a good old copy/paste ;-) The intention of the message is not to avert you from expanding our encyclopedia, but to make you aware of the tasks... a sporadic and casual action on abmin backlog is just fine... because if every of our 1000 admins spent just 1 minute a day clearing backlogs, we'd have no backlogs at all ;-) --Dijxtra 10:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Good point!  Thanks for your reply. Yours, David (talk) 01:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk like a pirate day

Happy International Talk Like a Pirate Day!

Ahoy, me hearty! How 'bout a good ol' jug o' grog? Reg-Arrr-ds Húsönd 13:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Why thank 'ee, me ol' shipmate o' mine, for yon timely reminderrrr and wishes – A-harr! A-harrrr! A-<coff> <coff> <splutter> ... I say, this pirate-talk is jolly hard work on one's throat, isn't it, wot?
Chuckles, David (talk) 22:08, 19 September 2006 (UTC)