User talk:Daryou

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[edit] Welcome

"Welcome!

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If you have any questions, see the help pages, ask at the Village pump, or feel free to ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!" -- Svest 19:50, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Google groups

Hi Daryou. What's your email address so I can invite you first to a Gmail account. Pls, reply below this message. Cheers Svest 07:02, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

HI, I have already a Gmail (daryous AT gmail.com). Justin has created a WS Google Group with me as second member. Give him your Gmail so that he can invite you. And what about Asterion and Zach? Thanks. Daryou 17:25, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Daryou, I'll do so. I'll take care of Zach. I'll ask Justin for Asterion. Cheers Svest 19:51, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. Dmcdevit·t 21:45, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Email

Hi Daryou. I can't email you from Wikipedia as you don't have an email declared in WP. This is mine, send me a greeting card when you can (Szvest at Gmail). Svest 00:29, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanx for the Dromadaire card ;-) I appreciate it. I wanted to send you an animated card but my flatmate is sleeping at the living room (being totally drunk after a long discussion with him because he came back driving) and I don't want to bother him in order to avoid his long tongue. - Svest 00:29, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Flags & stuff

No, you know very well that we don't agree on this, and that there are others who do not agree with you either. I say again: please, please refrain from any major or controversial changes until we're done discussing. Arre 02:17, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

What are you doing with the Western Sahara template? How can you imagine, after all this discussion, that its okay for you to change Western Sahara flags into Moroccan flags, all over Wikipedia? Incredible. Arre 05:21, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

I can't remember accusing you of lying. I have accused you of destroying pages rather than editing them, and I have accused you of acting dishonestly by pretending to be interested in mediation and discussion, but at the same time making radically POV changes in the hope of not being noticed. You being Moroccan has nothing to do with it, you ruining hard work I put in to make these pages better, longer and more informative has everything to do with it. As for the apparently very important issue of how many days Justin/Koaf stayed at the UN, that's a debate you're the only participant in. Don't involve me. Arre 09:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Have you ever read my previous post? I don't think so. Did you check the WS politics template history ? Did you see by your self that I didn't do what you are accusing me of? Why don't you recognize your fault?
  • I said that Koavf accused me of lying, but I provided evidence that he lyied about his UN affair. Provide me evidence that "I'm acting dishonestly by pretending to be interested in mediation and discussion".
  • Arre, I never accused you. What you are doing is intimidation and personal attacks. It doesn't comply with WP principles. Daryou 00:11, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Western Sahara

I didn't restore the SADR flag, somebody else did. We could make it more neutral by adding a text with the flag (I'll do that). A fact is that the SADR is recognized by a lot of, but certainly not all of countries. The flag here doesn't mean a recognition of the SADR. 17:16, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

BTW, the CIA World Factbook is not a neutral source, since it is an USA official agency. Electionworld 21:27, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
WS is a territory disputed between Morocco and Polisario front (and SADR isnt cecognized by the international community neither its flag), the conflict is now between the hands of the UN who tries to resolve it, I think that displaying this flag in a neutral encyclopedia like WP is a pro-polisario stance. And I was thinking that the USA was neutral in this affair? Cheers. Daryou 00:13, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Party names

Could you add romanized forms of the party names in Morocco in Arabic? Electionworld 17:16, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Done Daryou 00:13, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Western Sahara Infobox/Option 2

Please take this out of article space. Forks of articles (or infoboxes) are not acceptable. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:31, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

But it's still a fork in article space. It should either be on a Talk page or as a subpage in User space. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:44, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Western Sahara Infobox/2nd Option works. Thanks. User:Zoe|(talk) 00:10, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Aid Mubarak

Hi Daryou. I was dealing with the vote when I just received your message. Thanks for the notice that the vote has started. I had already casted my 4 votes. Cheers -- Svest 20:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up™

Yeah! So cool as a greeting card. I did forward it indeed to some of my pals as well. They would love it. -- Svest 21:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Daryou. Thanks for your message, I'll have a look at the vote. --Khalid hassani 02:12, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] changes in the Sahrawi article

ah, right, i almost forgot about that. i was a little exhausted after our debate, so i didn't do it rightaway :-) but i'll get to it. Arre 18:14, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

yep, i just looked them over briefly. some of it is good, but i'm not completely happy with other things. i will make some changes based on your edit, and hopefully we can then agree. i will also look at your complaints on the polisario page and other pages (i haven't seen your changes yet, but i will look later). possibly i can do it all tonight, but right now i really have to run. ilaa al-liqaa' :-) Arre 18:48, 13 November 2005 (UTC).

[edit] Template:Politics of Western Sahara

You appear to have broken the WP:3RR. - FrancisTyers 22:50, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Sorry, I blocked you by accident. Please try to use other methods to solve the dispute than an edit war, though. Hedley 22:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I was mistaken, sorry about that. - FrancisTyers 22:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, will reply on talk page. - FrancisTyers 23:03, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I've just protected Independence Intifada, another article that there's an edit war on right now, with yourself and the same user. I'll look into what it's about, but West Saharan politics (which I think is the subject) isn't something I know much about. Hedley 23:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

As for my opinion, I think the entire argument is a bit stupid (to be honest). I really don't see what relevance the flag shown has, and showing both messes up the appearance of an infobox. As long as the content of the article is neutral, the flag shown should just follow conventions that are on the other articles. Hedley 23:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
The best thing to do, then, is to remove both of the flags. Hedley 23:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Hi Daryou! Merci for your kind support on my RfA. -- Szvest 17:29, 25 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up™

[edit] Western Sahara

Hi, I've replied on my talk page. - FrancisTyers 20:19, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Western Sahara/infobox

No, and I've stated why several times. There's more than SADR to Western Sahara's politics, so it is not only a case of "SADR politics". Having both flags could be an option, but that would require the same on the Moroccan template (which I know you oppose). Arre 15:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

But thanks a lot for the Christmas card :-) And have a happy new year! kull 'aam wa-anta bi-khayr Arre 16:30, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey man, could you come and give your opinion on the page moves. If there is a tie then I think we should send the matter for RfC. - FrancisTyers 16:34, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Reply from my talkpage.

  • You didn't give the impression you wanted no flags, when you inserted the Moroccan flag. Whichever way, this is two debates: first, which infobox should that page have (and should it be one or two infoboxes?) - second, how should the infoboxes for Morocco, Western Sahara and (possibly) the Sahrawi republic look? Please, let's discuss this at the appropriate talk pages instead.
  • I don't quite agree, but even if I did, I can't see how this is related to what we are discussing. If you mean that WS is not synonmous with SADR, that is correct. Which is exactly why I want to have a Western Sahara infobox, and not (only) a Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic infobox. Possibly we could have both, although it seems kind of messy.
  • It is not a question of what is disputed by whom. It is a question of recognizing the existence of distinctly Western Saharan political events or not. You stated that there is no such thing as "Western Sahara politics". This can only mean that the WS politics (obviously there are political activities specifically related to this territory, such as the Indp Intifada) must be covered in either a Morocco or a SADR framework, since we have to address them somehow. If we are to keep the flags at all for these infoboxes - which you insisted on - then your edit with both Moroccan and Sahrawi flags in the WS infobox is correct, since the events in WS involves Morocco. But then the WS flag must consequently also go in the Morocco page, since Moroccan politics just as clearly involves matters of political importance to Western Sahara. That does not mean that the Sahrawis dispute the existence of Morocco, only that WS politics are by necessity part of Moroccan politics, if WS politics are to be considered part of Moroccan politics. If A=B, then B=A. Both flags, if any flag.
  • Merry Christmas to you too!
Arre 02:32, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for replying on my talk page, but as I said, I'll stick to debating this on the relevant pages only. There's no point to us having a parallel user page debate on the same issues. Hope you agree! Peace, Arre 22:37, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page moves

You can check out how they are going here and add your own opinion :)

- FrancisTyers 19:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Looks like these aren't going to happen. It would be nice if there was more input, only 4 people voted so far. Perhaps you could put a request or RfC out for more input on this. - FrancisTyers 17:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

You were right, I've added the Moroccan flag. Is that satisfactory? :) - FrancisTyers 19:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal talk:Western Sahara/Intro

Please come and cite your sources :) I'm amazed that you only seem to be disagreeing on two things! And yet the text was very different :s - FrancisTyers 22:33, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, just to let you know that although I am from England I have both British and Irish citizenship. I'd like to point out that the situation in Northern Ireland is very different than the situation in Western Sahara. Enough to make any comparison you might forward fairly meaningless. I could go through the differences and explain why this is the case if you would like. - FrancisTyers 17:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I didn't see any reliable neutral sources that say Northern Ireland is under military occupation. There was a Sinn Féin source that stated this. But that would be like me giving a Polisario source saying Western Sahara was under military occupation. I did not do this. I gave three sources. One from Amnesty, and two international lawyers who testified at the UN. If you can find equally neutral sources for Northern Ireland being under military occupation then I will consider taking this further. - FrancisTyers 17:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your message, but you left out the context. I could find plenty of neutral sources that say Tibet is under military occupation, I probably couldn't find one that says California is under military occupation and I could only find Sinn Féin sources that say NI is under military occupation.
I have found neutral sources that say Western Sahara is under military occupation. The ball is in your court. Stick to the argument. As an aside, I support a United Ireland so I think you may be barking up the wrong tree with the NI references ;) - FrancisTyers 17:51, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Politics. For the same reason they didn't call the Rwandan genocide a genocide for a long time. You should read this and think. The Wikipedia does not have to panda to certain points of view just because they are recognised states. The UN does. I think I explained this before. - FrancisTyers 18:08, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll edit it now. - FrancisTyers 20:09, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WS

Hi, I've already responded :) I've restored some of your edits and copied others to the talk page. I will go through now and see what I can do. I see you speak French-4, if you have time could you look over a translation I've been trying to get through: Pierre-Joseph Proudhon/Temp from fr:Pierre_Joseph_Proudhon. The 'life and work' section I haven't bothered with yet, but your advice, edits and copyediting would be greatly appreciated. My French sucks, but then so does the current article :) Thanks - FrancisTyers 22:13, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Eid Moubarak

So nice from you Daryou!!! I'am waiting for my Gmail stuff to work. It sounds like an electronic machine. It seems horrible and i like it!!! Eid moubarak! And see you sson in Casablanca. I'll try to get who you are when i'm there. Cheers -- Szvest 01:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up™

[edit] Parliament of Morocco

Hey Daryou. Eid Mabrouk :-) Do you mind having a look on the Parliament of Morocco? I just created it, it's very basic, but perhaps you could add something. Arre 00:09, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What in the world are you doing?

===>Blatantly ignoring the pages At Template:WesternSahara-stub, you're being irrational, at List of sovereign states, you contradicted the intro to the article, and at Flag of Western Sahara, you moved it without consensus to an ungrammatical name. What in the world is going on here? If you don't stop it, I'm going to have to refer an administrator to you. Justin (koavf) 22:42, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Can't you discuss without resorting to personal attacks and intimidation???!!!! I responded in your talk page. Daryou 23:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] w. sahara flag

Hi I see the debate is still continuing. I commented on flag of SADR -- Astrokey44|talk 23:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Foreign relations of Western Sahara

Ok, I made another request on the talk page for sources. Did you have any luck finding the originals for the arab[ic]news items? - FrancisTyers 23:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Green March

Hey man, Koavf has asked me to mediate on this page, are you happy with this? - FrancisTyers 12:18, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Still waiting for Koavf to reply to the compromises on the table before we continue with the rest of the disputed points. - FrancisTyers 17:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, if he doesn't respond within a couple of days (leave a note on his talk page) then I will unprotect the page. - FrancisTyers 18:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Unprotected. - FrancisTyers 07:08, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Salam

How can you be a chess player and a muslim at the same time? :)Chaldean 06:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Well when I grew up in Iraq, chess was very much forbidden, so I didn't get the change to learn it until lately within the last 5 years. I love playing it :). Back home, we mainly used to play backgammon, in the streets, where we made the board with chalk, and used rocks as pieces :D. Anyways, I always thought it was very much forbidden, at least that is what I was told when I was in Iraq. Chaldean 14:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{User Western Sahara}}

===>Huh? Saying that a userbox isn't used is not a valid reason to delete it. That way, it will never be used. Do you care to explain why you keep on deleting it? -Justin (koavf), talk 14:54, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

===>Hello? Is there a reason why you apparently just ignored me? -Justin (koavf), talk 20:54, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

===>Hi :) You can respond here or here if you're confused. You can e-mail me or even call. In fact, there is even a page dedicated just to discussing things without deleting them, and another one, too! Do you need more help? Cheers. -Justin (koavf), talk 22:29, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

You can't discuss without resorting to personal attacks. So I don't feel any need for such a disscussion. Daryou 22:45, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

===>Aw :( That's a personal attack, and it hurts my feelings. -Justin (koavf), talk 22:48, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't care. Daryou 22:49, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
And which personal attck are you talking about? Anyway don't cry. I really don't care. Daryou 23:17, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] vote

Je viens de voter. A bientot! Dark side 18:10, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Western Sahara

First of all, read this. Second of all, the 3RR is a guideline. I may block Koavf after reviewing the evidence or I may not. I've added a discussion section on the talk page I would encourage you to respond. Thirdly I notice you reverting against consensus without discussion on the talk page, this is a bit of a faux pas. - FrancisTyers 21:32, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, but Koavf wasn't the only one reverting to his version. If you had a dispute you should have first changed it and then taken it to the talk page not got involved in an edit war. - FrancisTyers 21:36, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Apologies, see my comments on the talk page. I will unprotect the page now. - FrancisTyers 21:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Human rights

Hi, I reverted your edit because of the large scale removal of information without justification on the talk page. I have requested that the personal attacks be stopped and civility be adhered to on Talk:Western Sahara. I appreciate that you sense some injustice is being done, but really I can't be everywhere all the time. If you think I'm missing something I appreciate that you notify me by email or on my talk page, but please don't presume that just because I haven't acted I have taken a conscious decision not to act. I'm really not taking sides here but I'm not monitoring either of your edits so I may miss things from time to time :) - FrancisTyers 23:31, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sahara

I made a more neutral ápporach by creating a Sahara conflict template. Electionworld = Wilfried (talk 18:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SARD Flag

It is the consequence of the template being about the SARD and not about western sahara. Electionworld = Wilfried (talk 21:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

The name of the series has now been changed too. Electionworld = Wilfried (talk 20:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Western Sahara

I appologize but due to my lack of knowledge in this area I feel I can not make such a vote. -Zer0fighta 01:57, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Western Sahara Vote

Sorry, but for the reasons so eloquently stated by Zer0fighta, I cannot vote. - Morios 03:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] لماذا أغلق التصويت

من حدد موعد إغلاق التصويت؟--Tarawneh 17:46, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translation request

Hello, I saw that you are a native speaker of Arabic, so I would like to ask you if you could take a look at 2003 invasion of Iraq and Iraq War. There is a featured article in Arabic which we would like to know how it could be used the English one which is of course dominated by people who have either been there as soldiers or have their knowledge from western media. Someone also asked if the section about "related propaganda and phrases" could be amplified with information about the Iraqi side. Maybe there are also people who took photos in Iraq at the Arabic version? I saw you like to play chess. If you want we can have a game at FICS. Nameme 14:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi, this might interest you too

I have tagged this Free Zone (region) NPOV too, especially the map, there is no evidence that the polisario controls this area, it is rather a ceassfire no man's land--Khalid hassani 13:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia:Wikiethics

Hi,

We started a proposal Wikipedia:Wikiethics to state the existing policies coherently and make suggestions on improving the editorial standards in Wiki. I thought you might be interested in contributing to that proposal.

Unfortunately, a pro-porn and pro-offense lobby is trying to make this proposal a failure. They unilaterally started an approval poll although almost no one including me believe that it is time for a vote, simply because the policy is not ready. It is not even written completely.

Editors who thinks that the policy needs to be improved rather than killed by an unfair poll at the beginning of the proposal, started another poll ('Do we really need a poll at this stage?') at the same time. The poll is vandalized for a while but it is stable now. A NO vote on this ('Do we really need a poll now?') poll will strengthen the position of the editors who are willing to improve the ethics policy further.

If you have concerns about the ethics and editorial standards in Wiki, please visit the page Wikipedia:Wikiethics with your suggestions on the policy. We have two subpages: Arguments and Sections. You might want to consider reviewing these pages as well...

Thanks in advance. Resid Gulerdem 21:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contact

Hi Daryou,

Sory to do it this way. I tried to contact but without suscess. Although I am logged in the system wants me to logg in in order to send emails.

Can you send me an email? Thanks wikima 21:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Islam

Hi there, The Islam template is used in all Islam related articles and it carries an image of the mosque, if you take a close look at the other religion templates they all carry an icon that actually symbolizes the particular religion. The question is what symbolizes Islam? As a muslim you would agree that we cannot Idolize any symbol as sacred as it would be Shirk. So the next question is what kind of icon would correctly represent Islam and Muslims? It is undoubtedly the Shahada, because without it we wouldn't be muslims. So I have suggested to change the template image from a masjid to a Masjid with the Shahada in it. In order to have the image in the template I need build some consense, could you kindly visit the talk page (Template_talk:Islam) and make your suggestion, lets have the template change so it will correctly represent Islam. (You do not have to support it if you dont like it). thanks in advance.  «₪Mÿš†íc₪»  (T) 10:50, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ICANN Wikipedians needed!

Hello Daryou,

We are running a wiki called ICANNwiki. As you might know ICANN is the organization that assigns the Top Level Domanins for the Internet. The ICANNwiki is documenting what is happening at the ICANN meetings.

The next ICANN meeting is the week of June 26th in in Marrakech. Would you be interested in taking notes in some of the meetings and posting them with us on ICANNwiki?

If you are please let me know at wiki@alpinepockets.com and I'll get you more information.

Thanks

Dan

Dmendell 22:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template Talk:WesternSahara-stub

Your opinion would be welcome at the ongoing straw poll. Thanks, --E Asterion u talking to me? 11:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

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