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[edit] Germany

Revised the number of Danes in Germany up to 150,000 as the previous number 50,000 only covers the Danish minority in Schleswig and the total number of ethnic Danes in all of Germany must be much larger then that. Probably this is on the low side, but as with most non-immigration-based nations, getting ancestry data in Germany is quiet difficult. Justpedersen 03:35, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed the entry. Guessing at numbers in an encyclopedia helps nobody.--Per Abrahamsen 19:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australia

revised the number of Danes in Australia down from 500,000 to 100,000 based on census data. Justpedersen 03:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Before and in World War II (1939 - 1945) the Danish nationalism was in opposition to
Nazi Germany and anti-racist because Nazism was racist. The occupying Nazi Germany had  
any influenced because the government and administration was all Danish by only few Danish nazist.      
In 1943 Nazi Germany want the Danish Jew to Germany, nearly Danish was against that,
and help the Jews to Sweden.

why delete this text?

I didn't delete the text, but I'm not sure any of the claims are true. Not realy false either. They are a particular point of view we adopted after the war, because it was comforting internally, and politically convenient externally. Everybody wants to be the hero of their own story.--Per Abrahamsen 08:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 1,430,000 million danes in the USA?

The box needs to be edited so it doesn't suggest that there are 1,430,000 million danes in the USA. Or is there someting I don't know?


The information is inaccurate on many points, and should be revised.

I commented out all the minority estimates that didn't have references. The numbers look to me very arbitrary, and the Danish minority in Germany was almost an order of magnitude off compared to the nyumber given in Germany. No numbers are better than wrong numbers (and no, an "est." does not excuse an order of magnitude error).--Per Abrahamsen 13:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I also think that 1.5 million "descendants" sounds a bit questionable. After 4-5 generations most of their Danish heritage must have faded away. However, I read somewhere on wikipedia, that there are about 40 million Americans who define themselves as being "of Irish origin". I believe those people are actually as far from their emigrating ancestors' culture, as other American-Europeans. Medico80 16:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Picture

Who is the guy in the picture? Is he Danish and does he have a name? CambridgeBayWeather 00:16, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Now that the personal picture has been removed-- and thank you for doing it-- was there a plan for what picture, if any, should be in the box? In my opinion having the text saying "Image" will just invite someone else to put in a picture of something else. --SFDan 13:58, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I've added a picture of Hans Christian Andersen from the Commons but what is needed is something similar to what is show at English people. CambridgeBayWeather 15:21, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Yes, the English people picture is pretty good. So how about nominating some people for a Danish version - we can just cut/paste from the pics in Commons. I think Hans Christian Andersen and Niels Bohr are dead give-aways. Then, to be different, how about Peter Schmeichel/Michael Laudrup? A viking, Christian IV, Christian IX, Margrethe II, Bertel Thorvaldsen, or Johannes V. Jensen - or someone/thing completely different. The Little Mermaid? HCA pic, Bohr pic. Poulsen 23:24, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Karen Blixen is the most famous dead Danish woman. The most famous living Danish woman is Katja Kean. But I think pictures of her cost money. Søren Kierkegaard and Tycho Brahe would be #3 and #4 in the dead male Danes hit list. Among living Danes, Lars von Trier and Viggo Mortensen are significantly more famous than the rest of us. That is using google hits as a measure, and ignoring peoplewho work with computers (who tend to get lots of Google hits). My suggestion would be to add Karen Blixen, Søren Kierkegaard, and maybe Viggo Mortensen. And of course, HCA and NB as you suggested. --Per Abrahamsen 22:08, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Alright, as I see it: HCA, Kierkegaard - Bohr/Blixen/Brahe. Bohr and Blixen are in almost identical periods of time, with Brahe representing a whole different period than any of the others. Furthermore HCA, Kierkegaard and Blixen would make three authors (in one form or another) - but, as you mention, short of Katja K, it would be good to represent Danish women with Blixen. I can't make up my mind. Of course we might just use five (or three) images.Poulsen 22:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

(Fair use images: Image:Dogville 098-27c.jpg Image:LOTRROTKmovie.jpg)

I think we need Blixen due to gender and hca because he probably is the embodiment of Denmark in the eyes of the rest of the world. Even if that is two authors. I'd like one contemporary, and Viggo is the one most will recognize, especially younger people. He is also a Dane of heritage, rather than citizenship, and it is nice for this particular article which makes a point of the difference. I'd select Tycho as the fourth because he is from another time period. This, sadly, means goodbye to Bohr, who by far is my personal hero of the lot. However, we already have a scientist (Brahe) and a person from the period (Blixen). Leaving out Kierkegaard hurts too, but HCA is soo much more recognizable. So Tycho, HCA, Blixen and Viggo would be my suggestion.--Per Abrahamsen 08:19, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Come to think of it, how about NFS Grundtvig? He is far from the most recognized Dane abroad, but he probably has done more than anyone else to shape the peculiar Danish national identity.--Per Abrahamsen 08:19, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I'ld like to hear some more opinions before deciding.Poulsen 11:23, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Not HCA, precisely because he is probably the best known outside of Denmark. I think that it would be better to show less well known people, thus informing. I would like to suggest Vitus Bering or Knud Johan Victor Rasmussen (look at where I live). If you want someone who is more contemporary then why not go with Bjarne Riis, Peter Schmeichel, Bjarne Stroustrup or (only as a last resort) Lars Ulrich.
I've slowly begun mixing some images together, though nothing fancy. If anybody knows how to do pretty graphics, they're more than welcome to throw a few minutes into a good image :) Poulsen 22:01, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Roman-Catholic

I know there is a small Roman-Catholic community in Denmark, but does it consists of ethnic Danes? Too a larger degree than ther other religious minorities, like jews or moslems? Or scientologists, or Jehovas Witnesses and whatever?

I'd expect most of the roman catholics to be not completely assimilated immigrants and decendans, rather than remnents of the pre-reformation catholic community.--Per Abrahamsen 20:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Danish descenters

There are some descenters of Danish origen in the US. But what about those after the Treaty of Roskilde in the 16 Centery? Where the Danish provinces of Scania, Halland and Blekinge was given to Sweden.

They have been subjected to a rather heavy-handed, if incomplete, swedification. I believe their official status is a seperate Swedish minority, rather than as a Danish minority in Sweden.--Per Abrahamsen 17:05, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
The Skåne region (the terriority in question) has a unique regional identity, claiming to be neither Swedish nor Danish. Almost to the point, the flag of Skåne is a yellow cross over a red background and thus a perfect mix of the Swedish yellow over blue and the Danish white over red. Justpedersen 23:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Danes a Germanic people?

This article is included in the category Germanic peoples along with other modern national groups (Swedes, English, Dutch), although no source is given for the claims. I nominated the category for deletion - see its entry here - because it includes modern groups under a historical term (Roman period to mediaeval). The category is being used for a political agenda, to promote the idea that ethnic groups and nations in north-west Europe are "Germanic". That claim is typically associated with neo-nazi groups, for the association of the term Germanic peoples with Nazism, see Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Lebensraum, and for instance Hitler salute. As with the Swedes, the issue here is also whether Danes describe themselves as a "Germanic people".Paul111 20:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

You do not have to place the exact same message on every talkpage which falls into the Germanic peoples category. 1 is enough.Rex 21:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I have often heard Danes being described as Germanic people, and never with any nazi-connotations. I believe it has most to do with language, learning another one of the Germanic languages is a lot easier than learning a Latin-based or Slavic language.--Per Abrahamsen 09:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I have unfortunaltely engaged this person in discussion of this topic at Talk:Norwegian people. Paul has placed a disputed tag on the article itself because he disputes the Norwegians being a Germanic people. Are the Swedes, Danes and Norwegians Germanic peoples? If not what are they? Any contribution is helpfull.Inge 14:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lutheranism? What?

I think there must be some mistake here. Can we verify this somehow? The majority of Danes are atheists and protestant as far as I know, but I can't seem to find a lot of evidence that supports either. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.81.84.207 (talk) 13:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

83.1%[1] of the Danish citizens are members of the state church, which is both Lutheran and protestant. I'd expect the number to be higher among ethnic Danes than among Danish citizens. Most Danes are not very religious though. --Per Abrahamsen 16:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
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