Talk:Dancing with the Stars (US TV series)
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I'm thinking of listing the cast for season one in alphabetical order, and then listing elimination order separately, then listing the season two cast alphabetically, with the elimination order separate. Does anyone have an objection? --JamesB3 02:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Just so it was easier to tell on the chart when a couple was elimated, I dashed out the score boxes for the weeks after the couple was eliminated. My only question is why are some scores in the table boldfaced? I don't see it explained anywhere. Dwp49423 01:38, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Season 2 outcome revealed early
It's worth pointing out, but I'm not sure how to work this in, that Stacy's elimination in the final episode revealed the winner at that point. This is because the judges order was { 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Drew, Stacy, Jerry }, meaning 3 points for Drew, 2 for Stacy, 1 for Jerry.
There are only six possible viewer vote outcomes. Having Stacy leave ruled out four of them:
{ 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Drew, Stacy, Jerry }
{ 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Stacy, Jerry, Drew }
{ 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Stacy, Drew, Jerry }
None of these happened; Jerry would have left when Stacy did.
{ 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Jerry, Stacy, Drew }
This 3-way tie didn't happen; Drew would have left when Stacy did, and the trophy have gone to Jerry.
That leaves only two outcomes, with Drew winning either way:
{ 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Jerry, Drew, Stacy }
If this happened, Drew won with 5 points. Jerry 4, Stacy 3.
{ 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Drew, Jerry, Stacy }
If this happened, Drew won with 6 points. Jerry 3 with the popular vote, and Stacy 3.
Feel free to use the above for the main article if it helps. Marc W. Abel
[edit] Fan voting
Is it really so surprising or controversial that the fan (viewer) vote has so much latitude on this program? The elimination of Willa Ford wasn't totally unexpected (although it came at a time when she has improved to be of a similar skill level as Joey Lawrence or Mario Lopez, e.g.). She was in the bottom 3/bottom 2 in the first two weeks. I wasn't happy with the elimination, but I don't think it was inherently controversial either. In my opinion, the elimination of Vivica A. Fox previously was more surprising. And also, in my opinion, I am very surprised by Sara Evans' fan base that has kept her out of the bottom two; I haven't even heard of her before this program.
But this is a reality show where viewers have the most power to advance contestants. This is not a professional dance competition or a program like Star Search where judges have the only say. DWTS is in the same vein as So You Think You Can Dance, American Idol and America's Got Talent in viewer voting, but the judges' vote is also taken into consideration. With the new forumla for season 3 (which should be sourced), a 3-point difference between the top score and the bottom (27 and 24, translated to 14.92% and 13.26% in percentages) means that the viewer vote has more power in determining who advances than the judges. I have surmised that people like Willa Ford, Shanna Moakler, and Tucker Carlson, and from season 2 Kenny Mayne, Tatum O'Neal, Giselle Fernandez, and Tia Carrere don't have such a strong fan base as others. But that is my opinion, and I cannot claim that the preceding and the popularity of other stars is a controversy in itself. So to sum up, the DWTS competition is not controlled solely by the judges, and any issues involving viewer voting are to be expected and are not controversial.
All the sections about controversies over voting should be verified and have sources. Otherwise, the sections could be considered original research and may be deleted prudently. I don't want to be the one that has to find sources, nor do I want to delete the sections unless I have to. Tinlinkin 07:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Well what I did now is take out the word "controversy" because that isn't the right word for the situation. I tried to fix that section up. (anonymous). 25 October 2006.
- Good thinking! That was such a simple solution. "Controversy" was indeed too strong a word, but the fan influence was present and surprising. The section is now more neutral. Tinlinkin 11:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Voting systems fail at season 3 finals!
I don't know how to "cite" this, but the phone lines were busy last night and I couldn't vote. And all my efforts to vote online produced "server too busy" messages. I've seen some forums to this effect also, for example http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/49464/#comments posted by djdzia. Marc W. Abel 23:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- Reality TV Magazine seems to be cover the various controversies pretty well,[1] including the recent TV Guide controversy.[2] If you don't want to bother with footnotes and Wikipedia:Citation templates, you can just use simple inline links. Dancter 23:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
^^^^^^^^It is true what is said above^^^^^^^^ I also tried to call in at 1-800-vote4-07 for mario, but it was busy! They should make sure that its possible to get through. I remember one week I tried 9 times and it was busy. I even waited for a while to see if the business would clear up. Is audiance voting better???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.92.34.166 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Since when are busy signals a "controversy???" If they were, then every single weekly American Idol vote of the last five seasons should be considered equally "controversial" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.186.109.106 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well, if you checked the first page I linked to, the issue was said to be more than just busy signals. Dancter 23:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Splits
While I agree with the proposed splits in principle, they should be done so that the main page (this article) provides a good and substantial overview of the series. I don't have the time to commit to this at the moment. Tinlinkin 15:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you would split season 3 on its own and leave the other 2 here. It's no more in depth than the other two. -(anonymous), 18 November 2006
- I never said "split season 3 on its own." I supported splitting all the seasons. But I get your point about length. Sure, this reality show won't likely be as detailed a show as So You Think You Can Dance (unless someone really wants it that way), but there is more prose in this article than with the parent article Dancing with the Stars and with the original series Strictly Come Dancing. If I were to split right now, I would immediately split off seasons 2 and 3. But I would also compose some nice summaries in their place. Tinlinkin 06:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
