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Why is Dan Quayle redirected here? We don't have the main pages at William Jefferson Clinton or James Earl Carter, Jr.. Isn't it Wikipedia policy to keep article names at the most common version? RickK 20:39, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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What does Dan do these days? this article does not tell us. Kingturtle 08:04, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 second lady 2 information 3 Name 4 image 5 Image:Danquayle.jpg 6 Murphy Brown business 7 Law School 8 Vice Presidency: NPOV? 9 1996 Presidential election 10 Dan Quayle and phlebitis 11 Early political career 12 May 1991 13 Serious question 14 Potatoe incident 15 Hobbies 16 Avoiding the Draft 17 Early life statement 18 Handcuffed naked to a pole? What??

[edit] second lady

Polish wikipedia has an article about Marilyn Quayle, but english not

[edit] information

Pheeeb!

Dan Quayle owns, dawg! [[User:I<3Danforth]] 12:21, 20 Dec 2004.

I like to use the name Dan Qauyle when I play online games. --216.45.139.148 01:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name

According to Mr. Quayle's memoirs, his full name is James Danforth Quayle. Not James Danforth Quayle III.

Sincerely

User:Sara 10:23, 28 Nov 2004

To III or not to III.

I agree about the name. According to the elder Quayle's obituaries [1], [2], [3], Dan Quayle's father was James C. Quayle, so the former VPOTUS could not by convention be called James Danforth Quayle III. Great Scott 21:37, 8 Jul 2005.

If Quayle had a grandfather or uncle who was James Danforth Quayle II (or Jr.), then he would, by convention, be James Danforth Quayle III.

[edit] image

Chris, The image of Dan Quayle that you want to use is credited to Carl Cox, and his website says "Copyright © 2003 Carl Cox". We will need to get an authorization from Mr. Cox to allow us to use the image.

We have to be very careful about copyrights. We need to err on the side of caution always.

Sincerely, Kingturtle 04:00, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

• Excellent that you have an email for verification. I assume it is from carl at carlcoxphoto dot com. Could you please place a copy of it on Image:Danquayle.jpg. Thanks! Kingturtle 04:17, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

In any case, Wikipedia-specific permission is inferior, for the purposes of a free-as-in-speech encyclopedia, to a public domain or other free image. Reverted to freer image. Martin 22:48, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Little progress has been made since protection. We have permission to use both images. A compromise solution is to use both. Unprotecting, but please discuss changes here! Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 17:02, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia-specific permission is not enough. We are building a free encyclopedia, and the non-free images should be deleted, as we have viable replacements. Anthony DiPierro 17:13, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Someone re-protected the page, on the free version. I think this is the correct version to protect on - Anthony has put forward his reasons on this talk page, whilst Chris doesn't appear to have contributed to the talk page at all. Chris - can you get permission to use that photo under the GFDL? If so, the problem goes away. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 09:02, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I certainly think that Chris really must come here to discuss the matter. I'm concerned that he doesn't understand the importance to us of being a free encyclopedia. Martin 18:39, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Danquayle.jpg

From what I gather in my conversation with Anthony in IRC, Anthony maintains that Image:Danquayle.jpg needs to be released to Wikipedia under GFDL. If someone could contact the owner of the image and get a GFDL release, maybe edit wars over this issue would cease. Keep in mind, taking such action could be a waste of time, because other problems/complaints about Image:Danquayle.jpg might be voiced/expressed by editors later. Kingturtle 19:06, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Murphy Brown business

Hi Gazpacho - some notes on the Murphy Brown changes that I made.

1. Quayle wasn't criticizing an episode of the show, he was criticizing the character herself and I changed the text to reflect that.
2. You are right to emphasize that the murphy brown business was incidental in a larger speech, I added "in an aside" for this purpose
3. The actual quote is only a sentence long, I don't see why we can't include it since it is the most historically significant part of the speech and since it describes what Quayle said better than we can.
4. "commentators and late night TV hosts mocked Quayle's remark (out of context) for supposedly confusing fiction and reality." Although I agree that we should specifically say what they were criticizing, this feels way too POV to me.
5. Lets compromise and say that the speech and the media's response damaged the GOP ticket. I don't think it was 100% the media's fault.

GabrielF 16:53, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hello even though Quaile can't spell my name I stopped by to help. Rather than retype what I wrote before (which probably should have gone here instead), Please see my other comment in the Vice Presidency: NPOV? section. By the way, any comment about expanding the Murphy Brown business to its own little section? Mashed Potato

[edit] Law School

While serving in the Guard, he earned a law degree in 1974 at Indiana University School of Law - Indianapolis through an experimental program intended to offer "equal opportunity" to minorities, the economically disadvantaged and other students of different viewpoints and backgrounds.

Since when has Quayle been a minority? It doesn't sound like he was particularly "economically disadvataged," nor do I see how his background is notable. (I don't know quite what the "different viewpoints" is supposed to mean.) Quayle may have went to law school at the same time as this program started, but I don't see how he would have benefited from it. Does anyone know anything about this? --BDD 20:00, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I always thought the Guard paid for it.--User:Sara 7:58, 14 July 2005

I attended IU School of Law-Indy, and I believe Wiki is referring to the CLEO program (Conference for Legal Opportunity). The program is directed at minority students (I do not know of any caucasions that participated in the program. However, I will not change the page as I am unsure of DQ's legal education. J.

[edit] Vice Presidency: NPOV?

Is the Vice Presidency section of this article from a NPOV? I don't think so. There is only mention of two things in his actual Vice Presidency (Space Council; Competitiveness Council), taking up maybe a couple sentences, and a huge section of text basically speculating about and deriding Quayle's intelligence. The section is frankly insulting to this reader's intelligence. What about his professional relationship with President George Bush? What about the Gulf War? What about his position on taxes? Not a word on any of this. There is mention however of an obscure 'satirical' award (that I doubt many people at all have heard of); and a poke hinting that George W. Bush may be a simpleton just like his father's Vice President (as parts of this article certainly seem to be strongly implying). But then why no mention of Al Gore and his own numerous verbal gaffes, ones that like Quayle's could also certainly be construed as 'dumb'? I wouldn't like to say but it seems like there is a less than subtle anti-Republican bias present. Quayle was criticised for misstatments and many did question his intellectual abilities. That should definitely be mentioned - but within reason. Currently it's masquerading as downright offensive. [10 July 2005]

Another example... Potato was 'allegedly' misspelled on the card? 'Allegedly'? Quayle and the teacher have both said that the card was handed to him misspelled by her. When two parties agree on something it is not 'alleged'.

You simply don't understand what alleged means. Sorry.

Your odd decision to define when something is not alleged as "when two parties agree on something" confuses me. Two people saying something does not make it true and a teacher could certainly feel political pressure to agree with Quayle when he claimed the card was misspelled (not that I am saying that pressure was placed purposely, just that it would be present). It does not negate the fact that he did not know how to spell potato and certainly isn't proof that the card was misspelled (though I personally believe it was). This portion of the article isn't very biased (at least not as of the time of this writing) but it does reflect negatively on him because his Vice Presidency has reflected negatively on him. Whether that is deserved or not is not really at issue. There is a very large public perception that Quayle was not a good Vice President and the article simply outlines that. If you wish to add Quayle's accomplishments, by all means do so. But as the section is now it is not biased. - 69.3.92.118 17:34, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm not going to waste time arguing simple logic. I remember reading somewhere that this is an encyclopedia, not an op-ed page. If "the section...is not biased," and the mention of only two positions of his Vice Presidency versus various yellow-journalistic irrelevancy passes for being unbiased then it is no wonder that the statement that "his Vice Presidency has reflected negatively on him" has been made. That is a seriously biased position to write an encyclopedia article from. Name one person who thinks that. And there will be others who will think the opposite. Let the reader decide. But to hold the reader's hand and guide him down the path that there must be no doubt Dan Quayle made a terrible U.S. Vice President is simply insulting to readers and writers alike. That is what I call a stealth article. And one cannot conduct an article solely based on perceived and, yes, alleged public opinions. In my opinion that is not an unbiased encyclopedia article and that is precisely the reason the tag is on. Secondly, there has hardly been any positions of his Vice Presidency even mentioned to reflect negatively on. On the other hand, Vice President Al Gore receives a remarkably glowing article for the most part (with no mention at all of his own various verbal gaffes), which I don't wholly object to (though it certainly needs some editing). It is fairly in-depth and that is very commendable. I think that the depth that Al Gore's article receives should be reflected in all the modern U.S. Vice Presidents, including Dan Quayle. The main question here in the Quayle article then is a shortage of fact in the face of an oversurplus of undue criticism. By all means state the criticism but it must be reasonable and balanced with at least an equal grounding in fact. Therefore, I challenge someone to clean up some of the yellow journalism in this article. I wish to be an observer right now (and avoid sure and wasteful revertations), and therefore remain unbiased, but I will also do some research and hopefully contribute some facts soon.

Hi 12.77.45.223, why not try making some changes to address those issues? Most of the time, edits are tried out before a blanket NPOV tag is placed on an article. Fuzheado | Talk 05:10, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I've re-read the section you have issues with and more content could be added. But two things come to mind - 1) the Ig Nobel awards are not an obscure prize - they are pretty much featured in the American news each year in the "lighter side" segments. This year I recall it being a spot on ABC World News Tonight. Of course, with the tech-heavy crowd of Wikipedia, it's even more likely to be known by the community here. 2) The Bush I administration, knew of the liability that Dan Quayle was after the debates, flubs (Murphy Brown) and media ridicule that they themselves downgraded the role of Quayle in the public eye for the latter part of GHWB's presidency. So if he did not have many accolades and public achievements because, well, he wasn't put forth to do much. Also, related to Al Gore, you can't simply bring up another VP and claim "equivalency" to either drag Quayle up, or Gore down. That said, feel free to edit the article, and propose some more balance in your eyes, and the wiki way will take its course. Fuzheado | Talk 06:23, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Why don't you mention when Aquino (leader of the Philipines) called up Quayle and he needed to lead her through a coup attempt while Bush was away? I don't remember the specifics but it was mentioned in the debates, Quayle's memoirs and probably elsewhere. Sara 14 July 2005

That seems somewhat questionable. While Aquino may have contacted the US for aid in dealing with a coup, I highly doubt Quayle himself was involved in instructing how to deal with the coup. I don't doubt this because of any bias towards Quayle but rather because I don't believe the individual politician gave military advice and think it much more likely it was a military advisor who gave the advice even if it went through the VP to Aquino. - 69.3.92.118 17:24, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Here's what Quayle said in the VP debate:

"Qualifications. I've been there, Hal. I've done the job. I've been tested. I've been vice president for 4 years. Senator Gore referred to us being elected to the Congress together in 1976. I've done the job. I've done many things for the president.

But even as vice president you never know exactly what your role is going to be from time to time, and let me just give you an example of where I was tested under fire and in a crisis.

President Bush was flying to Malta in 1989 to meet with President Gorbachev. It was the first meeting between President Bush and President Gorbachev. They had known each other before.

A coup broke out in the Philippines. I had to go to the situation room. I had to assemble the president's advisers. I talked to President Aquino. I made the recommendation to the president. The president made the decision, the coup was suppressed, democracy continued in the Philippines, the situation was ended."

Sara

The Murphy Brown thing is probably the most significant thing about Quale (he sometimes misspells my name so I sometimes misspell his) - a hundred years from now, it's what he will be remembered for, if you ask me. People might not remember the name of the forgetable (if you ask me) t.v. show he was talking about, but they will remember that there was a backlash against the suppposed degredation of the family and Dan Quayle will be an important footnote. Murphy Brown could be it's own section, I think. And Oh ... please comment about my edit if you don't like it.Mashed Potato 05:08, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1996 Presidential election

"Quayle would have been a logical opponent of President Bill Clinton in 1996."

Really? I understand that the former VP is usually a candidate but Quayle had made way too many political blunders to possibly survive. If this statement is to remain, I think that it needs to be backed up by something. As it stands, the sentence appears to have been thrown in at the last minute.

Andrew

[edit] Dan Quayle and phlebitis

I am surprise the Quayle article made no mention of Dan Quayle suffering from phlebitis and being in the hospital.I believe this happen in the early 1990s. Thank you-207.230.192.179 19:26, 19 December 2005 (UTC) Sorry about this I forgot to log in-RFD 19:28, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Early political career

This statement:

he became an effective Senator, respected by colleagues on both sides of the aisle might be problematic for non-US readers. Can it be rephrased? Also, I think this section could stand to be expanded. I often wondered just how the heck this guy got to be vice-president; maybe a little more elaboration on what he did before becoming VP nominee would be good. Or did he really not do that much? Mashed Potato 11:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

The stuff about margins of victory is potentially misleading. When he won re-election to the House "by the largest margin ever" he was unopposed. And his re-election to the Senate "by the largest margin ever" only saw him win by 61% to 39%. Surely that can't be an Indiana record. --Lincolnite 00:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] May 1991

In the first week of May 1991, hadn't President Bush suffered a heart fibrilation, nearly making Vice President Quayle the Acting President? Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? GoodDay 00:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Serious question

What are VP Quayle's favorite cereal? Vice Crispies! No, I'm just kidding. How does it not cite its sources, there's 8 footnotes and no one marked any "citation needed" tags. I think some people are just being overly paranoid. Aaрон Кинни (t) 22:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Potatoe incident

Why is there no mention of his world famous Potatoe spelling incident. Its what he is most famous for worldwide!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.174.250.220 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Hobbies

watching children bathe? is this vandalism? something that ridiculous needs a citation.

I removed that, since it is slanderous and had no citations to back it up (and I doubt it will). Kurt Wagner 02:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Avoiding the Draft

There is a bit of a disagreement on the article page about whether or not Quayle pulled strings to avoid the draft. This is, I believe, caused by misrecollections of what was known at the time (mid-1988) when this was in the news. It was unambiguous that Quayle had used connections, specifically that he had asked Wendell C. Phillippi, managing director of the Indianapolis News, a paper owned by Quayle's grandfather, who happened to be the former commanding general of the Indiana Guard, to help him out. Phillippi gave it a shot, making at least one phone call on Quayle's behalf, and Quayle entered the national guard in the summer of 1969.

Quayle's 1988 defense of this was (a) that lots of people tried to avoid going to Vietnam (certainly true), and (b) he might well have gotten into the national guard without Phillippi's help (which is also true although unlikely; all surviving evidence suggests that there was a long waiting list). In any case, the latter claim seems disingenuous, because the fact that Quayle might not have needed Phillippi's help doesn't change the noteworthy fact that he asked for it, and got it.

By the way, after initially denying that he had asked for help at all, Quayle admitted to getting Phillippi's assistance, which led at the time to a secondary scandal about whether or not he had initially been lying about his past.

Uucp 21:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Early life statement

"Now he spends most of his time complaining about Al Gore and how he is jealous that Al Gore invented the internet."

That line appears under the Early Life section. Does not seem to part of his early life, cited, etc. Cannot seem to edit it out though. Maybe I don't know what I am doing and someone else can fix it.

Edit: Never mind, its gone now.

[edit] Handcuffed naked to a pole? What??

There was one bit of "information", in Dan Quayle's article here that stated he was "once handcuffed naked to a flag pole, outside of DePauw University in frigid winter conditions", or something very similar. It was on here a while back, but it was taken off very quickly. Is this "rumor" even true? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.135.1.214 (talk) 08:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC).