Talk:Daisuke Matsuzaka

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Edited the info about the gyroball based on an article on Yahoo. --Xenod 02:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gyro Ball = Fake

I fell for it myself because of that same Yahoo article. It is a fake pitch. The video cited is of a slider.65.246.143.195 20:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)Iamvery65.246.143.195 20:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

But doesn't Matsuzaka's pitch move down and away from lefties, which would only act as a slider if it were a lefty throwing it? It darts in the wrong direction given his throwing motion and what arm he pitches with. --badlydrawnjeff talk 20:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
There has been a lot of talk about the gyroball, including ESPN.com writing an article about it not too long ago. The background behind the pitch is real enough-- the two scientists from Japan who developed the theoretical model behind the pitch reportedly did write a book about it. The problem is that if Matsuzaka is throwing it, he's not talking-- he claims he's till just learning it. Regardless, the gyroball was the only reason people knew about this guy before he was posted to MLB, so it should merit a mention in his biography, even if it's speculation.
The gyro is definitely a fake - here's an article about the whole situation. Boston Globe. Vter4life 02:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Note that sports writers are opinion writers in general. In any case, the article at the moment just says that Dice-K claims to be learning to throw the gyroball, which is entirely correct. He is quoted in the yahoo sports article which is cited. Regardless of whather the gyroball is "a fake" or not, he claims he is learning to throw it, and to have thrown it in a few games. C. Scott Ananian 19:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

All I have to add to this conversation is:

I agree with Scott, Matsuzaka is indisputably claiming to throw it so the article is fine whether the pitch exists or not
Most of the back-and-forth and documentation of the pitch's existence or non-existence should probably be done at gyroball to avoid repeating this debate on the article of any pitcher who comes along claiming to throw it.

Cheers, PhilipR 19:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)