Talk:Dachshund

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As far as I can tell, the french doxie page (fr:teckel), says that "the teckel... is a breed of flea-bag...." either the phrase used is idiomatic and my limited knowledge of french can't handle it, or someone over there wrote something kinda crappy. Can someone who speaks better french look in on this? [[User:Lachatdelarue|Lachatdelarue (talk)]] 00:20, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Submarine on IRC kindly looked - the complete sentence was "the teckel (aka sausage on legs) is a breed of flea-bag" - heh! He's fixed it -- sannse (talk) 19:43, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Added the section of Dachshund Racing. While I was stunned by the article I read. Dog Kennel Magazine -- Never heard of it, but I don't watch football.

The children's book Part-Time Dog by Jane Thayer supposedly features a famous Dachshund. Could someone please verify & add if appropriate? Jodi.a.schneider 02:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Wursthunde 2 Not sure about this either way 3 Names in other languages--agree/disagree? 4 Badger dogs 5 Dackel / Teckel 6 Source for popularity claims? 7 Nintendogs 8 Odie? 9 boston dachsund meetup. 10 National Dachshund Meetups. 11 Number of vertebrae? 12 Need more information on alternative spinal treatments 13 Hund is a cognate 14 Achondroplasia

[edit] Wursthunde

From the "Appearance" section:

"Colloquially referred to as "wiener dogs" or "sausage dogs" (German Wursthunde), [...]"

The bolded part should probably be removed; noone *ever* refers to these as "Wursthund(e)" in German, and in fact, the word sounds highly artificial, as if made up by someone with a dictionary but no actual grasp on the German language. The current wording wrongly gives the impression that "Wursthund" is in fact an at least not entirely uncommon moniker for these in German. Any objections? -- Schnee (cheeks clone) 21:00, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I removed it. I've never heard anyone use this term. Google reveals one hit for that word. Sounds very made up to me. Trysha 21:12, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Not sure about this either way

I have a hard time accepting this, especially wrt feelings in the USA.

Dachshunds have traditionally been viewed as a symbol of Germany, despite their pan-European heritage. During World War I the animals fell so far out of favor in England and the United States that owners were actively encouraged to euthanize their pets.

Roodog2k 01:53, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I have had a quick look around the net, and cannot find anything supporting that statement. All I have found anywhere is that their popularity fell dramatically during that time. Tekana | Talk 11:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Names in other languages--agree/disagree?

This page seems to be accruing names in a wide range of foreign languages. We originally said that we'd list names commonly used in English-speaking countries, web sites, and kennel clubs but not be an accumulation of those used in other languages. Agree/disagree? Elf | Talk 21:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Agree I think that we should only have "common names" used in english speaking countries. If people want to know the simple translations of the names, or alternate names are used in other countries, they can simply select the link to the other language version of the article - so the information is there. It clutters up the dog box having so many names. - Trysha ^(talk) 22:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Badger dogs

Hello, I would like to add a list of dogs used for hunting and Badger-baiting can someone help me out ? Cordially SirIsaacBrock 03:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dackel / Teckel

In Germany the Dachshund nowadays ist usually called "Dackel". An older Name often used by Breeders and by Hunters which are using Dachshunde is "Teckel". http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dackel

[edit] Source for popularity claims?

(Copied from User talk:Masonbarge:)

Could you identify the source(s) for the statements about the popularity of the breed in the U.S. and in NYC specifically so that we can have a "Reference" section listing the source? Thanks. Elf | Talk 16:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

===Done=== I put in a couple of links. I couldn't find the original story about New York but I got a link to a Chicago Trib article for 2005 and changed the sentence accordingly.

Oh dearest Elf, please watch the Movie Garfield and you would see that the dog Odie is in fact played by a Wired Haired Dachshund. You who thinks you know everything about all breeds of dogs and yet don't know me... Leslie Kuva... keep searching and you will know

[edit] Nintendogs

Should a section be added concerning Nintendogs, the game for DS which has a version with the dacshshund as the cover breed?

I probably would not, since if we put a link to every product that featured a given dog, we'd have a million links on each article and they become meaningless - there should be a link from the Nintendogs here though. - Trysha ^(talk) 23:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Odie?

Odie is listed under "Famous Dachshunds". I've never heard of him being described as a Dachshund. Could someone verify this? ... discospinster _talk 12:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems that odie in garfield the movie was a dachshund [1]. Of course, I think 4 people actually saw that movie, and no one really thinks of that odie as the 'real odie', most people think of the comic strip which is clearly not. I'm going to remove the item. - Trysha ^(talk) 13:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] boston dachsund meetup.

I did not notice that the user who added the boston meetup site, asked why his link was removed. Under the External Links guidelines and what wikipedia is not, social networking sites like these are not allowed. Wikipedia is not a directory of links, and it is global. Meetup sites like these, besides the fact that they are local in scope, sites like these meet none of the 'what should be linked to' criteria, none of the 'occasionally' ciritera, and, and meet #1, #3, #9, and possibly #4 of 'what should not be linked to', as such they should not be added. Really the only reason I can see for adding the link is to attract more members to your site - and that is not what wikipedia is about. Trysha ^(talk) 19:13, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I should also note, the reason that we have the clubs listed, is that because the clubs are the source that defines what a given breed is. They are the ones who set the standards that are being bred to, in different areas, animals of a given breed are bred to slightly different standards so it is good to list all of the ones who define the breed. - Trysha ^(talk) 19:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] National Dachshund Meetups.

I don't mean to belabor this point, and this is the last time I will bother "protesting," but I thought I would share some final thoughts. I have to say the anti-spamming editors are extremely fast, efficient and thorough. I do not believe that a link to the National Dachshund Meetup meets "#1, #3, #9, and possibly #4 of 'what should not be linked to.'" I do believe that access to thousands of dachshund owners throughout the nation IS a "unique resource." I do not personally own or maintain the National Dachshund Meetup page, and as far as neutrality and POV issues are concerned, it simply does not apply, considering the myriad of opinions held by the thousands of dachshund owners (so all points of view are expressed). Yes, Meetup can be used as a social networking space, but many of the groups (including the dachshund groups) have greater purposes. We serve as a resource for potential and new dachshund owners, addressing good breeding practices, caring for your dachshund, training, and overall dachshund health. Some of us are active in dachshund rescue programs, and in other charities and organizations that fight to prevent cruelty to animals. Finally, while "MEETUP" itself is an organization created to make money, many of the groups that comprise it are not-for-profit and charge no fees. There is no charge to join any dachshund groups that I know of, while some organizers charge a small fee at, and only to cover the cost of, an event. Most dachshund groups are not formed to sell products or services. Please reconsider a link to the National Dachshund Meetup page, where users can search for a group in their particular geographic location. I think we are a valuable resource. Thanks for your consideration. Vinnie 70.22.226.12 03:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The removal of external links is not always related to the links being commercial/promotional. WP:EL and WP:SPAM make it pretty clear that links should adhere to some rather strict guidelines to be included. Otherwise, it would be all too easy for Wikipedia to turn into a link farm. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 03:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of vertebrae?

Do daschunds have more vertebrae, or longer ones? -:)Ozzyslovechild 16:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

That's a really good question...I've never even thought about that!CerealBabyMilk 21:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need more information on alternative spinal treatments

For the moment, I took out the two sentences on alternative spinal treatments:

Other treatments that have been used with some success include TENS, acupuncture, physical therapy, moxibustion, chiropractic manipulation, and massage. The use of arthritis medication such as Rimadyl (which failed clinical trials for humans) has reverted to the subjects of its previous testing: dogs, with great results in relieving skeletal back pain.

It needs its own section, but really it also needs more attestation, if only through links to reasonably reliable Web sites.

I did quite a bit of copy-editing, and used lower case for relevant terms, including “dachshund” and coat types. Ordinarily we would use initial capitals only for breeds that contain proper names, e.g., “Rhodesian ridgeback,” “Labrador retriever.”

joeclark 20:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hund is a cognate

Hund is related to the English "hound", so wouldn't it be more appropriately called the "badjer hound"?

[edit] Achondroplasia

Most dachshunds today are achondroplastic dwarfs. The syptoms of this genetic defect are large chests and heads, and crooked legs. These are not characteristics that are beneficial in a hunting dog used to enter subterrainian burrows. The majority of animals hunted in burrows have a chest span less than 14 inchs, including foxes. A large chest is the single worst attribute dog intended for earthwork could have. If you look at the photo of a dachshund in the article from the time that many dachshunds were hunted, it looks more like a modern Jack Russell or Fell Terrier. There is no evidence that short legs are helpful in negotiating an underground space. If this were the case, animals such as foxes or jackals would have very short legs. They do not. Attributing traits that modern breeders select for to real-life work may be romantic, but it is not accurate and should not be part of an encyclopedic entry.--Counsel 21:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)