Talk:D'Hoffryn
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I'm curious; where and when is he referred to as a 'Lower Being'? I doubt Anya would have said it, could it be Giles, or maybe Willow? --Gero 21:16, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
- Either Anya or D'Hoffryn himself. Cordelia and the Powers are described as "Higher Beings"... D'Hoffryn is just one of their evil counterparts.Zythe 15:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- That's subjective isn't it? Just because a being is 'Higher', doesn't necessarily make them 'Good', or 'Evil'; it's my understanding that means they are on, or from, a higher plane of existence (or whichever term you wish to use) (and true, I just realized that is subjective as well, but isn't the Earth normally regarded as a 'Lower Plane'? (again, or whatever term you wish to use)). D'Hoffryn is certainly 'Higher' (in terms of power in this case) then practically all other demons commonly seen on the shows, aside from a small handful. If you're talking of Higher Beings being literally... higher (as in Heaven is above, Hell below), then I could see D'Hoffryn being a Lower Being, but to the best of my knowledge they aren't rated like that, and it would definitely be more widely known among fans. And if he's called a 'Lower Being' by another 'Higher Being', then that could simply be them bashing and whatnot. So unless it can be quoted, I think it's best for, "Referred as a Lower Being" to be removed. --Gero 19:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm... In the first episode of season 7, Halfrek, one of Anya's fellow Vengeance demons, says this:
- That's subjective isn't it? Just because a being is 'Higher', doesn't necessarily make them 'Good', or 'Evil'; it's my understanding that means they are on, or from, a higher plane of existence (or whichever term you wish to use) (and true, I just realized that is subjective as well, but isn't the Earth normally regarded as a 'Lower Plane'? (again, or whatever term you wish to use)). D'Hoffryn is certainly 'Higher' (in terms of power in this case) then practically all other demons commonly seen on the shows, aside from a small handful. If you're talking of Higher Beings being literally... higher (as in Heaven is above, Hell below), then I could see D'Hoffryn being a Lower Being, but to the best of my knowledge they aren't rated like that, and it would definitely be more widely known among fans. And if he's called a 'Lower Being' by another 'Higher Being', then that could simply be them bashing and whatnot. So unless it can be quoted, I think it's best for, "Referred as a Lower Being" to be removed. --Gero 19:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
HALFREK: Listen, Anya, if it was just me—
ANYA: What do you mean if it was just you?
HALFREK: D'Hoffrin. The lower beings. They're all feeling the heat. Something's rising. Something older than the old ones, and everybody's tail is twitching. This is a bad time to be a good guy.
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- That's probably what the article is referring to. 'Lower' Being seems to very well be literal, as in Hell is below. I might reword that bit in the article a tad, but when I do I'll keep Lower Being in there. --Gero 08:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
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- That quote from "Lessons" may not mean D'Hoffryn is a lower being. Only that both he and the lower beings are feeling the heat.--Nalvage 13:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
