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[edit] Beatles wives

• Cynthia Powell is notable in history as the wife of John Lennon
• Maureen Starkey is only notable as a wife
• Olivia Trinidad Arias is only notable as George's wife; although she has done great charity work and helped to organise George's legacy those thing have flowed from her marriage to George

Please note I'm talking of encyclopedic notability, not casting aspersions on their value as human beings!!

To kinda confirm my theory, the above 3 articles are all rather lame as they stand.

Yoko Ono, Barbara Bach, Heather Mills McCartney and Linda McCartney are I think notable in their own right.

Pattie Boyd, I'm not sure, I think notable because of Layla', acting appearances etc.

My proposal, then, is to consolidate the top-mentioned 3 into an article on the Beatles' wives, which would of course have brief paras on the other ladies with the links to their biographies. --kingboyk 22:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd say clearly that this article isn't nearly as comprehensive as the one on Yoko, or the one on Linda, and that there's lots more to say in those cases, but I'm not sure that a merge is needed, this article has enough to stand on its own. I do like the idea of a Beatles wives article though. It may get at the angle of what being married to someone that famous is like and what the 24 hours surveillance did to them (assuming sources could be found). ++Lar: t/c 21:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

My point is that what is said here about Cyn is just about all that can be said. Olivia's article is one line long (in fact in the past I had to revert a cheeky attempt at redirecting that page to George Harrison!). Lose 3 poor stubs, gain a nice article. That was my rationale, might be wrong though. Anyone else? --kingboyk 21:41, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Nod. With Olivia it's very clearcut, that unless there is a lot more to say, a merge is the way to go. But here, with Cyn, there's well over a page of article here. Not all articles are destined to be 25 pages long, some perfectly respectable articles need not be more than a page or so. So I'm not sure I agree per se. Not the end of the world if it got merged with a redirect though. ++Lar: t/c 06:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Alright, maybe make Olivia's article one of the 'improvement drive' candidates then? There is more to say about her - Concert for George, managing his reissues and legacy, charity work, photo. --kingboyk 07:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

(placing this here, since it's kinda parta the same thread) Jane Asher of course needs a standalone article, but I think she should be in the same subcat as the "wives". That would necessitate renaming the category. Comments? --kingboyk 18:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Beatles relationships? Beatles main squeezes? ++Lar: t/c 06:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC) (from STL)

Speaking as one who maintains a private list of non-notable spouses (a sort of hobby), I agree with the proposal, and I think Patti Boyd should go in too, all with proper redirects of course. My personal opinion is that Heather Mills should go in too, as her article is too long. Consider - if she wasn't married to McCartney, would her article be as long? No, she wouldn't have an article. Lots of people like seals or whatever. She's only notable as Paul's wife. But that's just my opinion. As for Patti Boyd, sure, Layla, but how did she inspire Layla? Was she really a muse for Clapton, or would any other wife have done as well? In this she differes from (say) Sara Dylan or Virginia Poe. Anyway, I say: Merge the three at least, and add Patti Boyd. As to the category, how about "Beatles Wives and Girlfriends"? Herostratus 17:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment and your broad agreement, but I find the argument regarding Patti vs Sara Dylan rather spurious. Only Clapton knows for sure, and Layla is a pretty hardcore, heartrenching song wouldn't you agree? :) (That said, Layla has it's own article now of course). --kingboyk 20:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Patti - If she wasn't the subject of "Something" and "Layla", she is most certainly the muse for Claptons later "Wonderful Tonight" (a UK hit single). She had some small fame as a model before meeting Harrison, but her major influence is how her change of partners did not (publicly) affect the friendship between the two men - at least in the long run - which says something about them.LessHeard vanU 21:59, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Is being the inspiration for a song enough to earn a page? I know Layla is big but is it really enough? Are there pages for every inspiration of every numver 1 hit song? Also, George has said many times that Patty was not the inspiration for Something.

[edit] Name

The article says "After her divorce from John Twist, Cynthia changed her name back to Lennon by deed poll." Assuming this is correct, this page should surely be at Cynthia Lennon. I shall move it accordingly. Nick 17:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)