Talk:Cuban American
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This article needs a complete rewrite. Much of it is heavily POV, and some parts are blatantly racist.
- The entire article needs to re-written from scratch.
I strongly disagree with the comment above. As a Cuban-American born and raised and currently living in Miami, I do not find this article racist in any way and in general, it is a good and truthful (yet brief) description of Cuban-Americans and their origins. It does tend to side with the Miami-based Cuban American view but then again, the large majority of us grew up in Miami. One cannot argue that, in general, the association between the Cuban-American people and the City of Miami is inseparable. So, for an online encyclopedia, it is a good description of what and who Cuban-Americans, in general, are.
[edit] Cleanup, NPOV, Wikify
I removed all POV that I could see, cleaned up and wikified the entire article. It looks pretty good now but could benefit from more information. Any questions can be left on my talk page. Thanks! --Shawn 00:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 10/09/06
As a Cuban American from New York City whose family came here *before the revolution I find what I have read so far pretty ridiculous, entirely POV, without reference, and fairly racist. Firstly, the author gives the statistic that %86 percent of Cuban Americans identify as Caucasian. Giving statistics with no reference is the worst kind writing. Secondly, the author states that there was little race mixing before the communist revolution. Again, where is the proof? This statement is entirely and completely false. I recommend that the author read "Sugar is Made with Blood: The Conspiracy of La Escalera and the Conflict between Empires and Slavery in Cuba" by Robert L. Paquette for a historical, and verifiable unlike the author's writing, account of pardo society and race relations prior to Castro.
After reading the entire article I have to agree with the first comment that the article needs a complete rewrite. You can't just rattle of statistics without a reference and pass that off as fact.
[edit] 10/23/06
First, it is not racist, that is your conception of it. The "statistics" with no reference are found at the Pew Research study of Cuban Americans at http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/23.pdf. I beleive it is you who are mistaken, and biased against white Cubans.
11/02/07 Firstly, it is rude to make his personal by calling me biased. Secondly, if I am biased against white Cubans then I am biased against myself. Thirdly, I reiterate my point about the claim that there was no race mixing prior to Castro as being complete fiction and my advise that you begin more serious research of your heritage with the above book. Fourthly, thank you for providing finally the source of at least one of your statistics, that %86 of Cubans self identify as white. This needs to be cited *in the article. Providing a citation for every claim is *basic writing and one of the main reasons this article needs a complete rewrite. Lastly, this statistic that %86 of Cubans identify as white, placed as you do, is totally out of context and *highly misleading. As it stands it implies that %86 of Cuban Americans are racially Caucassian which is very differnt and not the conculsion of the study that you found the satistic in. If you actually read the whole study you will see that self identification as white is a marker for a sence of inclusion, which you neglect to metion. Consider the following quote from that very study which summarizes this fact:
Shades of Belonging Latinos and Racial Identity
by Sonya Tafoya, Pew Hispanic Center Report Materials
The findings of this study suggest that Hispanics see race as a measure of belonging, and whiteness as a measure of inclusion, or of perceived inclusion. The report reveals that Latinos' choice to identify as white, or not, does not exclusively reflect permanent markers such as skin color or hair texture but that race is also related to characteristics that can change, such as economic status and perceptions of civic enfranchisement. Whiteness is clearly associated with distance from the immigrant experience. Thus, the U.S.-born children of immigrants are more likely to declare themselves white than their foreign-born parents, and the share of whiteness is higher still among the grandchildren of immigrants. In addition, the acquisition of U.S. citizenship is associated with whiteness.
In conclusion, this article suffers from the worst kind of writing, lacks citations, lacks context, lacks depth, is largely POV and needs a complete rewrite.
11/02/07
Once again you are showing your bias by arguing that a normative and subjective interpretation of the fact of self-identification must be included when discussing the objective fact that 86% of respondents to the Pew research poll self-identify themselves as white or caucasian.
