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[edit] Tim Buckley

Tim Buckley really needs a separate article, rather than a redirect. I see the option is open. Anyone got the free time and knowledge to do such a thing? RabidJackal 19:59, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

What information do you to put in the article? Is he really worthy of a biography? --ʀ6ʍɑʏ89 05:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Quite the opposite, the two articles should be merged - look at pvp and the like. Is such a level of detail on an artist (in the absense of information on others) really needed. Look at the mod comment in the Buckley talk page itself.

[edit] Winter-Een-Mas

Winter-Een-Mas was merged here. See here for its history. --Vague Rant 12:40, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Quotes

We ought to add a wikiquote section for this. --Anonymous

[edit] URL in 'infobox_webcomic'

WRT the recent change to the url in the infobox_webcomic, I think that both www.ctrlaltdel-online.com and www.cad-comic.com are valid, and have therefore suggested in Template_talk:Infobox_webcomic that an optional alternate URL might be added. Guinness 16:47, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Good thinking. Thanks. Wikibofh 17:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
    • It appears this can be done without modification to the template, and I've now updated it. Guinness 07:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Description for Emma and Christian needs to be shortened

  • Who else here thinks so? I'd say wait until the story arc is over before we do that. --User:FazzMunkle
  • Pretty much all of the character descriptions need to be shortened. Zeke's description, for example, currently lists every subplot the character has been featured in for the past few months. And BTW, be sure to sign your talk page comments with four tildes. :) --Dynamite Eleven 17:12, 7 December 2005 (UTC) FazzMunkle 22:50, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Good Idea. ;-) FazzMunkle 22:50, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I finally removed all of the recent Zeke subplot stuff. It still needs to be shortened, but at least it's an improvement. -^demon 04:09, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Plotting in background

The article says that Christian is plotting his revenge in the background and that there are signs that he is doing so, yet I have no idea what these signs are (I must be overlooking them.) Does anyone know? Deuxsonic 05:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

No. I'm removing it. I see no evidence of it, and I read CAD religiously. Plus, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. -^demon 13:28, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
There was one edit that placed Christian as the mastermind behind Josh's takeover of Winter-een-mas, with the rationale being that the shadowy figure and Christian had a similar ring (for comparison: [1] and [2]), which was obviously not the case. Weird crystal ball edits like that always seem to crop up every now and then in this article. --Dynamite Eleven 19:50, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
It's entirely crystal ball, as Winter-een-mas hasn't even really started yet this year, much less the obligatory WEMas comics. -^demon 18:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Major Changes - 21 Dec 2005

Today, some major changes were posted to the article. I reverted them, as they didn't reflect a consensus through a discussion on the talk page. Please take a look at the last version before my revert to see what it looked like. Sections were re-ordered, names were changed, and a new section was added. Once again, major amounts of plot was placed back into the bios. I've left a message for that user to please come and discuss his proposed changes, as they were 'quite' major. -^demon 13:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anyone Know

Is CAD based in England or the USA or somewhere else?

  • CAD is based in Connecticut (New Haven, I think?), in the United States. -^demon 16:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chef Brian

This notice is concerning a recently concluded discussion about Chef Brian (see afd). There was a clear consensus to redirect, yet it was unclear whether any material was worth merging. In any case, said material can be found here. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 06:13, Dec. 26, 2005


A small question about the part in the wiki that says "though some sources state that the character is based on Brian Carroll, author of the webcomic Instant Classic, or Brian Clevinger, author of 8-Bit Theater and friend of Tim Buckley." Does anyone know what these sources are? - Kgazette 07:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character headings

I think an consensus needs to be made on how the characters should be ordered in this article. I left the main characters with their own headings, but I consolidated the secondary characters and former characters into respective grouped sections (which, to me, seems reasonable). Plus, we really do need to keep a closer eye on this zeitgeist of subplot and crystal ball edits, as they seem to be popular. --Dynamite Eleven 18:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

  • "zeitgeist of subplot and crystal ball edits" <-- could you explain what you mean? i agree about the rest. --R6MaY89 19:10, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Oh, sorry. Zeitgeist is defined as "the spirit of the age; the taste, outlook, and spirit characteristic of a period", so I was meaning to say "this current trend of subplot and crystal ball edits". "Zeitgeist" was less letters. :) --Dynamite Eleven 19:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Animated Series

What about them? Are they going in an article of their own, or in the CAD article?
Ghent 15:50, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I'd vote for the CAD article. It's supposedly just "premium content" for CAD, so no reason to have it have it's own article. Wikibofh(talk) 15:59, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
It might be "just" premium content, but there's going to be a 4-minute animated video every month. Either way, they should have a section of their own. Ghent 16:28, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I have no problem with that.  :) Wikibofh(talk) 18:15, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
  • No, it shouldn't be given its own article. Think about it logically - How many people who don't read CAD are going to watch the CAD animated series? Awnser - None. None or very very few.

I wrote a summary for the first episode. I think that CAD:Animated deserves its own article because after a few episodes, this page is going to be too long and too broad. What do you think? --ʀ6ʍɑʏ89 21:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


Question: Is there any reason that the animated series stops after September? I thought it came out with a new episode each month?

[edit] Fallout or Everquest

Which is the one that Ethan has the obsession/relapse with? There seems to be a minor edit war regarding this and I don't feel like looking through old CADs to figure it out. Can someone post a link to a comic strip with this mentioned? Thanks. --ʀ6ʍɑʏ89 03:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Hardly an "edit war", but if you read Ethan's bio on the website it says "He still attends a bi-monthly support group as a result of his Everquest addiction, of which he is three years clean." Fightindaman 03:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Yea, but I couldn't think of anything else to call it. Okay, now that we have that settled, we can revert anytime anyone BSs about Fallout being his obsession. A few days ago, Tim mentioned that he started playing EQ2, so I should've known this. whatever... --ʀ6ʍɑʏ89 05:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
He's been crazy for both. Everquest he played forever, and Fallout2 he assualted the CEO to get the game made. --Viridis 01:01, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, his computer is blocked from anything Fallout-related so he doesn't suffer a relapse. - Sir Ophiuchus (not logged in)
Remeber the "Will Suck at Tekken 4 Fallout" sign? -anonny

Lucas had Ethan sorta brainwashed to make him forget all about Fallout. At the mere mention of it from Ethan's boss he went balistic xD.

[edit] Age?

Do the characters in the strip age, or are they perpetually set at a fixed age (like in other comics)? Recent edits seem to indicate that they DO age, although I can't figure it out. --Dynamite Eleven 03:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

  • That's a good point. How would we know if they age? Their birthdays' are never the story of a strip, and there ages are never mentioned after the first year. No info on the official site. Perhaps we should revert to the old version (21 and 23 or whatever) and leave it there until we get info to the contrary. --ʀ6ʍɑʏ89 03:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
    • OK, I've reverted for the time being. However, maybe someone should contact Tim Buckley and ask him; he's the only one who knows for sure. --Dynamite Eleven 04:35, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Hmm, would this count as some sort of confirmation: [3]? While I know it is a forum moderator, and not Tim himself, that said the characters do age, Tim never corrected him. Also, in this thread, Tim states that Lilah and Ethan have been dating for over three years, indicating that time does pass in the strip. Cyclone49 01:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marriage

We all know that Ethan and Lilah are to be married. However, I believe it is impossible. This comic shows that Ethan is already married, to his...windows XP. Any thoughts?

One can't marry an OS. Enough said. --maru (talk) contribs 19:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
One word: OS-tan. I think we've got that sorted. Rockhound 16:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
But it makes you wonder... if it really WAS the actual box (with the CD)and not an OS-tan... how did he consummate the relationship? The hole in the middle of the CD (Kids, if you don't understand this, ask your parents!) Veinor (ヴエノル) 22:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Comment: winter-een-mas

Ive added this page to the Request for Comment listings.

Winter-een-mas was supposed to be merged into this article, but there information is non-existant. There are now groups across the country celebrating it, as well as EB Games recognizing it, and I'm pretty sure they are a nation-wide chain of gaming stores.

I understand there was a previous agreement to merge them and delete winter-een-mas, but I believe the information has increased and that decision is no longer good, and the fact that the information isn't here because whatever merge may have happened was useless.

Liastnir 12:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Made up holidays will always be strenuously resisted by some, so you're going to have to collect a lot of good evidence of its notability. If you can find instances of Winter-een-mas appearing in notable printed sources, that would be is best, especially those that don't specifically cater to the comic and gaming audiences. Don't bother listing its popularity on blogs or internet forums unless they are very high profile, because most people around here don't regard them as credible sources. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 13:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Individual Articles?

Some of the character articles are getting pretty large, so I think it could be a good idea to make some of them into individual articles. Cyclone49 06:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

–Abe Dashiell (t/c) 07:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirecting Tim Buckley's article here

Tim Buckley (artist) is frequently used as a place for people to air their beefs against him. The accusations are either unsourced or poorly sourced and concern matters that do not meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria. In accordance with WP:LIVING, I've been removing the material, but it's becoming a chore keeping it compliant with policy. On Sunday I protected the article from editing, but this is not ideal. What I want to do is turn it into a redirect to Ctrl+Alt+Del. After all, this is pretty much the only subject that makes him notable, and we've done the same thing with many other webcomic authors. I'd like to do this by the end of the week, so if someone wants to add an author section to this article, now would be a good time. Thanks. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 05:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Having not heard any objections to redirecting Tim Buckley's article here, I have done so. I've not moved any of the old content from there over, but if you'd like to, you can view the version before the redirect here. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 19:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CAD Userbox

Is there a CAD userbox out there? If not, I'll try to make one --Garfunkle20 14:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

This is the discussion page for the article on Ctrl+Alt+Del. Silly inconsequential userspace stuff needs to go somewhere else. --Cyde↔Weys 14:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brad Pitt

Shouldn't we put Brad Pitt into the 'Characters Who No Longer Appear' bit? He's featured in several comics, including [4] and [5]. So, shall we?

  • He counts as a celebrity guest so probably not. Stu42
  • Other than those to examples I don't remember seeing him so he's not really a Character more a Cameo. ≈ Seraph 31 21:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Miranda

So what's the deal there? Should someone put in where we first see her, and where we first find out her name?

[edit] Controversy

There is alot of talk about Tim Buckley showing his genitalia to underage girls, while this has not been confirmed, i think it atleast should be mentioned as Rumoured, since afterall there are a few hundred people who got banned because they mentioned it. Also there has been pictures floating around.

Then there is the Deleting and covering up of his WoW guild, the Rapscallions, Again he Banned people for talking about it and deleted all old threads regarding it. A reason for this was never givven, and ill be damned if you will not be ignored if you mail him, and banned if you mention either on his forums.

I think that this should be mentioned on this site, i do not think this is the way you should treat fans, and so I think fans that read this site should be aware, the man does cover up best he can.

  • If it hasn't been confirmed, it's not fact, and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia entry. Take your personal vendettas elsewhere. And frankly, continuing to perpetuate this sort of rumor as fact, without any proof, may constitute libel. By spreading this rumor as you are trying to, you are attempting to convict Buckley in the court of public opinion without a trial. Thrindel
    • It is not fact, yet it is a wildly acclaimed rumour, as for the deletion of the WoW guild and then deleting of all posts and topics relating to it IS fact, aswell as banning of anyone mentioning either rumour. I was not saying that it was supposed to be mentioned as a fact, but as something uncertain, just like some people thinking elvis still being alive should be mentioned in the Elvis wiki, or conspiracy theories should be mentioned in 9/11 Wiki, they exist and thus they should be mentioned. And how am I guilty of a crime by stating facts, and drawings a POSSIBLE conclusion, not convicting my any MEANS, but merely a suspicion, or theory. Please do not flame at me for suggesting to mentioning something which in no way is wrong.
      • First of all, he disbanded his WoW guild. So what? It's a video game. If he stopped played, and it was his guild and he didn't want to run it anymore, it's entirely within his right to disband it. Guilds and clans disband every single day. It's really not as big a deal as you make it out to be.

Second, Tim doesn't run his forums. He has moderators that do that, and that do the banning as well.

As far as placing a section for these rumors, I refer you here for previous rulings on the matters regarding WP:Living and these internet squabbles. Thrindel

[edit] Critisicm

I removed the criticism section, for the same reasons it was removed from the Tim Buckley page when it was up. People use a "critisicm" section to voice personal distaste for the strip and/or its creator, often laden with opinions and no facts or sources to back it up. The latest iteration went so far as to suggest what other people did or did not enjoy about the strip, and what the strip is supposed to be. This does not belong in an encyclopedic article. Let's not make Adashiel lock this page down too because of this pettiness. If you don't like the comic or the creator, just don't read it. Thrindel

  • I think Critism should be mentioned because CAD and Tim Buckley more than pretty much any other Web cartoonist is disliked in the webcomic community, for various reasons. Not to say that there should be a page of people going on about how much they hate the guy, but I think not mentioning this would be missing an important part of this Wiki. Can you agree that with alot of other people have been critised, such as Charles Darwin, do you think this should be left out of his Wiki?
    • Why is the fact that some people don't like his comic encyclopedia-worthy? For any webcomics, nay for any thing in the world, you can find people that dislike it, for any number of reasons. The point is, you want to make comments like "Tim Buckley is disliked more than anyone else in the webcomic community", but you can't prove that. Personally, I don't believe that's true at all, and I see no evidence to support it. So what if Penny Arcade doesn't like CAD? That makes perfect sense to me. CAD is competition, so it's only logical that they'd try to tear it down. It's business. Thrindel
      • Genereally there IS no beef between competition other than Tim Buckley, I think the closest you would find to such beef would be "tycho and gabe" Calling some other web comics noobs, but then I think if asked they would say that they actually resåpected and enjoyed those webcomics. You may say "hey this is no fact" But think it is clearly fact Scott Kurtz have clashed with Tim Buckley several times on forums, where Tim Buckley was accused of plagiarising etc. It is not the fact that people dislike his webcomic that is note worthy, but the fact that he is both often accused of plagiarism, and also generally disliked as a person, often by fans he somehow misstreated. This IS very unusual for a webcomic [will adds links later, for the statement that tim buckley is disliked in the webcomic community etc(not saying that EVERYONE dislikes him, ofcourse not, but alot more than any comic i can think of)etc]
        • Unless you manage to hold some sort of poll that extends to the entire webcomic community, there is no way you can gather evidence to support your claims. And if you think there is no beef in webcomics besides with CAD, you need to read more webcomics, and more importantly, you need to read more webcomics forums. Squidi, for instance, is easily hated more than Buckley, and for more concrete and proveable reasons. Kurtz is hated by a great many people for his attitude. Even PA has a huge share of detractors. If you bothered to look, you'll find that any webcomic/webcomics creator is disliked by certain people somewhere. It's common, and it's a fact of life when you put your stuff up on the internet. It's not unique to CAD, so it isn't noteworthy.

But perhaps most important to keep in mind are the legal ramifications. All of these "rumors" that you want to post could be considered libel, and would probably place Buckley in a position to take legal action against Wikipedia to have them removed, if he wished. Once again, I refer you to the previous ruling by Adashiel.

Also, a quote from Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia:

   "I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons." [2]

He considers "no" information to be better than "speculative" information and reemphasizes the need for sensitivity:

   "Real people are involved, and they can be hurt by your words. We are not tabloid journalism, we are an encyclopedia."   Thrindel

[edit] Plot elements in character descriptions

I had to get rid of the plot elements in the character descriptions, because it was getting to be too much (and it looked rather unencyclopedic). Really, the character descriptions should be about the characters, and not about everything they've been doing in the strip for the past several months. --Dynamite Eleven 04:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CAD Cartoon

Needs a huge tidy-up...the episode "summaries" should maybe even be moved to a new article. ~ Gromreaper 08:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lilah's Parents

Is there any reason Lilah's parents are in the "characters who no longer appear" section? They were last seen less than six months ago and there is no indication that they have been taken out of the strip, since they are still the parents of one of the main characters.

--Freeflight 23:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

--Agreed. Not only is there no evidence that they won't come back but also Ethan and Lilah, with any luck, will be getting married quite soon. They'll certainly be back for that. You could say Scott hasn't appeared in many comics lately, so let's move him into 'characters who no longer appear.

  • So? he could come back. They should only be in the "no longer appear" section if we're sure (or almost sure) that they will never come back. NauticaShades 16:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey, while we're at it, why don't we put Ashley and Emma into it. They could appear at E+L's wedding. Ashley may break the restraining order, and Emma may break outa jail. How about Christian? We could throw him back in seeing as he might try to entice Lilah back into his arms. And what about Miranda? Should we shove her back in there too?
Just keep then where they all are until it comes the day when Ethan and Lilah do get married. How knows, they might get drunk and fly to Vegas, get married in a cheesy hotel, having Zeke as a bridesmaid? Garfunkle20 16:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Analog and D+Pad

Tim Buckley has said that he is going to be writing a comic called Analog and D+Pad, it will follow the characters Ethan, Lucas and co, however they will be super heroes. Will this be part of the Ctrl+Alt+Del page on Wikipedia or will it have it's own page?

Cover artwork [1] ≈ Seraph 12:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

  1. ^ "Analog and D+Pad cover art"

[edit] Tragically Hip?

Did Buckley ever say that the tagline was a reference to The Hip? 'Cause I'm pretty sure it's not. As I understand it, Ctrl-Alt-Delete is an American webcomic and while the Hip are quite popular in Canada, not many have heard of them elsewhere. I think someone just made this up. Is there a newspost that Buckley did that can back this up? Chewbacca1010 23:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

-- Not that I've ever seen. "Tragically hip" is (or was) a pretty common saying, which is most likely where the band got their name from. So it's possible that he isn't necessarily referencing a band, just a phrase he's heard. Frankly referencing an obscure Canadian band doesn't seem very likely to me. I'll remove it, unless someone can back it up.

[edit] Player 4

I'm removing the following text ("and perhaps mental instability, as she only answers in one word sentences and enjoys seeing Player 3 set on fire") from the Player's description. She has had all of two lines, and all of the players (Save 3) are violent; not enough evidence of mental instability, unless they're all unstable (Which they are, but do we really have to say it?). Eltargrim 03:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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