User talk:Csymeonides

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[edit] Welcome!

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FireFox  T C E 18:31, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] English

Yes, English is official, it's in the 1960's constitution.


Thanks for saying "hello".

I'm only 50% Cypriot, by the way (other half is English). Thanks for offer but I don't have any questions, I've already spoken to people who have studied, are studying or will be at various places like York, Cambridge & Manchester. There will not be many girls on the course, that I agree to. But who says I will be only socialising with people on my course?

Olivia.

PS: I may have possibly seen your brother in person. dA Comment


--olieviya 04:38, 24 September 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Cyprus

If I said "Peace Operation", then you would have a point. "Invasion" is just as skewed. "Intervention" is both accurate and politically correct. --Expatkiwi 00:54, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

First of all, you've said "peace operation" on many occasions, so excuse me if I find your motives highly suspect.
As for "political correctness", if I'm not mistaken, that's not what Wikipedia is about. It's about NPOV and giving an accurate account of events. You say that "invasion" is skewed. I believe that "intervention" is the one that's skewed. Which is the most common term used for this and other similar military actions? "Invasion". Which is the term used by governments wanting to justify their actions? "Intervention". Why is it that you and REX and "Eric" refuse to answer the points I have raised on the talk page? Instead of having an intelligent discussion, you just carry on reverting. I call that childish. You calling me "ouzo-breath" goes even beyond that. Your attitude is ridiculous and pathetic. Stop wasting my time, and grow up. Csymeonides 02:12, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

On this issue, one cannot be neutral. One has to take sides. I chose mine, but I chose it because I believe it to be right. That's what is known as a maturely made decision. Never mind the fact that I have recently received e-mails calling me things like "Turk-loving pig" (which I suppose you had nothing to do with...). In any case, I try to keep emotion out of my WIKIPEDIA posts, but it's not easy when my integrity is being called into question bypeople like you. User:Expatkiwi

First of all, I understand why you would believe that I would have something to do with insulting emails sent to you while this situation is going on. All I can say is that I would never do anything so immature and pointless. Greeks and Greek Cypriots that behave in that way are an embarrassment to me and to their community, and I apologise on their behalf.
Secondly, I'm doing my utmost to be neutral and avoid taking sides. Perhaps you find that hard to believe, given my recent edits and posts. I'm trying to preserve the integrity of the factual accounts. Yes, the choice of "invasion" over "intervention" is a choice, and thus subject to opinion and bias, but it's not a choice that was just made by me. It's the international consensus, and I'm sure you're aware of that. Why do you feel that you "cannot be neutral" on this issue? Shouldn't our goal always be a NPOV? Csymeonides 02:48, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

If you are not the one responsible, than I apologize for my accusations and name-calling. However, I cannot apologize for my feelings on this issue. I firmly believe that Turkish Cypriots have the right to live in peace and security, and if that means as a seperate nation, then so be it. It may not be an optimal solution, but I believe that given the history of Greece, Turkey, and Cyprus, it was - in my opinion - the best option. By the way, I've requested a lock be put on the TRNC page so that tempers can cool down. Expatkiwi

I too firmly believe in the right of Turkish Cypriots to live in peace and security. And I believe that all other Cypriots deserve the same rights as well. But I think that having separate nation-states is not only a far from optimal solution, it's a step back and a recipe for disaster. The only way Cypriots can survive and establish their identity is to remove all foreign influence (from Greece, Turkey, the UK, the USA etc.) and learn to trust each other. When Turkish troops occupied the north of Cyprus in 1974, that should have been a temporary situation to be resolved immediately. Building on that state of affairs is a mistake; Cyprus needs to go back to the point where it was considered possible for a single state to exist and function with the communities living together in peace. Csymeonides 03:12, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I think it's probably hopeless. Both Greek and Turkish petty nationslists are beyond rational argument on this subject. Expatkiwi is of course a prize example. In this particular instance (invasion vs intervention) I think the Greeks are right, but I've also given up on Macedonia-related articles (except those I have written myself), where I think the Greeks are absolutely wrong. I love the Greeks dearly but they can be extremely kourastikos on these issues. Kali tykhi. Adam 03:01, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

You know, If I thought that both sides could reconcile purely as Cypriots (not GC, not TC) and live securely under the ideals of the 1960 Constitution, I would be the first one to cheer. The ideals of the Constitution of 1960 are truly noteworthy. But honestly, do you see any hope of that succeeding? By the way, Despite what Adam Carr says, I did look closely at the issues and the arguments of both sides before I made my decision on who was more in the right. That, plus my beliefs in the inalienable rights of self-determination cemented my position on the Cyprus issue. This position has probably made me an enemy to all of Greek Cyprus, but I cannot betray my beliefs if it means compromising my integrity. User:Expatkiwi.

[edit] Apology

I know it is months late but i wanted to apologise for jumping on you over northern Cyprus - a long painfull struggle with both German and Polish nationalists over things like the Oder-Neisse line and Danzig/Polish Corridor/Silesia/East Prussia etc etc left me somewhat sensitive to nationalist POV-pushing. I overreacted and am sorry. PMA 02:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

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