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This page was listed on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion in May, 2004. The result of that discussion was to keep the article. For an archive of the discussion, see Talk:Crust punk/Delete.
I don't want to edit the main page because I'm no expert on crust punk, but I have a feeling all the text about Fred Durst is wildly incorrect. Someone should clean it up...
Some goon added Menudo, Prince, New Kids on The Block and a slew of others to the examples of bands list!!! Sorta funny but not really. I removed em.----
Why was dropdead removed from the list of bands? I understand that some people may consider dropdead something more like "political thrash," but you could also argue that aus-rotten is anarcho-punk, not crust punk, but it was left alone. millerc 22:38, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Yikes, some vandal messed with the page again, I'm not an authority on crust punk so I'm not sure which ones to remove/put back in but some of these are rediculous...--71.198.164.138 06:09, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
There are a handful of bands listed whose categorization as --crust-- are questionable. Propagandhi are patently not a crust band. While they have anarcho lyrics, their sound is pure pop-punk, and their asthetic is light years away from anything that could be called crusty. I'm removing them.
Macho 10:52, 26 Apr 2005 (CST)
---yeah they're smarter than most crust bands.
The above statement is laughable. --Switch 17:21, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Someone just added juggling and riding bikes to the list of topics of crust songs. I fully agree that those are activities that many crust punks partake in, but I cannot think of any songs that talk about them. Can you cite some here in the talk page, please?
Macho Philipovich 16:00, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
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Why are the cultural origins of crust punk listed as 1980s North America? From my perspective, this was a very British scene: Amebix, Deviated Instinct, Extreme Noise Terror (by way of Zounds, and the Crass collective). Late 1970s UK sounds far more plausible to me. Cyberinsekt 22:54, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I deleted the crap about the Levellers, NO WAY can the Levellers ever be seen in any possible way as any kind of crust band, maybe left-wing folk rock but definitely NOT crust.I agree that Crass and Discharge are wrongly described as crust but they should be mentioned as very important influences for the entire crust scene.
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[edit] Possible vandalization
I removed a section that stated that this is pro-homosexual rights. I don't mean to say that Crust punk isn't this, but I believe that this was put in as a joke or something. --Jazz Remington 05:47, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- It isn't a defining aspect, but neither is vegetarianism/veganism, and that's mentioned. I played bass in a funkcore/crust band, and only one member was a vegetarian. I bet you can't name a single crust band who don't support gay rights... I think it should be included. --Switch 17:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not a crust (but I do like the little bit I've heard), but I'm an anarchist and have some crust friends and I agree, gay rights/liberation would be in line with the rest of the political ideas mentioned. It shouldn't be considered vandalism and is probably fine to have in the article. The Ungovernable Force 08:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
It looks like a lot of the page was deleted.
Crust Punk People separate From Crust Punk Music How about making the info about crusty people a separate page from crusty music rather than merging the two. I'm afraid the info on crusty people will be lost.
[edit] Genre
There needs to be something about the different influences and subdivisions within crust punk. As controversial as this might seem, bands such as Leftover Crack (Choking Victim), Mouth Sewn Shut, No Cash, and others that mix ska with crust should be given their due. Additionally, there needs to be more about why crust punk is so different from even the more hardcore sounding and/or DIY community/philosophy strands of punk like street punk, hardcore punk, etc. WHAT MAKES CRUST PUNK CRUST? Its hard to explain crust punk to non-punk aggressive music fans (like hardcore kids), non-crust punks dismiss crust punks as crazy dirt kids, and people that don't listen to punk obviously notice the radically different and gloom drenched aesthetics and sound of crust but can't figure out how its punk beyond the patches and studs. Alright, so maybe that's a bit of a daunting task. Y.Pestis
I wouldn't really say no cash are crust at all, it's too teenage angst, the lyric content has very little politics compared to crust, then again, new offshoots of punk are developing as we speak, animal rights, squatting and drinking cider are good pointers to help work out whther bands are crusty, mouth sewn shut are definitley, as are LoC and c/v, mouth sewn shut are members of toxic narcotic and sound a shitload like them, so they should be on there.
You really should attach your name for proper introductory purposes. Regardless, I consider No Cash an offshot of crust because it came out of the music style and their politics are of squatting, drinking, hatred of life, etc. Additionally, most of the American crusties don't drink cider, so far I've noticed that's a UK and maybe European thing, but the other qualifications seem clichė but right on the money!Y.Pestis 11:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Band list
More importantly, though, I'm going to clean up the list immediately. Crass? Discharge? There is no way you can call them crust. Definitive crust: Amebix. Definitive modern crust: Wolfpack/Wolfbrigade. --Switch 17:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Amebix is an obvious crust band, but when you think of crust you have think of current day crust bands that are still around and active (like World Burns To Death), as well as the handful of pre-crust bands that obviously played an important role in shaping what crust punk became. I put CRASS back on the list because CRASS was the first punk band to really infuse punk music/culture with a philosophy and politics of anarchism, something crucial to the politicallly left orientation of crust. In my opinion, CRASS along with a handful of pre-crust anarcho punk bands should be included in the list so people looking up crust on Wikipedia might get some direction. --Noather
Okay, I went through and deleted most of the bands that were obviously not crust. There are a couple I've not heard of, so fans will need to check again. I've left a few bands I'm unsure of that might be more anarcho than crust, but if the Dead Kennedys are anarcho-punk, these bands should be alright here. --Switch 17:28, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I dunno how you can call Contravene crust either among many others. Seems like someone just listed a punch of anarchist punk bands. It was my understanding that what's called "crust" is generally much like grindcore: rediculously hard to understand screeching or deep singing, while being overtly political, like Destroy for example.
- The list needs to be cleaned up because most band links leads to other random pages. In Flames 14:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I just got rid of the list and instead linked to List of musicians of crust punk which I just created. I went through and fixed all the links so that they don't go to random pages. I'm not sure if all those bands should be there though, since I don't listen to crust as much as I would like, so I don't know too many bands. The Ungovernable Force 06:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
All of the references to Black Metal need to be removed. It has nothing to do with crust punk. Not anything apart from maybe a little bit aesthitically, it's a little bit similar, but crust is purely politically driven, black metal is all fantasy and vampires as far as I can tell.Ugly you
--None of the references to Black Metal should be removed because it has a lot to do with crust. Its an example how aesthetically, politically, and culturally crust punk is obviously punk but as far as the sound and the image it has a lot more to do with Black Metal. Listen to Scandi crust and then listen to Black Metal and you'll see a huge similarity. No, this isn't a Black Metal article but if a crust punk band is influenced by Black Metal or a famous Black Metal Musician (i.e. Fenriz) cites crust punk as an influence, it should be included. Exclusion is just puritannical "punker than thou" bullshit.Y.Pestis 11:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
yeah, but only musically, and it's pretty easy to immediately tell which is which, they have some similar guitar riffs but that's about it, I can't think of another similarity, and I take back the aesthetic thing now, wearing black, yeah, and maybe a tiny bit of artwork but you wouldn't mistake a crusty for a goth. Exclusion is probably a bad idea, but it should be made clear how small of an influence it is, it's older as far as I can tell for a start. It's like the difference between quorn and real meat, once you get a decent chance to compare the difference is huge.Ugly you
[edit] CRUSTCORE
What about the mention of the "heavier"/ modern crust punk known as CRUSTCORE? I think some mention should be made. --67.182.43.100 08:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)Christopher Cole
- Never heard of it, but feel free to make a few changes. --Switch 03:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- Is there a difference? I don't listen to much crust, but I always thought crust and crustcore were the same. The Ungovernable Force 05:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- I mean no disrespect but just like in philosophy, there are a hundred different labels for crust punk and I think "crust" pretty much does the trick.Y.Pestis 11:06, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
- Is there a difference? I don't listen to much crust, but I always thought crust and crustcore were the same. The Ungovernable Force 05:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
