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	Pending tasks Add references very important! Add more images Add section on franchise area Improve lead section (see WP:LEAD) Add info regarding Jade Stadium upgrade De-list the article (as per Wikipedia:Embedded_list) Remove redundancies Remove weasel words Resources www.planetrugby.com Official site The Passion - The Stories Behind 125 years of Canterbury Rugby; by Phil Gifford (2004) SANZAR Saga - Ten Years of Super 12 and Tri-Nations Rugby; by Bob Howitt (2005) Ten Years of Super 12 - by Matt McIlraith (2006)

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Contents 1 Name change 2 Infobox 3 Jade Stadium 4 Horsemen 5 Ben Gollings mention 6 GA Passing 7 Paterson is missing from the squads 8 Squad layout

[edit] Name change

This article's name really needs to be changed to the Crusaders, as the team ceased to be known as the "Canterbury Crusaders" a number of years ago. Unfortunately I don't know how to do it, can someone help? Eastpaw

[edit] Infobox

Why do the Crusaders have a different infobox to everyone else? Cvene64 15:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jade Stadium

Er why does it say Jade's capacity is 25,000? Is it not 36,000??

I think you are right, not 100% sur though. I'll check it later on today. Also, please sign your comments with four tides (~). It just helps to know who is saying what! Thanks. - Shudda ^talk 23:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Horsemen

To who ever has been making these great edits, I salute you! But we need to mention the Horsemen. You know, they ride around before the games. Should this go under name and colours? Cheers.--Hamedog_Talk|^@ 14:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I've tried to reorganise the article a bit, the horseman can be found under homeground, I figured that was the most appropriate place to have it as they don't ride around when it's an away game. I rewrote the horseman bit a while back cause it was POV and used a bit of weasel words. - Shudda ^talk 22:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ben Gollings mention

Perhaps we should mention sevens star Ben Gollings in this article - there are current rumors of him being included on the Crusaders roster next year. He will probably be the first overseas international player to play in a NZ S14 team (excluding Pacific Islanders). [1]--Hamedog_Talk|^@ 07:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

It's probably not neccessary just yet, the teams for 2007 will be announced very soon, and considering it's not 100% confirmed yet prob easiest just to wait. I have been thinking about adding it for a few days but figure it's not something someone who wants to learn about the Crusaders would consider important info unless it'd already happened (ie unless it was confirmed he was playing or unless he'd actually played a game). If someone did add it I wouldn't be opposed though, as long as it was properly referenced and well written. - Shudda ^talk 09:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Passing

As a Highlanders fan it pains me to do this but, this is a comprehensive article on a, pretty good, Rugby team. Good Job

†he Bread 03:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for a not very descript review, i was rather short on time, overall the whole article really good, the citatons are good, images are ok, quite well written. One thing I noticed was, what I felt, was some "informal tone" scattered throughout the article, one I noticed was the use of something like "stumbled at the final hurdle", give it a quick check and try and take care of all that before you do FAC, I didn't consider it to be enough to fail the article at GA level though

†he Bread

Cheers for the review! Are you part of WP:RU? If so, I haven't seen you around - nice to meet you. If not, please join up!!!--Hamedog_Talk|^@ 08:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Why not, I'll do what I can to help

†he Bread 01:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paterson is missing from the squads

I really don't want to add anymore, I am on Wikibreak - can someone else do it?--Hamedog_Talk|^@ 11:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Squad layout

Hey, I think i'm going to revert the formatting changes. I list my reasons here, and would like to discuss this before we change it back. I have a few problems:

• Why is it region not province?
• The national flags are redundant (only one non-NZer, and thats not referenced)
• Don't know about the ordering, should it not be either ordered by position or alphabetically, not some (seemingly) random order.
• The read links and incorrect player links (ie Peter Nixon, Ben May)
• The old system was simpler and seemed functional (hey, it passed GA?!)

I've moved the new squad layout to the sandbox here. Please discuss, thanks, - Shudda ^talk 01:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Shudda, first off, congrats on getting GA Status!! I just wanted to post here to say that I have been making some movements to get all the clubs/sides into line, the first step was creating a universal infobox which is now done. A player chart was then created also, which I think should be introduced to every article. See Stade Toulousain, Stade Francais etc. The current box (on Reds/Crusaders etc) is something that I took of the NFL pages. Even though the flags seem redundant, I think we should use them, to show just that, that almost all the players are from NZ. As for the ordering, I have just been putting it in alphabetical order. Cheers Cvene64 02:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Although I can understand why you would want all the rugby teams to have a similar layout, I do not think that the layout Hamedog put up is an improvement on the previous one. For the Super 14 teams, I don't see why they aren't just kept like the current layout here, (and the layouts at the Blues or Brumbies for example). There is a form of conformation already. The flags may be a good idea but all could be made smaller, as for positions, I didn't mention this above but having them only listed as one position is deceiving (most players play in more then one) and the names for the positions can be different in different parts of the world (for example fly-half and first five, scrumhalf and halfback, even back row and flankers). I think the Super 14 teams should just stay as is, thats all, seems like quite a lot of effort for nothing to me. - Shudda ^talk 04:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The point is for a universal squad list though. I have made edits so that the template can display either Fly-half or First Five-Eight and similar. Perhaps changing the template for a 2nd position? We should be creating redlinked articles.09:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Shudda I have plans to make the template be able to accommodate all multiple positions, and other things such as captain. I just really have not done it yet, but it is relevent, and I made the position names the same as those which are at rugby union positions. But I definantly think all teams should use it. Cheers. Cvene64 11:51, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Which format are we going to use? Greg Somerville is spelt wrong too, it is spelt in the squad list as "Sommerville" [sic]--Hamedog_Talk|^@ 12:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I say if it ain't broke don't fix it! I think the current format is fine, it wiki-links to the players who have articles about them, lets you know what positions they play, and there is no real need to state what country they are from (they're all contracted to NZRU anyway). It looks clean, neat and is well laid out. I see no reason to go through all the Super 14 teams and change it. - Shudda ^talk 00:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

While you may think its not broken, the point of the other version, which I placed in the article, is so Rugby union has a universal squad box, like the Infobox. Perhaps we can modify it so there is no flags??--Hamedog_Talk|^@ 05:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Then why not the current one? Some form of box is definitely good (rather then a list), I think the concept of a universal one is a little bit over the top. I do believe that the boxes from teams within one competition should be similar though, but every competition will have different requirements. For example the NA4, Super 14 and Heinekin Cup. Also international teams would need to be diff. - Shudda ^talk 10:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)