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Contents 1 Language of the Crip 2 Women members? 3 Cocaine? 4 Washington High 5 theories 6 Crip nation 7 Crip Walk? 8 Celebs for Crips 9 "Set Beef" 10 Whoever edited the page last... 11 Origin of name 12 hip hop & affiliation 13 1971 founding / cribs->crips mutation 14 List of Crips 15 What happened to the Grape St Crips bandana pic? 16 G Crips 17 The Great divide 18 Where's "Tookie?" 19 Crips in Illinois 20 More information required 21 add link to polish article please 22 lower-income bracket? 23 WC 24 Lloyd banks 25 Gangsta fanboism 26 Fake information 27 Wasting time in discussion 28 Lit Stealing/fake crips 29 A "set"?

[edit] Language of the Crip

In the section about Crip ID, no crip to my knowledge would be using the phrase, "I'll be right baCC", due to the excess of use of B's. May I suggest this be replaced by, "I'll 'e right|'aight aCC", with the suggestion (as a possible substitution), "I shall return henceforth".

Yall got da game all fuCCed up Cuzz....Im Rollin 60 NHC strait outta muthafuCCin 6-Tray an Slauson and i dont kno NO LoC dat talk like dat on sum real Cuzz shit LoC

[edit] Women members?

Do women get involved much with either the crips or bloods as members? As well as drugs, are the gang members involved in prostitution/pimping? Has there been many female victims of the gang violence? Just curious really. LouiseCooke

[edit] Cocaine?

Do we really need an entire paragraph devoted to explaining what cocaine and crack are in the middle of a gang article? I understand that it's related, but there's no reason to expound on the subject when it can just be linked. Bradenmcg 15:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

crack was invented and promulagated in Los Angeles by a Crip named freeway ricky ross. Most gang members make a living (so to speak) by selling crack, and the life of a gang-related drug dealer has become mythologized in popular culture since the beginnings of gangsta rap. i feel it's notable enough to have a section devoted to it.Gilgamesh Rex 18:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Washington High

Washington High is said to be located in Fremont, California. When you click on Fremont, it says its a neighborhood by San Jose, which is 6 hours away from LA. Is there a mistake there?

There are many washington highs. Tookie and some original crips were students at the one in Los Angeles. Reggaedelgado 06:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, and thanks for catching the bad link. I think the one they went to is now formerly called "Washington Preparatory Senior High School",[1] but we don't have an article on it yet. -Willmcw 09:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] theories

I've heard a few theories on how the name "Crip" came about... anyone got books on their history? One theory (i believe!) is that they were first called the "cribs" or came from "cribs", another gang. The second says the letters stand for something - "community, something, something", ... and so forth. I've seen both theories in books and on television documentaries but I'm not sure which to start with. Basically, if you've got a book about these street gangs please add a line or two until we can flesh it out. Don't be afraid to simply say "One theory is..." "...as Mrs. Writer writes in SOME BOOK". We can add all theories here, just cite your sources. I wish I had the information on hand, I hope this helps someone start off. JoeHenzi 22:50, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Community Revolution in Progress, it started as a Black Power movement, but ended up as a gang.

The name Crip is not an acronym for anything, that is a complete fallacy. If you read the book "Blue Rage, Black Redemption" by Stanley Williams' who is the co-founder of the original Crips gang, you will read in the beginning of the book that the original name of the gang was Cribs but it changed to Crips simply because of member mispronunciation. - Patrice Azi

C.R.I.P.S. is an acronym. It stands for Clandestine Revolutionary International Party Soldier. It was cofounded by Stanley "Tookie" Williams. Read Sanyika Shakur's (real name Kody Scott, aka Monster Kody)book Italic textMonster. He explains this in his book. It makes sense too, becuase the gang was formed around 1980, at the end of the reign of the Black Panthers, a similar organization pushing for the advancement of black people.

C.R.I.P. is also thought to have a similar acronym to the above. Current Revolution In Progress.

In the book do or die by leon bing, the formation of the crips and the choice of name is explained in full. in the early sixties there were many independent street gangs in Los Angeles' Compton area. Also residents of the area were many people of asian descent, often immigrants or first-generation, and they were advised by police to travel in groups to avoid gang violence. A group of what would become the crips attacked a group of elderly asians, presumably for money, etc. the police, taking a report from the victims, heard an old women repeatedly refer to one of her attackers as a "crip", due to his limp and use of a cane. The name stuck. Do or Die is also a wonderful read for those interested in the formation and politics of gangs in late 80's/early 90's Los Angeles.Gilgamesh Rex 19:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)insaneeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[edit] Crip nation

Most Crips are actually associated with a much larger gang nation group called the folks. Conversely, the bloods are in the people nation. Crips orginally were called crib gangs. Because most of the members lived on smaller avenues called "crib avenues". Eventually the name changed to crips. The folk nation (which once again includes the crips) adopted the Star of David as their symbol for David Barksdale or King David, a leader the folk nation. Also, the crips wear everything to the left, although the original folks, started in chicago, wear everything to the right. The Gangs have been known to join nation sets due to the need to ally against more powerful gangs. Nation sets also allow for drug trafficking and distribution. In addition, gang nations are important in prisons because prisoner's come from a vareity of cities and gangs. This allows individual gang members to be allied in prison and form gangs without dishonoring their local gang. For information regarding gang nations: [http://www.gang-busters.com/dress%5Chtml%5Cfolks_and_people.aspx Gang nation

Was wondering about this myself. Would you mind making the necessary corrections? Sam Spade 09:05, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Please don't make those "corrections". The material above is not supported by the source listed. This page, Black Gang Information gives a detailed history of the Crips, which does not mention the "folk" gang. However, this website is apparently Chicago-oriented, while the Crips are an L.A.-based gang. The site also mentions several alternate etymologies for the name. The alliances between various street gangs in prison does not equate to alliances out of prison. -Willmcw 21:48, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

The Original Crips was not part of the folk nation. There are no Crips in Chicago. The Crips in LA are not affliated with the Folk nation. Only Crips in other citys do that but they are not real Crips. So the article should not contain Folk nation in it. But after all Crips is the most popular gang in America .There is also to be crips in Illinois,such as Oak Park, Forest Park and in Oak brook. They all maybe Insane crips.

We really should add the "Folk Nation" part. Even though the crips are L.A based, the whole "Folk Nation" thing came along in Chicago, and the crips picked it up.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/gangs/index.html There are about 21 pages on gangs and their sets. Page 13 discribes L.A based gang's, such as the blood and crips, and stating that Bloods traditionally align themselves with the People Nation and Crips with the Folk Nation. I really like the website, has a lot of info on different gangs and such. -Maliki786 15:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Crip Walk?

Is Crip Walk related to this, or do they just happen to share a name? --SPUI (talk) 23:39, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

yes, the crips originated the dance, i added more history to the crip walk article Justinhoude 21:35, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

And for the record, though I can't attest to it, a great deal of people (to include Crips themselves) will openly and vehemently argue against the describing of the C-Walk as a "dance." It's a walk, as the name suggests, and represents a more fluent and commonn, everday thing than a simple dance. Has anyone heard any different? Now I'm going to have to go look at the page to see... --Addama 20:52, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Whatever. We've watched the videos, it's a dance.

The Crip walk is NOT a dance, but a celebration that a Crip performs when he kills a rival.

It's a dance, regardless. It just has more significance than most modern dances, which tend to be basically frivolous. In anthropological terms the C-walk is comparable to tribal war-dances such as practiced by Maoris and native Americans.

The crip walk is in no way shape or form a dance of any sort. When you see it in music videos it is meant to show love to all the true crips watching. There are various forms and meanings that go along wit the crip walk also. Crips will do it after an intitiation, after they put in work, as a signal during a job. A word to the unwise, DO NOT CRIP WALK IN PUBLIC. If you do the crip walk in public you stand a good chance of being taken out the game by a bklood member. Playbkoy G

Crips crip walk to insult rivals by spelling their set out. For example, if a crip see's bloods or any other rival territory gang in the vicinity say as across the street, he'll crip walk to spell his set out to insult him.

[edit] Celebs for Crips

I have noticed two well known people wearing the blue flag out their back trouser pocket.

• Snoop Dogg - Not surprisingly, he made a mention to the Crips in "Drop it like it's hot"
• Gwen Stefani - Very surprising. You can see her wearing it in her Holla Back girl video.

gwen stefani does not rep crips, that was just fashion. Justinhoude 21:34, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

Assuming a color choice for an outfit by a celebrity is an endorsement of gang activity is a great mistake. Even Snoop Dogg wore red track suits once in a while. I would NOT have expected someone to bring Gwen up; that's one of those things that you can use common sense to dispel beforehand. Come on, it's Gwen! --Addama 20:52, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

that is why Tha Game in his last video is dressed with blue (even crips-like signs), though he is a blood ---

I think I once saw Elvis wipe sweat off his face with a blue bandana...I'm thinkin' he was repin!  :) SkaTroma 22:34, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

a lot of people wear red n Bklue n it dont mean nuttin. Im a Crip...King David, 8-Ball, C-51 and i wear red T's sumtimes. It aint bkout what u wear Cuz i alwayz 6ot my fla6 out. You'll neva see me roCCin a red bandana thou6h...:::

If one watches the movie "Menace II Society," one should realize that most if not all of the main charecters are wearing the color blue or other Crips style clothing throughout the film. This is because the directors were originally going to make Caine and O-dog members of a Crips gang but changed there minds because they wanted people in ghettos throughout the country to relate to the film, not just members of the Crips gang.

Colors don't mean shit nemore. Wearin colors is a sure fire way ta let tha cops know what u rep. Most ppl now use tattoos and hats yeah some ppl still wear flags n certain colors but it's jus gon get u locced up earlir. tattoos are tha main way ppl tell each other apart.

[edit] "Set Beef"

The fact about the gang color is mentioned far too often.

There is no 21st crip gang in Long beach. Daz is from Rolling 20's Crips in Long Beach. The only real gang banger that is from the nsane Crips is OG Tray Dee a.k.a "Tracy D." A real gang member is a gangster that actually attended gang meetings and is respected by the members of his his own gang. In due time I will explain more.

Corections about Insane, 21st and rolling 20's being the same gang. I want to make this clear- Insane and Rolling 20's are different gangs and hate each other. We have been killing each other for years and it's never going to change. Its been like that for 35-40 years now. 21st is only a street that the majority of our OG's grew up around and snoop made it famous. Both insane and 20's hung out on this street and that's how we became enemies. EA

[edit] Whoever edited the page last...

...please be careful of grammar and fact-checking. You changed my page and wrote that Daz Dillinger is from Insane Crip, when he's actually from 21st Street. If you're going to make changes, don't do so without discussing them with me.

Regardless of the accuracy of this change - the page isn't "yours". See Wikipedia:Ownership of articles.

On another topic, this page doesn't have anything to say about the actual activities of the Crips; as I understand it drug dealing is a major one. The way this article reads you'd think they're a service club. --Robert Merkel 02:31, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I realize this page may not be "mine" now that I have posted the info, but I do wish people would be kind enough to respect my authority on the subject. The page was recently changed again by somebody who changed Spider Loc's Crip affiliation (I have confirmed info that he's from East Coast Crip), and they also incorrectly posted that Xzibit, Kurupt, and Ice Cube are from sets they're not really from (I even mentioned in my info that Cube is only from Rollin' 60 territory, not a member of the gang).

Well Dude, we have no idea who you are -- you don't even sign your comments. Regardless, this is a wiki, and everyone's an expert. :) The best way to publish your thoughts and not have anyone interfere with them is to create your own web page.

• And if you're upset about people changing information that you've "verified", then providing citations for your sources would probably help. --Dystopos 00:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC).

I'm cracking up at, "You changed my page..." Funny as hell! 64.241.230.3 17:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of name

This is the only method of contacting the site runners without clicking on 300 links, but I think I have some information that you might be interested in involving the origin of the gang name C.R.I.P. or the crips. Crip stands for Community.Revolution.In.Progress. The CRIPS were started as a result of police targeting african men after the weapons ban. This resulted in the CRIPS banning together and traveling from place to place in large numbers to scare off the cops that would often beat and arrest african americans due to the color of there skin.

Thanks for reading, Dirthac820@yahoo.com

I can't imagine that the creators of wikipedia are in the least bit interested in the vaguarities of a single article.

Any chance of a verifiable source for this info? Cheers, -Willmcw 05:49, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

No, 'cause it's not even remotely true. Tookie Williams has made it pretty clear that he started the gang as a response to the random violence at his HS (Washington), and that they got the name because they walked with canes (tookie had broken his leg early in his "career" as a crip Reggaedelgado 17:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

This couldn't be more wrong. I double dog dare you to provide any proof that this, or any of the other "Backronyms" for CRIP have any place in the creation of the name. -Dudepal 10:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Crips were originally called Cribs.. Community revolution in black society.. it later became Crips.

jeeze I always thought it was "crypts"...i've apparently been miseducated...

Unfortunately, everyone above me is wrong. In the book "Blue Rage, Black Redemption," written by Stanley Williams, co-founder of the original Crips gang, Williams asserts that the name Crips is not an acronym. Nor does the name exist because any of the original members were crippled or walked with canes. The original name of the gang was Cribs but it changed to Crips simply because of member mispronunciation.

Do or Die by Leon Bing says different, as i have written above.Gilgamesh Rex 19:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

CRIPS stands for Community Revolutionary Inner-Party Service.

[edit] hip hop & affiliation

I'm not sure we need so much listing & conjecture as to the affiliations of individual rappers (especially relatively unknown ones). It does not provide any useful information...the affiliation of others (especially their specific sets) is not useful, accurate, or very fair to the people listed. It also cheapens the article a bit and may be the cause of some people's complaints that the article glorifies gangs. If you disagree, please say so other wise I'll make changes within a week or so. Reggaedelgado 17:44, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

My complaint about the article glorifying gangs is not only with the rappers: it doesn't mention what the gang's main activities are. Or are you trying to tell me that gangs aren't primarily about dealing drugs and inflicting violence? --Robert Merkel 07:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I told you the same thing in the Bloods article - I think it's quite relevent. Notice that many Wikipedia pages connect their subjects to pop culture in some way or another, and that's what I'm doing by listing rappers with Crip affiliations. If people are curious to know what set a rapper claims, then I see no reason why not - and it's not as if these rappers don't make their gang connections quite well known. On the other hand, there are some rappers who don't bang for any turf but lie about what 'hood they claim, which is why I made a note of this in the above section (for example, I pointed out that Ice Cube is not a Crip, even though he has claimed to be at times). I've also seen people posting misinformation (saying Fabolous is a Crip - LOL), and I've been correcting that. I assure you that almost all of the rappers whose names I've posted are those who are known Crip members, and if I see someone post misinformation, I will delete it (I watch this page regularly). Also, I could care less if some people think this article "glorifies" gangs - you can handle the info or you can't, but don't try to prevent it from being spoken to those who DO care.

you can see my response on the blood page (I'm sure you already have!)

BTW, somebody from Australia keeps posting the names of rappers I've never heard of ("C-Pup"?) and claiming they're Crips. This is laughable to me, because it sounds like certain fans of these Australian rappers are just trying to validate their image. I don't consider anybody who isn't C/B banging in Cali to be anything but a copycat/wanna-be, so I've excluded these people. Also, I'm still trying to confirm some of the other rappers on the list, many of whom were added without my input. I haven't been able to figure out if Guerilla Black is really from Palmer Blocc (and it seems unlikely to me, given that he moved to Compton fairly late in his life).

So, somebody just deleted all the list... Like I said, it needs some tweaking & paring, but I don't think it should be striaght up deleted, especially anonymously & without attention paid to our discussion here!Reggaedelgado 08:29, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

After asking around, I have yet to find any proof that Guerilla Black is actually from Palmer Blocc. I'm also not too sure about Bad Azz, and I've also heard that MC Ren was not KPCC, either (though Eazy and his brother were). Which is why you've always gotta be careful; rumors run deep in this game.

I aint gonna talk like I know for sure but I do know that Bad Azz has claimed on prior songs that he is from Long Beach Insane... if you can validate this than cool otherwise it's just a good place to start...

Actually, Bad Azz was Originally from Water Front Piru in Wilmington Ca. That is aprrox 15mins from Long Beach. He moved to Long Beach when he was a teen and attended Woodrow Wilson High School With his sister. Somehow it was leaked out that he was a Piru and the homies Pay-Dog and and Baby Trey Fingers From ICG (Insane Crip Gang) approached him and of coarse he denied it, saying he did not bang anymore. I think the beat him up real bad but that was 13years ago and I am getting old. Eventually he came back to school and he turned out to be a cool brother and he was never from Insane or 20's. He hung around some of both and eventually started to just represent long beach through his music. While I am on that subject rapper Swoop G originally was from Lantanna Bloc Crips in Compton and also moved to Long Beach when he was a teen. He kept it real and admitted he was from lantanna Bloc but was quickly converted to a Rolling 20 crip by his OG cousin Lil Swoop(Keo), is currently on California's Death Row. The only rappers that are from Insane crip is Tray Deee aka Tracy Dee from the the group "Tha eastsidaz." He was the first and only rapper from Insane to record a album. His is the oldest of all the other rappers and gets big respect because of his "G" status. During the Insane and rolling 20 truce Snoop formed the group the "East Sidaz" which consisted of Goldie Loc who is from 20's, and Tray Dee who is from Insane. Tray Dee was later removed from the group when he shot up Snoop's house over money he was owed. That is what the song Smiles and Frowns" is talking about. All the other rappers are from rolling 20's: Snoop, Lil Half Dead (ironically his brother big Half dead-RIP was from Insane and was killed by an insane on Elm steet, Daz, Warren G,all the members of the "Dove Shack", the TwinZ and even Domino had some affliations. Lil C-style is From 19st and there is only a hand full of them- they are no fator in the hood. I don't know where Kurrpt is from but he is not from Long Beach. If yall have any other questions please let me know. EA

I just know about the Lon

OK, who posted that entire list of rappers with Crip affiliations? Looking over it, I see a lot that aren't accurate at all, and it's excessive and unnecesary. I would prefer we keep this list fairly short and only mention the best-known rappers (like Snoop, Eazy, WC, etc.) rather than all these little-known rappers that few cats outside of L.A. know. - Bad Idea keep it long

-- A catch-all solution might be to only keep the rappers that have their own pages on wikipedia.

Nah, actually, Bad was never from Wilmington. He was originally from Hawaiian, a commune of Long Beach (at the time). He moved to the actual city sometime in the late-mid 80's between '85 to 86, when he was around 11-12. He actually said this on an interview with dubcnn. As for him bein' a crip, many people I know say he's Insane, either that or 21st. And he did say in one of his songs he was definitely crip. This plus the fact he wears a mass amount of black (especially), brown, and blue got to mean he's crip. Plus him and Lil' C said they was from rival sets, and Lil' C's from 19th street for sure.

[edit] 1971 founding / cribs->crips mutation

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/25/AR2005112500950_2.html

says the founding was in 1971, and gives a simple reason for the change from Cribs to Crips: alcohol-induced dyslexia.

-From what I've read elsewhere, Raymond Washington is the originator of the Crips, founded in 1969. -Zelle II- 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The article does not make this clear, but I assume that the drunken mis-spelling is related to gang graffiti? I can imagine a big splashy "CRIPS!" spray painted on a prominent wall, with the painter failing to close the lower loop that turns a P into a B.

And so the Washington Post is the top authority on where the name came from? Someone cut out a bunch of the different possible explanations for the origin of the name, and I think that those deletions should be restored and tweaked a bit. ^BlankVerse 21:28, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

It seems odd to me that we have a clear explanation for the name in the history section, but then list other possibly origins. If the answer isn't clear, shouldn't that be stated in the history (and I can't back this up, but from my own reading I would think that the "cripple"="crips" story is the most prominent. I'm fairly centain that Leon Bing uses that explanation).

And, overall, this article could use a lot more verified sources. Where do we get the information, for example, that Vanilla Ice is a Crip? (a quick Google search didn't show anything to me). How do we know why the Crips stopped wearing so much blue? I have a hard time with thinking that a gang as disorganized, decentralized and splintered could even make a group decision. Couldn't it just be that fashions have changed?

Parts also feel POV: "Any analysis of the origins of the Crips and African-American Street Gangs in general requires an analysis of the deleterious effect of the demise of the Black Panther Party on Los Angeles neighborhoods."

There is a citation after that statement, but the above is still presented as fact. It isn't, it is an opinion: (a)That the death of the Black Panthers was "deleterious" and (b.) that this is the only ("required") method of analying the gang's creation.

I'm not changing anything at the moment, because I'm not prepared to. But this article feels extremely shaky, and some of the anon comments lead me to believe that someone considers themselves an expert and are using themselves as a source. Thoughts? Jordoh 03:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Vanilla Ice ??? A C.R.I.P. ?!? That's funny !!! I'm the One from the Gun. I am no expert, who can be? Things constantly change and evolve in the streets... but what better source for this site than someone who has actually been there from almost day one.(1974) Naw, I dont have every hoods' secrets... but I do know my hood and I know the overall history from the point of view of the SGuNs. But bottom line aint none of us getting paid off this site, it's just a cool outlet for the representation of our lifestyles in the logs of history. And for the prior comment on Blue... The only reason the colors is less prominant is because we all know that the police is hot on that sh**! Bangers have working brain cells too.

Crips is NOT a GANG! It is a TYPE of GANG! Saying you are a CRIP is not enough... You have to actually belong to a set, usually the one you live in. Gunone 19:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)GunOne Gunone 19:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

"BTW, somebody from Australia keeps posting the names of rappers I've never heard of ("C-Pup"?) and claiming they're Crips. This is laughable to me, because it sounds like certain fans of these Australian rappers are just trying to validate their image. I don't consider anybody who isn't C/B banging in Cali to be anything but a copycat/wanna-be, so I've excluded these people. Also, I'm still trying to confirm some of the other rappers on the list, many of whom were added without my input. I haven't been able to figure out if Guerilla Black is really from Palmer Blocc (and it seems unlikely to me, given that he moved to Compton fairly late in his life). "

Yo, yo, yo, yo, lemme speak on this. Being a part of a street gang doesn't make you any more "valid" than if you were a part of the Cherry Hill Gang. A gang is a gang is a gang. If I heard 50 Cent was a part of the Bloods or Crips, it wouldn't change what I think about him (in case you were wondering, I think he's overrated and talks too much shit about everyboy else - look in a mirror). 64.241.230.3 17:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Crips

Recently someone added a large number of names to the list of crips, first of all, I think it's important that this article not become Listcruft. These additions were also not referenced. It worries me, especially if some of these people are still living, that this could be seen as defamatory or libelous. Could someone add references? Unless there is some response I will remove those added today. Makemi 02:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

-- Might be an idea to just remove any that don't have their own wikipedia page. If they are so obscure that they don't, then there's little point having their name here.

I'm no big hip-hop fan but I'm almost definitly sure Snoop Dogg has crip affiliations, he dresses in blue alot of times, does the crip walk, tells non-crips to not do the crip walk among other things

For spider loc it says so in his page and Tray Deee's page says that he was an "og" and was charged with attempted murder by shooting at rival gang members on WC's page it says he does the crip walk and. Aside from that their isnt much evidence for the other ones (aside from being "gangsta rappers") 70.36.241.144 17:31, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

What's so ridiculous is that many of the ones posted have no confirmed gang ties whatsoever, yet some idiot keeps reposting them. It says in the section on the C-Walk that Ice Cube is NOT a Crip, yet this fool keeps posting that he is.

Snoop IS a Crip, cuz if u watch "real soon" he's wearing # 20 on one side of his shirt {Snoop is a part of the rolling 20's}

I've tried to update/reference the list of entertainers affiliated with the Crips. While I'm really uncertain that there's any reason to have this list in the article, I've left any names that can be verfied in for the time being.

• Coolio was taken off. Per his biography, he was never officially inducted. [2]
• B.G. Knocc Out was removed; can't find a single reliable reference for the artist period. I've prod'd his article as well.
• CJ Mac was removed, can't find a reference to him being a Crip either.
• Daz Dillinger, set changed per reference.
• Dresta, ref found.
• Eazy-E, ref found.
• Goldie Loc removed. Very little in the way of ref found, none mention Crips, article prod'd.
• Ice-T, book already referenced.
• Jayo Felony, ref found.
• Kokane removed, no ref to crips found.
• Kurupt removed, no ref to crips found, article now being deleted as copyvio of official website.
• Lil Eazy-E removed, no ref found.
• MC Eiht, ref added.
• MC Ren removed, no ref found.
• Nate Dogg, no ref found.
• Snoop Dogg, our article says so, unable to find verification in any of the references but will keep looking.
• Tone Loc, ref found.
• Tray Deee, no ref found, article prod'd.
• Tweedy Bird Loc, no ref found.
• Warren G, Snoop article claims he is, not able to find source offhand, will keep looking.
• WC removed, no ref found.
• Young Jeezy is crips check the fbi investigation on him

.:.Jareth.:. ^babelfish 00:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Nice work, Jareth! This needed to be done for a while, hopefully people will remain true to it. Originally, I also felt like it was useless and took away from the main article, but I was convinced (above) that if we keep it real short it can add to the article—the problem is that lots of people like to visit this page and add unknown rappers or people who were not even close to crips. Again, nice work!Reggaedelgado 02:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

yes very good work, but kurupt is a crip, imma find a reference

In Whats My Name (off snoops first album) he says "Robbin motherfuckers then I kill dem blood claats" HE has also been referred to as being a crip by several other rappers for what that is worth

WC or Dub C IS a Crip... Daz is Crip Too...Tray Deee is from Insane Crips...He's now in jail for attempted Murder...Kurupt is crip too...

[edit] What happened to the Grape St Crips bandana pic?

What happened to the purple Grape St bandana image? I think it was worth having, as the Grape Street Watts Crips are pretty infamous, certainly one of the most well-known sets, and having the purple bandana image is no different to the green Lime Street Piru bandana over on the Bloods page. I'm not really moaning about it, just wondering why it was taken down. Doctor Atomic 02:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] G Crips

Don't leave out tha G Crips. You gotta mention these guys. They are described as the following:

G-Crips is the slang term for gentleman crips. This group like the crips are a gang, but unlike the crips the G-Crips consist of upper class English and Welsh aristocrats. The traditional dress of the G-crips is a blue dress shitrt under a blue sport coat with blue or black trousers and a blue or black top hat.The G-crips also usually carry a cane. The traditional side arm of the G-crips is the Ruger kmk-512 aka the crip cannon which they get from the IRA. Mostly as a jest the G-crips refer to each others a negroes instead of calling themselves the infamous N-word Probally the most famous G-crip group is the Hanover Crips which are based in Hanover,England. There are also G-crip groups in London, Essex, Greenwhich, Edinburgh and St.Andrews.

We're always looking for new information to include in articles, but it must meet a few policies, most notably it is verifiable and its from another reference that we can cite. If you can list a source which has published the above information, it can be included. Unfortunately, first-hand knowledge, or things without a third-party source aren't included in Wikipedia articles. .:.Jareth.:. ^babelfish 02:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't really improve credibility when the description is taken from urbandictionary.com either. -J

In any case, the information is patently absurd. Hanover is not even in England. There are no gangs of any description in St.Andrews. And as for getting guns from the IRA, well what can I say????

[edit] The Great divide

why yall deleted that part? its true —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rdbsmoove (talk • contribs) 22:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

This article has major verifiability problems. Please WP:CITE sources for any additions or changes you make. 75.0.168.226 22:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

what do u mean? WHO DOESN'T KNOW OR BELIEVE THAT PIRUS USED TO BE CRIPS? OR THAT THEY HAD BEEFED WIT THE WEST SIDE CRIPS, AND EVENUALLY BECME THE BLOODS?

I MEAN, EVEN IN THE STUFF THAT PROBALLY WASN'T TRUE LIKE THE PURPLE CITY BYRD GANG SHIT, I ONLY SAID THAT IT WAS A RUMOR, NOT THE TRUTH, GO TO THE HOOD AND LISTEN FOR ONCE.

and a put a source on my new editing part

[edit] Where's "Tookie?"

I think you should add in Stanley William's middle name(Tookie). He deserves his recognition. Even if he is deader than hell right now. He may have been a criminal, but he only did it to survive. After all, most people only know him as Tookie, from his movie.

Movements

[edit] Crips in Illinois

There are many Crip gangs across the U.S, known to be in just about every state, but they say that the Crips are expanding quikly around the U.S and starting to outnumber The Bloods and any other rival gangs. Crips are mainly starting to become big in Illinois subarbs such ass Lawndale and Oak Park,Ill In Lawndale there mainly spotted to be on cannon ave(called Cannon Crips)and in Oak Park there starting to be on Madison ST.The east side of Oak Park,ILL. And in Oak Park,ILL the crips allies are the 4corner hustlers. Oak Park and Lawndale were once Peacefull neiberhoods,are now turning into gang neiberhoods. The Insane Crips in Illinois, colors are known to be Blue-white,gold. But for now there mainly in lawndale, there estimated to be about 85crips apart of the Cannon Crips crew they are known to have already have made crimes,possesion of drugs,graffiti and to have possesion of dangerous weapons and the Cannon Crips are known to have as much as 12 blocks in there pessesion.In Oak Park they say they are just starting there movements around the East Oak Park Madison st. area.In Lawndale the Cannon crips was known to be started im 2004 but in about May, 2006 Blacks start hanging around the very few crips that they were in Lawndale, and they had joined the gang. They say that you have to put in work to be a crip, such as sell drugs or battle a rival gang members. In Oak Park,ILL Crips has just started the movement this year(2006) and is exspanding quickly around East Oak Park,Ill.In Oak Park,Ill The crips are known to have 6 blocks in there territory.

Do they own it? You know, going to a realtor, paying a down-payment and closing costs. Probably not. It's not theirs. A movement? Whatever. Take the pillow from your head and put a book in it! - KRS-ONE DonMEGA⁶⁰⁶⁴⁵ 15:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Some say that possession is 9/10 of the law. No realtor in the world will touch somewhere that has heavy gang activity. Doesn't matter what some random pieces of paper or computer records say if someone else has effective control of a place.

Let's say a gang has "control" over a certain block that's owned LEGALLY by "Mr. Greenberg." Let's say Mr. Greenberg decided to sell his property to a condo developer. Are you going to tell me that the gangs are going to override the agreement between Mr. Greenberg and the developer? I don't think so. They're gonna get bulldozed right out. Don^MEGĂ60645^Talk|Contribs 16:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, more than likely they would just start hanging out there again once the new place was built.--68.230.70.235 02:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More information required

To stem violence between the Crips and Bloods, a peace treaty was recently negotiated, most notably in Watts, the treaty being largely based upon the ideals laid forth by original Crip co-founder Stanley Tookie Williams in his "Tookie Protocol For Peace".

By whom? When? What is your source?

Rintrah 09:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

yea they got sum bKlue red shit Called pKurpKle 4 pKeaCe in slobKs N C^ripKz]

if ya want more info bKout C^ripKz then ask me —The preceding unsigned comment was added by OG loc (talk • contribs) .

HUH? Did you know that there are a bunch of "k"s in your message? What's that about? You got a sixth finger that keeps hitting that "k"? Oh, and it's "some", not sum. While I'm asking, you keep putting capital "c"s in the message. Why? 64.241.230.3 14:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Maybe he's typing on a Dance Dance Revolution pad and has to cross out the "B" for "Bloods" everytime? No idea about the "P", though, unless that's considered an "inverted" "B" or something. Also would explain why he keeps on capitalising the "C" (for "Crips").

Either way it's a nightmare to read and seems too childish to be some kind of serious honour code. See below for my rant about wiki'ing "gangstas". — Ashmodai ^{(talk · contribs)} 22:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Isn't that written in l33t? He attests that he is a gansta. However, if both statements are true, nerds are getting more dangerous. Multiplayer Counterstrike games (and whatever else they play) might turn lethal, with players resolving disputes by drive-by's. Upsetting a nerd is dangerous if he is also a Crip or a Blood. He might kill you, or blast you on the internet. Rintrah 21:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

it3 i pKut tha Ks C^uzz is BK bKlood killa N PK pKiru killa, well idC wat ya think bKout it bKut if ya 2 make a pKerfeCt C^ripK artiCle ya gonna need tha name of tha bKiggest sets, N a list of rappKers 2, like eazy was KPCC snoopK was rollin 20s etc N if ya think ima online gangsta idC C^uzz im a soldier in SSLC, so w/e, if ya wanna noe more shit bKout C^ripKz juss ask, bKut im not gonna answer knowledge, knowledge is a set of questions u need 2 noe if u real C^ripK, sum of tha Qs r wats in ur Closet? wats unda ur bKed?

N i Cant tell ya tha answers so ya need 2 talk bKout knowledge

C40 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by OG loc (talk • contribs) .

Okay. So you try to appreciate the criminal organisation you claim allegiance to by suffixing certain letters with a "K" in order to show your disapproval of the organisations with the same initials and capitalising or emphasising every occurance of the letter "C" to point out how great you think your organisation of choice is.

I'm in no position to question that practice beyond what it does to your legibility, but I would like to ask you to at least try to adhere to English grammar and spelling in general. Dialogue involves more than one person and you will only be able to get your message across if you can put it in a way the other person understands -- and on English Wikipedia the general consensus is one of the standards of the English language (US American, Oxford, etc).

Also, I am not particularily interested in the specifics of any criminal organisation whatsoever, especially not any of the various American gangs that are widely unknown outside bad Hollywood movies, Rap music or the part of the US they operate in. Sorry to disappoint you. — Ashmodai ^{(talk · contribs)} 02:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I think I get it - he's really saying:

Alright, I put the Ks because BK is Blood Killer and PK is Piru Killer. Well, I'd see what you think about it, but if you make a perfect Crip article, you're going to need the name of the biggest sets and a list of rappers too, like Eazy (I'm thinking Eazy-E) was KPCC (huh?)Snoop was Rollin 20s (I saw the article), etc.

And if you think I'm an online gangster I'd see because I'm a soldier in SSLC (huh?), so w/e (huh??) if you want to know more [stuff] about Crips, just ask, but I'n not gonna answer knowledge. Knowledge is a set of questions you need to know if you're a real Crip. Some of the questions are whats in your closet? What's under your bed?

No, I can't tell you the answers, so you need to talk about knowledge.

I'm with Ashmodai. I don't know what you do when you're not on the computer, but when you are on and you type like that - it looks unintelligent. I don't want to be accused of attacking another user (and I see you are a user) of wikipedia, but if you have enough intelligence to go whereever you are and type out all that [stuff] (do you get used to typing bk every single time, and, btw - from your explanation, you probably should've spelled rapper, rapkpker - lemme stop lol), you should have enough intelligence to realize you're on a road to either death or jail, if you haven't been locked up already. There's nothing else I want to know about a gang or organized crime, except for when they disband or start doing something positive in the hood. Don^MEGĂ|60645 15:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

well w/e i was juss tryin 2 helpK wit this artiCle

C40 loC

The problem is it's hard to figure out what you're saying with the "C"s and "K"s in your messages. And misspelling small words. I don't know you at all, but seeing stuff like that is just irritating - to me anyway. I get it that you're "repping your set". Can't you do that without all that pK and other stuff? Probably not, but I figured I'd ask. I'm not trying to attack you - just trying to help. Don^MEGĂ|60645 12:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

it3 iz all good loC

C40

[edit] add link to polish article please

add [[pl:Crips]] please

[edit] lower-income bracket?

i'd suggest "poor people"

[edit] WC

even though you cannot find a reference to WC as being a crip in songs by other rappers they all say that he is from 111 N hood crip

...And this is important because...64.241.230.3 13:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

are you an idiot he was explaining how WC is a crip which in the above articles was said not to be one b/c of ref problems

[edit] Lloyd banks

Lloyd banks never said he was a crip or anything. He has said it him self that blue is his favourite colour and that is why he wears it not because he is trying to be a crip to increase incredibility

Good. 64.241.230.3 13:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Exactly Just because someone rocks yellow for example juelz santana doesnt mean hes affiliated to the latin kings and also the touch it video has a theme of colours (Busta himself is wearing red in the bit with him and the Flipmode squad that doesnt mean theyre bloods.) Mary J. Blige's wearing white,X's rocking black and Papoose wears green doesnt mean hes affiliated to the Grape St. Crips! I think that piece of the article deserves deletion! Actually on a G-unit radio mixtape Banks states "I'm from a blok where they sell crakk and Cripped up" take it how you want it. Also Young Bucc& Spider Loc is Crip so it's not that hard to see him being Crip, Game always calls them G-unot or G-unit Crips so it's some truth to his affiliation.

[edit] Gangsta fanboism

I would like to remind some of the editors that this is an article about a criminal group of thugs, thieves and murderers, not some kind of pop band or chivalrous order.

I understand that MTV may have added to the popularity of "ghetto" stereotypes, but apart from their notability there's nothing about this group of people that makes them particularily special, let alone worthy of fanboism.

As for the discussion about Crip Walking: it's a dance. You don't call it a dance because you don't like the ring of it, but it's got about as much to do with "walking" as eurythmy and can only be described as a "dancing walk" at best.

Also, a rule of thumb: if you can afford Internet access and know how to edit Wikipedia, chances are good you're not a ghetto kid, so don't pretend to be one. There's nothing particularily cool about being one in the first place, so why bother pretending? These kids have it difficult enough without someone attempting to imitate them, shrink-wrap it and sell it to those better off so those can pretend to be "in touch" with "the street".

The only thing catchy about a "gangsta" life is that it's usually high on sex and drugs and ends way before any of the after-effects have a chance of kicking in (that is to say, you probably don't make it past your teens or twens). If it's sex and drugs you want, you can get those anytime you want already -- and if not, how likely is it you'd be capable of archieving any kind of position as a "gangsta" where you could if you already can't make it in a civilised setting? If it's early death you want, there's easier ways to accomplish that than to do the dirty work for a bunch of thugs.

Sorry for rambling. — Ashmodai ^{(talk · contribs)} 22:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, what he said. Don^MEGĂ|60645 13:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

iz not a bkunch of thugs nicca is a fuccin family, damn loc ya dont noe wat ya talkin bkout--EZ 05:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Learn more about the language everyone else uses: Standard English. Grammar and spelling can be learnt with practice. Good luck! Rintrah 11:08, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

nicca y u gettin smart, idc wtf ya niccas speak, ya wrong crip is not a fuccin criminal group, is a family--EZ 22:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

aight am sorry bout talkin like dat Rintrah, it juss gets me mad, dat ppl say dat crips is juss a bunch of thughs, cuz is not, again am sorry i juss hav this temper lol --EZ 00:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Crips ARE thugs. The only problem is that people demonize thugs too much... Yes, Crips are people too, with feelings and friendships and lovers and loyalty and all the rest of it. But it's also undeniable that Crip sets deal addictive drugs and commit violent crimes, often against their fellow Crips. Don't get sucked in by all the 'BK 4 Life' and 'brothas in blue' glorification - it's only one aspect. Those days died in the 80's when crack flooded the ghettos. These days money talks louder than any of the old-style gang 'honor' that there ever was. Gotta take it all in together, the good and the bad.

yup them days r over, but im still proud of bing crip C51 EZ 19:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Why? What's the point? Don^MEGĂ|60645 18:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

what do u mean whats the point? im crip and proud--EZ 00:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

It's all tribal, that's the point. Frequently people have loyalties to a group 'just because'. Patriotism is another example - my country, right or wrong; lots of people everywhere follow that credo. It's not a rational position that asks 'why', rather it's an emotive position that goes unquestioned. Not my cup of tea really. How does this relate to the topic? Well, streetgangs are neither 'just' groups of thugs or 'only' a family.

well it stated as a family, but now is just about the money--EZ 05:54, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Let's start this off by saying that i'm not hood at all, whatsoever. But, from what i have listened to and read gangsters say in their own words, the "ghetto star" lifestyle is the only real choice available in the inner-city. Ashmodai, i agree with you that the commoditization of the lifestyle is unfortunate, but i might suggest that perhaps questioning other users "legitimacy" due to their ability to access the internet and make a wikipedia account is not in good faith. just a thought. lets work on the article, rather than debating the rationality of the many choices we all make.Gilgamesh Rex 21:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fake information

Where does it say Kim Greene started the Crips? Valoem ^talk 16:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

yeah —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.11.77.199 (talk • contribs). 15:59, 10 October 2006

Well if I may say something, My boyfriend is part of a crip gang and has been for over 10 years. I have meet his friends who are also in the gang with him. I have watched them personally "crip walk" and throw up all the gang signs. They have tattoos of the 6 point stars and the pitch folk on them. I have read the literature and learned all the information myself that has come from lots of other crips. It's a hard life to be in a gang and its even harder get out of one. I have seen lots of things that i didnt want to see but shit happens. I love him with all my heart and if this is the life he chooses then im there for him. watching him hold his best friend in his lap that had been shot in the head is a life touching situation. He is only 28 and i am 26. we have a son together who is going to live on in his name god forbid something happen to him. for all of you who think that this kind of lige is a joke...it is not. I deal with it everyday.

I know what you mean. C-walkin, and watchin ur back, watchin ur boys die isn't shit someone wants to see. But for a G it's all u see, every day and u can only do so much ta stop it from happenin ta ur fam. I've got 4 kids, two girls and two boys. They've watched their uncles get shot in the front yard they know to get on the floor if there's shots. This shit isn't a game it's real shit. This shit isn't for anyone. man it's a fucced up life to be in. U can't get out, U can't even hang ur fuccin flag nemore. Bacc when it started it wuz all bout keeping the community u lived in safe NOT about drugs or money. It was watchin tha baccs of your family and keepin shit from happenin. Down the line it got all bout drugs n money n fuccin girls. At least wit everyone else. It also got to be bout killing someone cause of a color, when it started it wuzn't like that it wuz boys hangin on corners makin sure that ppl in they hood was safe. Ya I'm a G who the fucc cares? I don't go rob stores n shit I don't need tha fuccin money or tha drugs. I kno the history I kno wut it wuz before it started and I kno wut it's become n I don't like it. It ain't no fuccin joke.

[edit] Wasting time in discussion

It seems to me that instead of improving the article, alot of time is being spent by editors trying to translate the unrequired [read: unreferenced] information being passed by alleged "Cripks" in the discussion. I suggest that someone should clean up the discussion via removing any ongoing conversations and backtalk from "gangsta's" about whether their lifestyle is valid or not, and try to stick to the facts of the article and how it can be improved. If noone gives me a good reason why I shouldn't do this within the next 5 days or so, i'm going to go ahead and clean up the discussion.--FrogKermit 04:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

If you are talking about archiving the discussion on this talk page, see Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page on how to do it. ^BlankVerse 10:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

clean it up, im just saying, im a crip, if you want info ask me --EZ 22:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, EZ, sources need to be printed matter or reliable web archives, rather than personal experience or original research. no disrespect, but those are the rules. See WP:NOR

Gilgamesh Rex 21:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lit Stealing/fake crips

when the crabs spread out of LA and teamed up with wannabe GD's they stole the lit the fake GDs managed ta steal and made a 8ball fake alliance and now they claim 6's. just like the slobs stole the 5 from fakeass out of town vicelords. true shit and i aint got no links im a witness to this shit —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 7LonCkity9 (talk • contribs) 01:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Crabs? GDs? Stole the lit? 8 Ball fake alliance? Claiming 6s and stealing 5s? What does any of this even mean? --S0uj1r0 16:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, Since you probably just dont understand gang language then I'll break it down to you.

Crabs : Disrespect word used towards Crips

G.D.'s : Gangster Disciples/Growth & Development, A black street gang/organization from Chicago

"Stole The Lit" : Stealing gang literature or "Knowledge"

8-Ball Alliance : A alliance between the Gangster Disciples and the Crips that started in a meeting in Kansas City in 1993. The meeting was actually made to make the G.D.'s and Crips around America to become allies, and nothing else. But it caused alot of mix-ups, and some Crip sets took gang knowledge from G.D.'s, took the 6 Point Star (a G.D. symbol in which every point of the star has a meaning) and started giving honor to G.D. creators, such as King David Donise Barksdale (deceased) and King Larry Hoover (incarcerated). When all of this happened, King Larry Hoover called off or "broke" the 8-Ball in 1995, but due to the widespread affiliations of the G.D.'s and Crips in the U.S., many gangs did not hear that this happened, and there are still gangs that claim the 8-Ball. Some 8-Ball gangs also know that this happened, but choose to still claim it. This is not a problem in Los Angeles or Chicago, but in other sattelite cities such as New York, Atlanta, New Jersey etc. there is alot of confusion.

6's and 5's are just star symbols used by the Folk and People Nations of Chicago.

I'm a strait representa of da Rollin 60 N-H00D Crip. All my N-H60D Rollin 60 niggas stand da fuCC up cuzz!!!! Cuzz Luv R.I.P. Tookie

[edit] A "set"?

Pardon me, but what exactly is a set? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.98.243.249 (talk) 05:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

The People Nation and Folk Nation are not gangs - they are alliances under which gangs are aligned.

A simple comparison might be the National and American baseball leagues. The National League is not a team - it is the alliance under which teams like the LA Dodgers and Atlanta Braves are aligned. The American League is the alliance under which the Baltimore Orioles and New York Yankees are aligned taken from: http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/gangs/

People's Nation sets: (excluding Bloods) Latin Kings Vicelords Spanish Lords El Rukns Bishops Gaylords Latin Counts Kents

Folk Nation sets: (excluding Crips) Black Gangster Disciples Black Disciples Gangster Disciples Imperial Gangsters La Raza Spanish Cobras Latin Eagles Latin Disciples Maniac Latin Disciples Simon City Royals Spanish Gangster Disciples Two Sixers International Posse