Talk:Creation

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The text about the Big Bang Theory and other scientific explanations for the "origins" of the universe should either 1) be moved to another page, such as Creationism versus Naturalism or 2) summarized in a paragraph that states that most scientists do not believe that the Universe was the result of "creation."

As the "Creation" page now reads, the text about the Big Bang Theory is irrelevant to the subject of "creation"--since the Big Bang Theory says nothing about something creating something else. Rednblu 18:38, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Acccording to the Big Bang Theory the universe was created by the Big Bang. - Patrick 21:20, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Are you sure about that? As I read the physics books, the "Big Bang" was just another manifestation of the natural phenomena. Where do you get the "created by" dogma? Rednblu 14:59, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)

This article suggests that the concept of "creation" does not necessarily imply the involvement of any supernatural intervention, the existence of a god or demiurge, or belief in the God of the Bible. It also suggests that religious views of creation do not necessarily exclude evolution. There are tell-tale artifacts of Mormonism (or similar non-traditional "judeo-christian" view) throughout this article; but not so strong as to call into question the sincere attempt to be neutral. I think that the article intends to set the terms under which all ideas of "Origins" are discussed, elsewhere in the encyclopedia. Mkmcconn 21:44, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Surely there must be a Creator if there is a Creation. That would seem to be a result of the English language. Can you give me an example of a "Creation" without a "Creator"? For example, would you speak of the "Creation of the Grand Canyon"? You might, but it would be metaphorical and not scientific--something like "The Language of the Grand Canyon." That is neither the "language" nor the "creation" of the Grand Canyon would be of scientific interest.

Therefore, it seems to me that the following statement is wrong.

<<The creation of the Universe is a subject of scientific . . . interest.>> Rednblu 15:28, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)

It's not scientific in a technical sense, but it's the way that English works, I think. The "creation of the Grand Canyon" is only a shade more colorful than "formation of the Grand Canyon". But, I'm just trying to be as conciliatory as I can; speaking my personal opinion, if you are trying to avoid giving the glory of the one Creator to any of His creatures, you have my whole-hearted blessing. Edit boldly! :-) Mkmcconn 16:31, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I'm thinking--digesting your thoughts. Rednblu 19:00, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I think the main problem here is the word "creation". The definition given in the article is vague : "Creation is the process of making something new". What level of thing are we talking about ? Are we talking about new structures of matter formed from pre-existing matter (as we commonly understand it), or entire objects popping out of nothing (as Christians believe) ? Perhaps it means to encompass both definitions, but to me they are completely different, and only sow confusion when conflated, as I think this discussion demonstrates. Franc28 08:15, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Introductory section 2 Creation article by a creationist? 3 merge? 4 from existing matter ?

[edit] Introductory section

This article needs a lead section. I'm not sure if I want to get involved in editing this page, so I'm mentioning it here. Dbenbenn 19:16, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The term-family (Creator, Creating, Creation) also might need disambiguation; e.g., People are the Creator(s) of original works of art.

Please sign your name using four tildes, it helps your message gain respect and weight on Wikipedia.Twobytwo 19:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Creation article by a creationist?

I've heard of scientific creation theories (as opposed to evolutionary origins theories discussed under that topic here), which I hoped to find some coverage on by someone with related credentials who represents those theories or ideas. How can we get such contrbutions? The article falls short of expectations. There's other topics where I could expect to find the same facts and point of view given in the article.

There is no such thing as "scientific creation", let alone "scientific creation theories". I would humbly suggest that you do not know what "scientific" or "theory" actually mean. Franc28

[edit] merge?

why is this article separate from Creation belief? Ungtss 19:25, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] from existing matter ?

"Some believe God organized worlds from existing matter" I have NEVER heard such a thing. What religion or what sect proposes this ? Franc28 01:00, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

If no one can answer this question, then I'll have to edit it back for being a completely spurious claim. Franc28 09:22, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

As a devout Christian and Creationist, I can find no Biblical text that says anything except "God created the Earth". He made the Earth from nothing.Twobytwo 19:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

So, Twobytwo, you were there? If not, who are you to limit God to only one form of life? I can neither argue on a supreme truth level with either Creation or Evolution, so I will argue what I believe, Evolution.The open mind 19:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)