Talk:Cranbrook Schools
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I removed Harvard University from the list of colleges because it is part of the Ivy League, mentioned as a group earlier.
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I merged some content from it as per its AFD debate. Johnleemk | Talk 10:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Split
This page should be divided, it refers to three seperate schools as one. Brookside is not Cranbrook Kingswood School and the Middle Schools are not apart of the Upperschool, Perhaps it should be moved to Cranbrook Schools.--Elatanatari 20:23, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps the thing to do is simply to note somewhere toward the beginning of the article that, technically, these are three different schools. They are so interwoven, historically and physically and architecturally, that it would, in my view, make the article less useful to split it up. JohnInDC 13:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Non-Alumni
There are several people in the Notable Alumni list who did not graduate from Cranbrook, but are former students. Should there be a new category for these people?
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- Actually by definition "alumnus" includes anyone who ever attended a school, so the entries are proper as they are. JohnInDC 22:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Non-notable Alumni
I removed three entries from the "notable alumni" listing as simply non-notable. As best I can tell, Mark Crain is the founder of a two-year-old web design firm with no apparent claim to fame or notoriety -- which, given the number of web design firms being founded nowadays would seem to be a prerequisite for inclusion here. Otherwise he's just one of several hundred (thousand?) Cranbrook / Kingswood alums who founded their own business. The entry strikes me as an ad rather than anything actually informative. Suai Kee has a recording contract and a local gig but otherwise is well below the popular radar yet. Likewise the entry seems more promotional than informational. Finally, anyone can run for state representative - if Eric Gregory wins, by all means, put him in.
Until then, none of these qualifies as "notable" yet and their inclusion here is unwarranted. JohnInDC 22:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Whats the criteria for Notable? A recording contract with and internationally known Label? A nationally known company? A candidate for a national public office?--Elatanatari 23:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Good rhetorical questions, but generally I'd say the criteria must include actual accomplishment, and not mere potential. What we have with these three, as far as I can tell (since there is little third party information on these proto-notables): A recording contract with no actual releases; a (co-)founder of a business not obviously distinguishable from maybe 10,000 others like it; and a candidate for state (not national) public office. All of them are *hoping* to become notable; none of them *are*. Compare them to any of the others on the "notable alumni" list, who are famous within their fields and often outside of them as well. JohnInDC 23:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Let me suggest a kind of gedanken test for prospective notables: Imagine that it's ten years from now and nothing has changed - do their current accomplishments still qualify them as "notable"? Pete Dawkins and his Heisman, Mike Kinsley and his editorial fame, sure. But: "had a recording contract with Motown [and her one record didn't sell that well]" or "ran for state representative [ten years ago and served a single two-year term]" just don't stand up. Said another way, I'd hate to see the list cluttered with every alum who ever had a book contract or founded a company or ran for office. Indeed it's a measure of how ephemeral such accomplishments are - or can be - that we haven't the vaguest idea of who those alums might *be*. JohnInDC 13:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure to whom to direct this request, because the changes are coming from different IP numbers, but I suspect it is the same person: Please stop repeatedly adding the same two or three names to the "notable alumni" list. These recent graduates may indeed be enjoying more than the usual success in the early stages of their lifetime career endeavors but that is far from enough to qualify them for this list. As I've suggested before, wait a few years until their achievements are something more than merely precocious or local. JohnInDC 17:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
About the president of Gunnie (i am sorry but spelling is not my forte), i am sure that it is not he, but his son that attened Cranbrook, i do remeber coming across that bit of information before in a story about his son controling the nations oil but i dont beleve that he him self attened. i contacted the school and they had no comment on it since he is consitered a dictator i am sure they do not want to be associated with him.
- I've seen the same kinds of things - "he played soccer there" - but I think the only issue is whether his attendance can be verified. (Which is probably worth doing come to think of it.) I mean, notorious or not, if he went to the school he is certainly a "notable alumnus" and ought to be included whether or not Cranbrook regrets the association! JohnInDC 15:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'll ask around tommorow.Elatanatari 16:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
