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Contents 1 The Chinese Government needs to stop being evil 2 Neil Bush 3 Please be civil 4 Civility, POV tags 5 Talk: Neil Bush 6 Neil Bush mediation

[edit] The Chinese Government needs to stop being evil

我强烈不同意中国政府和互联网的审查它法西斯主义的实践从它自己的人民。为那些您在中国之后伟大的防火墙，您能访问由中国的防火墙当前阻拦) 的boingboing.net (通过这个链接这里:

链接被翻译从英语到汉语

I strongly disagree with the Chinese govt. and its fascist practice of censorship of the internet from its own people. For those of you behind the great firewall of China, you can access boingboing.net (which is currently blocked by China's firewall) through this link here:

http://markchristian.org/projects/dbb/random.php

Thursday, April 20, 2006
Google in China: The Big Disconnect
Snip from an extensive feature by Clive Thompson in the NYT:

The small rooms were full of eager young Chinese men in hip sweatshirts clustered around enormous flat-panel monitors, debugging code for new Google projects. "The ideals that we uphold here are really just so important and noble," Lee told me. "How to build stuff that users like, and figure out how to make money later. And 'Don't Do Evil' " — he was referring to Google's bold motto, "Don't Be Evil" — "all of those things. I think I've always been an idealist in my heart."

Yet Google's conduct in China has in recent months seemed considerably less than idealistic. In January, a few months after Lee opened the Beijing office, the company announced it would be introducing a new version of its search engine for the Chinese market. To obey China's censorship laws, Google's representatives explained, the company had agreed to purge its search results of any Web sites disapproved of by the Chinese government, including Web sites promoting Falun Gong, a government-banned spiritual movement; sites promoting free speech in China; or any mention of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. If you search for "Tibet" or "Falun Gong" most anywhere in the world on google.com, you'll find thousands of blog entries, news items and chat rooms on Chinese repression. Do the same search inside China on google.cn, and most, if not all, of these links will be gone. Google will have erased them completely.

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/04/20/google_in_china_the_.html

4/20/06 Heckler disrupts Chinese President Hu's speech on south lawn at White House: 'President Bush, stop him from killing'... 'Stop persecuting the Falun Gong,' she yelled... She also shouted in Chinese, 'President Hu, your days are numbered, No more time for China's ruling party'... woman was taken away by uniformed secret service officers... right after Bush urged Hu to allow Chinese to 'speak freely'... She also unfurled a yellow 'Falun Gong' banner... She had a temporary pass with a big 'T' on it...

On China TV: As Hu Jintao was speaking, as yells of protesters became audible, the screen went black. Feed then came back and once again went black when woman was once again audible. During CNN International's post-speech commentary, at mention of south lawn heckler, screen went black again... feed returned when topic was no longer being discussed...

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/20/D8H3Q6104.html

[edit] Neil Bush

Please stop the reverting of people trying to make the Neil Bush article better. It isn't vandalism, it's an attempt to come to some sort of concensus wording. BlazinBuggles 15:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I've got to agree with BlazinBuggles: please try to assume good faith and not refer to those edits with which you simply disagree as vandalism.--67.101.67.197 15:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I've read the Talk Page, have you? It's already been shown that this section belongs within the article according to wikiguidelines. I don't see an effort to make the article better, I see you going in and erasing huge chunks of a section without having consensus, policy, sources or good reasoning on your side. After the 10 millionth time or so this happens it's at that point beyond good faith and I'm going to call a vandal a vandal. Cowicide 15:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Having read the talk page you are of course aware that both BlazinBuggles and I (and others) have made quite an effort to generate a compromise. You should also have noticed I have not made any recent edits to the article itself. I've noticed that some of those that have made edits that you have termed "vandalism" were actually not blind reverts but attempts at refactoring the wording. You may want to take another look.--67.101.67.197 17:18, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I was referring to "both" of you since you tend to act as one unit. I took another look and continue to see massive "blanking" with very minimal "rewording" of the section as opposed to "refactoring of the wording" and what's that other good one you use...? "consensus wording"...? Hmmm... all that ROTWing and CWing looks strangely enough like blanking (a.k.a. vandalism). Look, you can try to redefine reality all you want through talking points that mean nothing and confuse people, but it won't work on me. You're not smart enough. Later. Cowicide 18:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I humbly suggest you entertain the possibility that, given that several editors appear to "act as one unit," perhaps there is an alternative viewpoint which should be taken into account in good faith. Although I'll note that if you read talk carefully you will notice that I am perhaps best considered to be inbetween the positions of, on the one hand, BlazinBuggles, Shortcut.Road, Schlotzky, & co., and on the other hand, you, Wikipediatrix, & (I think based on edits, because this user hasn't commented in talk), CharoletteWeb.--67.101.67.197 18:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

As long as the vandalism stops, I have no problem with alternative viewpoints and productive editing. We're never going to all agree on everything, but that's the nature of wikipedia. We need to come to a reasonable compromise instead of the nasty deletions of almost the entire section that's going on right now. Cowicide 19:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please be civil

I know you don't know me, but your comment about "my occular" was quite hurtful. I do have considerable vision limitations, but my reading and comprehension is still very good. AuntEthel 15:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Please get real, you just created your "account" and the only thing you've been able to "focus" on since is the Neil Bush article and the biased harrassment of those who think the Boris section belongs there. You are very obviously a sockpuppet afraid to show your IP address range. If you have any further issues with me, take it up with an administrator and see if they'll help a sockpuppet. They won't, but you are welcome to try. AuntEthel, I wish you luck with your occular challenges. Cowicide 15:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Civility, POV tags

It is considered very bad form to remove a POV tag added by another editor (Schlotzman on the Neil Bush article), *especially* when the editor who added it is not yet satisified and is actively participating in discussion. Also, please assume good faith and don't accuse other users (AuntEthel) of being sockpuppets.--67.101.66.89 16:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

There was no disinterested 3rd party and consensus to add the POV tag so it has been removed until it's inserted properly. The neutrality issue has been resolved as far as I'm concerned. If you don't think that I can remove the POV tag because I'm not a disinterested 3rd party and haven't reached consensus then you must agree that it shouldn't have been added in the first place. You're locked into a catch-22. You have to either admit that an editor embroiled in the dispute without consensus shouldn't add the POV tag in the first place or you have to agree that I can remove it.

And...don't worry, we'll get a checkuser of all you guys and we'll see for sure who is the sockpuppets or not. Also, once again... we need a disinterested 3rd party to add the POV tag, not someone who uses it as a weapon in their "battle". I stand by my removal of the POV tag and will gladly stand by its addition by a DISINTERESTED 3rd party... not suspected sockpuppets and others who have been embroiled in this dispute. Is that civil enough for you/aunty/sockpuppets/whatever? Cowicide 16:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

67.101.66.89, BTW... speaking of single-purpose accounts and sock-puppets... I find it interesting that you, like Aunty... just appeared out of "nowhere" on Wikipedia and are suddenly full of insights into the dispute. Wow... you're amazing. How come you haven't used all that insight to edit anything anywhere else? Seems like almost all your small amount of effort at Wikipedia simply goes into one small section of one article's Talk page in regards to one small issue. I'll give you one thing... you're very focused... kind of like a focus group who pushes POV on behalf of others, but that's not you... right? You just so happened... heh... I'll stop here... you get the point. Welp, I'm going to put on my socks, get dressed and head out to work. Have a nice day. Cowicide 17:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I generally submit to answering this sort of personal attack about once a year, (some advice: normally the best response is to ignore it), but I haven't for 2006, so I'll give you the 2006 answer: I have been editing on wikipedia since 2002. While there are certainly some uses for using a login, I choose to not make one for several reasons, among which are the desire to avoid getting overly addicted. It's been a convenient situation that IPs have been further limited over the years - I don't have to feel obligated to start new articles or create new redirects, for instance. I also have made this choice due to certain beliefs on what the wikipedia community should be like. Among other things, I think day to day editors should have their edits and comments taken on the merits of their comments/edits, rather than what their edit count is, etc. For instance, while I certainly understand the valid opposing arguements, I think it'd be interesting to wipe out the ability for non-admins to see a user's edit history. I have indeed edited more articles than this one, on a wide range of subjects, although mainly trees, geology, and American cities. I will confess to following this article and several related ones (Pierce Bush, Ignite!) closely as I find them interesting and often the subject of occasional odd edit campaigns. I like to make sure I have a new DHCP IP every month or so, but one day I'll run out of new ones on the 67.101 subnet I suppose.--67.101.66.89 23:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

You forgot to mention your other side benefit... no accountability. Cowicide 23:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk: Neil Bush

This is just an online encyclopedia you edit for a hobby, eh? Chill. JChap2007 23:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Just tell the hunnybunnies to be cool and everything will be all right. ya dig? Cowicide 02:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neil Bush mediation

Here's a heads up that you will want to comment here. --67.101.67.107 13:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)