User talk:Covalent
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[edit] DYK
[edit] Air pollution
Nice work on air pollution related issues :-). Wikipedia still needs a lot of work in this regard. Please consider improving emission standards, which is in need of more attention. Jens Nielsen 09:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Comments on Noise mitigation
A few tips on linking:
- Wikipedia headers are generally kept devoid of links. It shouldn't be difficult to rework these sections in order to move the link within the first line.
- "See also" links are specifically articles that were not previously linked in the article.
Hoping to see more great articles from you. Circeus 16:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
- Please do not refer to my edits as vandalism. I find it offensive. All my edits are made in good faith. If you have a problem with them, please discuss on article talk or my talk. Thanks!--Light current 21:55, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wiki procedures
You seem to be very familiar with Wiki procedures onsidering you only joined up on 9 March 2006. I see you were using all the shortcut terms from your first day. These usually take a few months to learn. I wonder how this could be? Any answers?--Light current 22:05, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
- I should like to say I am a quick study, but i had been reading wikipedia and studying the editing process for over a year. I am flattered by your interest in my history lc. Covalent 23:13, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Ah .I see!--Light current 23:22, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DYK!
Thanks for a great article! ++Lar: t/c 21:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Your comment about Red bellied Lemur
has been replied to on my talk page, as is my wont, I like to keep conversations together. Please comment further there if necessary, and I will reply there. I won't notify you here again. ++Lar: t/c 14:17, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Shifting cultivation is incorrectly identified as bush fallowing
Note you edited that Shifting cultivation is incorrectly identified as bush fallowing or Slash and burn. Could you clarify your point, please? Specifically:
- Is shifting cultivation broader than slash and burn so use of slash and burn is a subset of the larger shifting cultivation discussion?
- Or is something fundamentally wrong with the term slash and burn. If so, what?
Thanks - Williamborg 03:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- as to your first question, first of all i am open to a better statement of that key sentence. i was merely doing my best to correct a bad sentence that existed. shifting cultivation, i believe, is a broader term than slash and burn. i think we need several different authors to piece this whole thing together, because i believe shifting cultivation properly embraces many centuries of somewhat differing practices (including conversion of temperate forest land into sustainable grazing land and in some cases proper crop rotation), whereas slash and burn generally refers to the tropics and subtropics in present day subsistent farming. in short i think slash and burn is a small subset (in time and location) of slash and burn.
- your second question seems easier. there is nothing at all wrong with the term "slash and burn". it is descriptive, specific and the very people that practice it use the term unabashedly. best regards Covalent 04:36, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Your comments make sense. I think slash and burn is also an accepted term for some practices in northern climes (Russia, Finland, Sweden & part of Norway use (the term Svedjebruk (no:Svedjebruk))). Now we need just someone to restructure these articles; unfortunately not an area I’m knowledgeable enough to take a shot at… Williamborg 04:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] shifting cultivation
i didnt create this article, but am trying to improve it in small ways. i wikified intro. will get back to other parts later in the summer. by the way with your knowledge, i hope you will assist with ethanol fuel, an important article that needs some help. best regards Covalent 12:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- I agree that ethanol fuel is an important topic. Thanks for pointing me to it! I'd be happy to see if I can help. Waitak 14:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to say that I think you're doing a good job of keeping a level head with the discussion of merging Slash and burn and Shifting cultivation. Illigitimi non carborundum and all that... :-) (not that anybody involved is an illigitim... um.. whatever the singular of illigitimi is...) Waitak 05:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Pictures
Spun this one off since it is a separate topic.
- Take good pictures when you visit Sweden. Any chance you’ve got photos of Norway to upload?
- Williamborg 04:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm interested in improving any of the Norway or Swedish geography articles (planning a trip there myself someday so this aids dreaming and route planning). Photos of older buildings (as it turns out, almost invariably churches) and of spectacular landscapes are desirable. Anything that is unusual and characteristic of an area also helps.
- The articles on Sogn og Fjordane and Møre og Romsdal include a number of the municipalities; the article on Ålesund and Herøy municipalities in Møre og Romsdal show examples with several rather good quality photos. But articles on municipalities like Aukra , Aure , Averøy , Eide , Frei , Fræna , Giske , Gjemnes , Haram , Hareid , Kristiansund , Midsund , Molde , Nesset , Norddal , Rindal , Sande , Sandøy , Skodje , Smøla , Stordal , Stranda , Sula , Sunndal , Surnadal , Sykkylven , Tingvoll , Ulstein , Vanylven , Vestnes , Volda , Ørskog , Ørsta , don't have any picutres at all. Similarly on Sogn og Fjordane. So if you have any electronic pictures your willing to share, they make a great contribution.
- Of course the same is true for areas in Sweden.
- Thanks - Williamborg 13:58, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Like your photo of Ålesund quite well indeed. Looking forward to your additions for Sweden after your trip there this summer. Takk - Williamborg 16:29, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Disagreeing without being disagreeable
I failed at that. I still disagree with you, but I need to apologise for being disagreeable while disagreeing. Guettarda 16:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- i failed too. ill try to make a fresh start and perhaps together we can improve this subject matter under discussion at slash and burn and shifting cultivationCovalent 18:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Thank you. And I agree, any cat person has got to be a good person ;) Guettarda 16:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Diatom
Hi there. Thanks for adding that bit about the use of diatoms in sedimentary records - that was a bit of an omission. I'm not quite sure your text is entirely correct however. It may depend on the analysis technique, but I thought that the inorganic (silicic acid) component of deposited diatoms was the more useful part (which isn't to say that the organic part's not useful). It's not something I'm au fait with (I'm more interested in their surface ecology), so please correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers, --Plumbago 08:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- i have amended the text to take into account your correct assertion that the inorganic material is the important part for biota records, cheers Covalent 12:30, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
--Cactus.man ✍ 11:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] And another DYK
Rockage, another good one... ++Lar: t/c 22:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DSSAM Model
I've noticed that you've added information about water quality and the "DSSAM Model" to several pages including Reno, Truckee River and Pyramid Lake. I can't really tell what's interesting or notable about it, other than that it was performed.
Could you add some information about the results, e.g. specific problems identified, solutions needed etc? Without that, I can't see what the point of adding that information to the articles is.
Thanks, Toiyabe 21:51, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- the article itself on DSSAM will appear on wikipedia within the next 24 to 72 hours. this is the definitive hydrological pollutant transport model for the Truckee River Basin and Lake Pyramid.Covalent 22:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Cool. I look forward to seeing it. Am I right in presuming that you have some involvement? Toiyabe 22:07, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] DYK
[edit] Cui-ui ref
I fail to see anything not working with the references. If you happen to refer to the fact the first ref of the intro has the number "2" insteadof "1", that is because there is another reference before it in the source: in the taxobox template, for the IUCN status. Circeus 23:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
--Cactus.man ✍ 08:13, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
--Cactus.man ✍ 12:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Hickmanspduo.jpeg deleted
This image was deleted because it was uploaded under a noncommercial and wikipedia-only license. Such images must be deleted on sight as of May 2005.Circeus 00:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
--Cactus.man ✍ 11:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Hickmans potentilla tony morosco.jpeg
Hi, I quite agree about the need for better quality science articles and it's great to see the work you have been doing on it. :-) I noticed the image Image:Hickmans potentilla tony morosco.jpeg which you uploaded has conflicting copyright information at the moment. The summary reads "photo by tony morosco who has copyright and has agreed to allow use on wikipedia" but the licensing tag reads "the copyright holder has irrevocably released all rights to it, allowing it to be freely reproduced, distributed, transmitted, used, modified, built upon, or otherwise exploited in any way by anyone for any purpose, commercial or non-commercial, with or without attribution of the author, as if in the public domain." Simply allowing use on Wikipedia doesn't extend to the latter license. There used to be an image copyright tag that would allow people to put up an image which is allowed for use on Wikipedia but now it has been decreed that images used on Wikipedia can not be "allowed for use on Wikipedia" but must either be copyrighted and used under fair use, or available under a free non-commercial license (so that rights have been granted to use and edit the image for a variety of purposes, including commercial ones). Would you be able to clarify the actual copyright status of the image? If the creator only wishes to license the image to Wikipedia, then it needs to be deleted. This seems a little bizarre, but it is a consequence of Wikipedia's goal of being a "free" Encyclopedia - other people should be able to reproduce its contents, and indeed edit them, without fear of tangling themselves up in copyright restrictions. Sincerely, TheGrappler 18:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Just checked above in your talk page: in case you were wondering, this would be precisely the same reason that your Image:Hickmanspduo.jpeg was deleted too. Any chance you could beg the copyright holders to release these under a free non-commercial license like the GFDL or even better under one of the Creative Commons licenses (these are better as it means the image could be printed in a book without the full text of the license being produced too)? TheGrappler 18:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
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- I apologize, when I said "free non-commercial license like the GFDL" what I meant was "free but not non-commercial license". Anything with only non-commercial rights must be deleted. Seems a bit harsh, but remember that Wikipedia is basically about building a copyright-restriction free encyclopedia and only allowing non-commercial use is very restrictive. As for "they want to keep track of where images are used" - for anything released on Wikipedia there's not an icecube's chance in Hell of doing this. Anything released on Wikipedia will end up on dozens of mirror sites, for instance answers.com. What you can do is release the image under GFDL or Creative Commons and then at least the photographer will be given an attribution. But a non-commercial use only license is unacceptable on Wikipedia, and anything released on Wikipedia will end up all over the web, copied by loads of different people, with no way to keep track of where it's used. These, I'm afraid, are the joys of a "free" encyclopedia. If you can't get the photographer to agree to a free license that also allows commercial use, then you'll have to ask for the images to be deleted unfortunately :-( TheGrappler 19:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Image attributions in articles
Howdy! Per your comment on my talk page, the relevant policy is located at Wikipedia:Image use policy (Rule of thumb No 2 and 3). It's generally believed that it is sufficient to fulfil the conditions of use (in this case attribution) on a page clearly and directly linked from the inclusion of the image. The main motivation for this policy was probably the use of GFDL images. If the license was followed to the letter, every article using an image would have to include the full text of the license with it. This is the primary reason that images on the Main Page link to the image description pages rather than the relevant article (which many, many people have requested on Talk:Main Page in the past. If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page. Happy editing! GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 22:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The potentilla
Hi - all of those sound like sensible suggestions. I think the main difficulty is that we don't, as far as I know, have a FA on a plant species yet on Wikipedia so we're breaking new ground to some extent. However, Kakapo and Albatross are both FAs - you could take a look at those two and see if they spark off any thoughts. I'll give this some more thought, and let you know if anything occurs to me. SP-KP 09:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
In fact, quite a few animals are listed at Wikipedia:Featured articles#Biology and medicine, but as I thought, no plants. SP-KP 09:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bay Mud
Bay Mud is called Boston Blue Clay and London Blue Clay in those areas. My understanding is that the properties are basically the same as SF Bay Mud, but there may be different approaches to dealing with it in those cities. Argyriou 00:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- do you have a citation for these terms? Covalent 02:19, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Del monte forest.jpg
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[edit] CZCS
I could try digging up some of the info you suggest adding, at some point, but just so you know it's not really my field. My connection to CZCS was really only with the data archiving folks. Thanks for the feedback, nonetheless. --Davepape 05:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
--BRIAN0918 04:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Good article
You should nominate Hickman's potentilla for Good article status. I'm sure it'd get approved. Rlevse 20:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- I went ahead and nominated it. Rlevse 10:25, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Sorry to see it failing FA. I don't think the issues are that big to be honest - the main one is clearly the image copyright status. I'd like to see this renominated for FA once that's sorted out as I think it would get through pretty easily. In the mean time, good luck with GA status. SP-KP 12:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Trip to Sweden
Trust your trip to Sweden went well. Looking forward to your new insights. Cheers Williamborg 07:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] dyk
--Blnguyen | rant-line 00:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sweden trip
Just returned from sweden and denmark and am writing a series of articles. one already created. hope you like it. much more to come, especially on Oland. cheers Covalent 04:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Excellent. Well done. Great picture too. Wish I'd been there! Thanks for flagging this! Williamborg (Bill) 04:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Black-winged Stilt
You appear to have had a major input to this stilt article, so I wondered if you could clarify. My book gives the southern breeding limit of Black-necked Stilt as southern Chile, S Argentina and the West Indies. Is there a split I don't know about, or is the range just wrong? If the latter, the "where to see bit becomes very parochial". I'll put this on the talk page for the article too. jimfbleak 06:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- sorry, my stupidity, I meant Black-necked. I've sorted it out now as far as I can, but it looks unbalanced still. jimfbleak 14:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
Highly interesting read. Almost forgot about updating DYK while reading this :P Thanks! --Srikeit (Talk | Email) 19:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Haraldskaer Woman
Since Wikitravel is not a Wikimedia project, I've answered you question over at Wikitravel on your user talk page. Cheers! -- Cjensen 05:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
[edit] Featured list candidate
I thought you'd like to know that List of United States federal legislation has been nominated to be a Featured List. It needs 4 votes by October 2, 2006.
As I have labored hard on the article, I would appreciate your looking it over. You can find a discussion here: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of United States federal legislation.
Thank you!
—Markles 23:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
- I have supported this list becoming a featured list Covalent 17:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Is there any reason why there is a Tamworth pig and Tamworth Pigs page?--Moonlight Mile 11:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
- No reason for separate articles. I will merge pigs into pig Covalent 15:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Blue Wildabeest et al.
Thanks for your reply. I didn't want to go and screw up a properly named page. --tjstrf Now on editor review! 21:44, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mandø (Island)
Greetings Covalent
It is great that you've begun writing about a one of my country's relatively unknown islands, thumbs up for that. The ecology is interesting, and many Danes probably can't even locate it on a map. Unfortunately, Mandø already has an article (see: Mandø), and I believe that the shorter name is better than Mandø Island since the Danish ending "-ø" in itself means "island". Using the short form would also make this article correspond more closely to other similar material. Could I possibly persuade you to integrate the two articles? Btw, the island's name can traditionally be spelled with or without the "D". I haven't got a dictionary at handbut the Danish Wikipedia sticks very closely to the standard dictonary and it uses the spelling "Mandø" and so does the Great Danish Encyclopedia. The Danish Wikipedia has a few additional images you might find interesing, see: da:Mandø. I might be able to find a little history about the island if you are interested. Regards and happy editing. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 19:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your interest in the new article Mandø Island. Yes i think the two articles should be integrated and i shall be glad to carry that out. ( I hadnt noticed the other article til you mentioned it to me. I would welcome some history information you might have. I am working on an ecology section and uploading some images of Mandø Island. Regarding the name, i prefer Mandø Island, mainly because i think it is a more descriptive title for the English Wikipedia. by the way i am planning a series of articles on Denmark's history and geography. Covalent 21:47, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Such a series sounds very interesting. May I ask which topics you plan to include? I just read the article again and I've removed the entry about the "bus" to Rømø further south. Fanø to the north is linked to Esbjerg on the mainland by a ferry and Mandø uses the so-called Mandøbus. However the more populous Rømø to the south is linked to the mainland by a causeway with an asphalt road. Since use of this road is free of charge and the waters between Rømø and Manø are rather deep, I strongly doubt the existance of a second "bus". Furthermore, the three islands are very often referred to in connection with the three different means of transport. I've tried searching a bit on the Danish part of the web and I can't find any reference to a "colleague" to the Mandø bus. The only colleague people mention is Sandormen in Skagen connecting Skagen with the nothermost point in Jutland where the North Sea / Skagerrak meets the Baltic Sea and Kattegat. I visited Rømø and the West Coast some years ago, and I remember the guide books mentioning the uniqueness of the Mandø Bus. However the public bus service Sydbus operates a bus line over the causeway[1], so I think this must be the reason for this misunderstanding. The bus service to Rømø is hardly used at all.
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- The naming of the article might seem a trivial point, but the double "island" reference keeps nagging me. I checked Cat:Islands of Denmark and no other entries use "Island" as part of the article name. The only three oddly named entries are Fur, Anholt and Mors which is quite understandible since these names all have multiple meanings. The same standard seems to be followed for the material on Sweden, Norway, Germany and the Netherlands. The articles about Danish towns are very similarly named so you would do me a great favour by letting this article follow the same convention as well. Google is very far from perfect, but it gives a very low number of entries for "Mandø Island" but considerably more for plain "Mandø". In Danish "Ø" simply means "island" so both for this reason and due to the practice used elsewhere, you would make my day by letting this article be named consistently with the other material. It would also decrease the risk of getting a new duplicate article.
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- While digging for more information about the island, I found a little information on the meaning of the name. It seems that the origin of is word is somewhat uncertain but it is known from the 13th century. Nudansk Ordbog (The New Danish Dictionary, Politiken, 1992) interprets the name as derived from ancient Danish: Mann which would normally mean a "man". In this particular context the name is interpreted as having a rather rare meaning referring to a burial site for shipwrecked people. Some of the waters of the West Coast are tricky to this day so it seems quite possible that ships were lost here. A few islands in Sweden have names derived from a similar meaning. Btw, have you considered this article for DYK? Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 23:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- i am willing to change the name to your choice, but only if we can preserve the edit history of the longer article, which is substantive and helps me (and others) track the succession of stages. i will try to do this. yes it would make a good DYK now that it has images and ecology section. as far as other topics, i am writing on a number of historical manors, churches etc. Covalent 23:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- While digging for more information about the island, I found a little information on the meaning of the name. It seems that the origin of is word is somewhat uncertain but it is known from the 13th century. Nudansk Ordbog (The New Danish Dictionary, Politiken, 1992) interprets the name as derived from ancient Danish: Mann which would normally mean a "man". In this particular context the name is interpreted as having a rather rare meaning referring to a burial site for shipwrecked people. Some of the waters of the West Coast are tricky to this day so it seems quite possible that ships were lost here. A few islands in Sweden have names derived from a similar meaning. Btw, have you considered this article for DYK? Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 23:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
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- An administrator should be able to fix the issue with the article history. Btw, since you're thinking in terms of DYK, I have no problem if you want this process to be completed first. I'll try to dig up a bit of historical background tomorrow. Regards. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 00:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
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- i have now completed the merge and the new article sits at Mandø Island. i am now trying to move the article and its edit history to Mandø, but i am having technical difficulty doing so and the warning notice says an admin must assist with this move. i have no idea how to get admin attention. if you are able to facilitate i would be grateful. the warning says "do not cut and paste to move", which i respect since edit history would be lost.Covalent 00:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
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- We are trying to move the article Mandø Island to Mandø along with the edit history. need admin help to make the move, since destination page was an article originally before the merge. this move is uncontested. i shall take care of double redirects after admin move the article. thank you. Covalent 00:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Regarding the {helpme}... I have merged the page histories. Next time you can use ask at Wikipedia:Requested moves, specifically for this action Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. By the way, nice work on the article :-) --Commander Keane 00:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I have completed the move, thanks for your understanding. I've fixed the redirects. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 09:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Did You Know?
--GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 18:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Congratulations with the DYK! May there be many more. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 22:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
--Allen3 talk 16:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Thankyou for your many contributions. You're keeping the natural sciences well covered on DYK.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 23:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Red-bellied Lemur
No problem. Happy to oblige. In fact, you could have simply asked me or any other admin personally to do it, instead of posting the history in the open. Let me know if there's anything else I can assist you with. Cheers! - UtherSRG (talk) 01:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fairfield
Well, to be honest, when I looked at the article at first, I was thinking about failing it, because although it was referenced, I didn't consider it well referenced. But since you seemed to be handling the review yourself, I didn't think it would be very polite to just interrupt you, even though its been on hold over the limit of time :/. The thing is, "well-referenced" as the criteria calls for is an ambiguous judgement, something I consider to be a good thing in my opinion, so i'm not very eager to force my standards on other articles when somebody else is already working with it :). Homestarmy 02:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)