Template talk:Countries and territories of the Middle East
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[edit] Definition of Middle East
Hm. I don't think this is a good Mediawiki page - "Middle East" is an extremely ambiguous term. WhisperToMe 04:52, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I don't think this template is a good idea. "Middle East" is a very loose definition. WhisperToMe 19:44, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Dependent territories / special territories
There's currently a discussion at template talk:East Asia over whether the official name of territory, namely special administrative region, and which sovereign State the territories listed belong to, have to be specified in the {{East Asia}} template. Please feel free to join the discussion and express your opinion. — Instantnood 11:46, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Iraqi Kurdistan
We do not include every "autonomous region" on templates. As per Special administrative region (People's Republic of China) Hong Kong has a "High degree of autonomy" for the following 50 years. Hong Kong gave away soverinty which will go away in roughly 50 years (and will be removed from the template).
All autonomous regions and etc in various templates (such as Template:Europe) have a distinctive level of autonomy from the counties they depend on if they depend on them at all. Some are simply members with the condition of being able to be exploited (Svalbard).
Iraqi Kurdistan is just another member of the 3 state Iraqi federal structure. United States has 50 of those, we do not list all. Hence why Iraqi Kurdistan does not need to be in this template as it has no specialty.
--Cat out 03:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Iraqi Kurdistan also has a high degree of autonomy, including self-governance (Kurdistan Regional Government [1]), local Legislation (Kurdistan Parliament) and local constitution. Hong Kong was never sovereign, it was part of the British Empire and then China. There is no 3 state structure in Iraq right now. People just talk about it, and there is some provisions in the Iraqi constitution providing such rights, but as of now there is no other autonomous region in Iraq, i.e., there is only one autonomous region in Iraq which is Iraqi Kurdistan, the rest of Iraq is governed by the central government in Baghdad.Heja Helweda 23:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hong Kong was a Crown colony much like canada, australia etc. It was given the option of sovernty and it chose being a part of china... There is an entier article on the issue Transfer of the sovereignty of Hong Kong. According to the article Hong Kong "retains its own legal system, currency, customs policy, cultural delegation, international sport teams, and immigration laws", can same be said about the iraqi kurdistan?
- OK so people talk about it hence it aint even official... The Kurdish parliment is nothing any more special than your average U.S. states State governments. We do not list random autonomous regions unless there is a good reason. So far you haven't cited a good reason.
- --Cat out 02:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- Iraqi Kurdistan situation is official, it is mentioned separately and specifically in the Iraq's constitution. As for the special circumstances, according to the Iraqi constitution, central (federal) government cannot send troops to Iraqi Kurdistan without prior permission from Kurdistan's parliament. This makes it different than the case of US states. Take a look here ...any future movement of Iraq's army into Kurdistan is conditioned on the consent of Kurdistan's president and parliament.[2] and here ...Kurdistan law prohibits the Iraqi Army from coming into Kurdistan without permission from the Kurdistan parliament[3].Heja Helweda 03:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Palestinian territories also has a "High degree of autonomy". Either we include all autonomies or none... Amoruso 21:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- I so far have removed numerous autonomous regions. So long as a region does not declare itself to be soverign (defacto or not) I remove them. So yes we should have none. --Cat out 21:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Turkey really in Mideast?
It's disputed if Turkey is in middle east, Turkey's Asian lands also called as, "Minor Asia"
[edit] Afghanistan
Afghanistan is a region at the crossroads of Central Asia, Middle East, and South Asia. Also, linguastically, over half of the population speaks Farsi (which is a Middle Eastern language). And culturally (besides religion) they have many similiarties. Also, phenotypically, probably half of them are indistinguishable. And it is a part of the Iranian Plateau, which in this article is described as part of the Middle East. But the main point is the language and culture. With these factors in mind, can we consider Afghanistan at least PARTLY Middle East?? (personally, I consider it to be a part of all 3 of Central Asia, South Asia, and Middle East)
and please see the article Tajiks to learn about the ethnic group of Afghanistan that would be considered Middle Eastern.
[edit] Palestinian territories
I've reinstated the Palestinian Territories as they were in this template for a long time. Their situation is quite dissimilar from Iraqi Kurdistan, which is internationally recognised as part of a sovereign state and claimed by that state as its territory. The Palestinian Territories are not internationally recognised as part of any sovereign state and with the exception of East Jerusalem are not claimed by any sovereign state. Any arguments regarding the inclusion of Iraqi Kurdistan are not necessarily applicable to the OPT. Palmiro | Talk 23:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge suggestion
- It has been suggested that this page ... be merged with Southwest Asia
Seems a good idea to me, given the large overlap in content... Would {{Countries in the Middle East and/or Southwest Asia}} suffice as the merged template's name...? Regards, David Kernow (talk) 07:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
