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Should this article be merged with counterfeiting (another stub)? -- Notheruser 04:50 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)
- Indeed it should. I didn't see that article. If you search for "counterfeit", the article "counterfeiting" does not come up as a title match - that is strange. --snoyes 04:55 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Counterfeit Food and Medicine
It was brought to my attention[1] that people are counterfeiting eggs in China, yesterday. [2] These man-made eggs can lead to dementia. Also, the second article mentions about counterfeit chicken eggs that can lead to blindness. This is alarming and it should definitely be written here that there are counterfeit foods. Before hearing about the eggs, I'd heard about counterfeit medicine, also counterfeit baby formula (I believe I heard about these on the BBC). Seriously, let's get on the ball with non-currency counterfeiting. 24.123.198.38 18:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Article only deals with Counterfeit Currency
I think that this article is too focused on Currency. With an estimated market value of $600 Billion Dollars (http://www.havocscope.com/Counterfeit/counterfeit.htm), its clear that the counterfeit goods market is huge. I was simply wondering why other products are not included in this article. I placed a comment on the Couterfeit US Dollars page, and it seems that there really is no difference between the two pages. This is my first time I'm contributing to Wikipedia, so I didn't want to just add things into the article without checking with you guys first.
I think that we could add a lot more products into the article, or at the very least, add some more information that deals with issues other then currency. Like Movie Piracy, Music piracy, etc...
What do you guys think? Joe Lee.
- No different to the Counterfeit US Dollars page? I don't think that that page mentions the Portuguese Banknote Crisis, the Hungarian counterfeiting operation, Operation Bernhard, the Icelandic and Irish postage stamp counterfeits, the Chinese banknote design, etc. That said, I'd certainly have no objection to the article being expanded to cover the counterfeiting of goods. -- Arwel (talk) 02:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't mean to say that there was no difference. I guess what I was trying to say is that it seems like the whole counterfeit section only deals with currency, with the exception of the counterfeit drugs article. I'll try and write something up, and then I'll look forward to your guys help in editing. Thanks. Joe
[edit] How can you tell??
Did I get this correct??
Look at the back of the bill. You can tell whether it is a counterfeit by whether there are any hard-to-see curves that look like string. If none are present, this means it is a counterfeit. Also, has anyone gone to the Discuss this page at the $50 bill article??
Here is some text I took off the article page:
- (rough notes) two classes of counterfeiting - one to deceive as to the content (gold coins, pharmaceuticals) and one to deceive as to the source (paper currency, software)
--Yath 08:42, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
The quotation "the involuntary privatisation of banknote printing" is a lovely one. But could we have a citation for it? A Google search on those terms reveals nothing new.
- Hmm, tricky, it happened before every newspaper got online, so I'm not surprised Google couldn't find it (other than 48 mirrors of Wikipedia!). You'd have to go through Irish newspapers of the 1980s, I suppose, though I clearly remember the quotation being reported at the time. It was a pity, because the series B £20 was a particularly nice design in my opinion -- W.B. Yeats on the front and a nice Irish wolfhound on the back, in a nice shade of blue. It was also the highest denomination banknote one could legally take out of the country... -- Arwel 13:05, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Another fine theme is quotations from the counterfeit banknotes. It may be have been another urban legend, as I have not seen any such personally, but in 1980s there was a widespread story about Soviet roubles with changed text. At that time, roubles were heavily covered in dense script (using languages of all 15 "member states" of USSR), so it was not hard to miss that in the place where it should have been written "counterfeit is a crime legally punished by (bla-bla-bla)" the text said actually "ours are not worse than yours" (наши не хуже ваших). Another version (allegedly) said "read it through and pass it to your comrade" (прочитай и передай товарищу), a common note on the wartime leaflets. --Oop 13:21, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Counterfeit American goods
This section doesn't seem very NPOV. It could do with being generalised to cover western goods rather than purely american as well. I'll try to have a look at this. --Sully 12:34, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Original source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/26/60minutes/main595875.shtml Removed the section. Ae7flux 17:29, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
- I just added some information on the counterfeit issue for other countries. It wasn't much, but hopefully its a start. Joelee (talk • contribs)
[edit] Not just USA notes
It would be usefull if there was not just information on US bank notes and their anti-counterfeiting methods. Such as the Australian and Brazilian plastic notes. Australian minting methods are known to use some of the most sofisticated anti-conterfeit methods and the Australian mint prints money for many countries in the Asia Pacific region. I believe that the Netherlands have recently commisioned the Australian mint to produce their currency.
[edit] Who is the Author?
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- See Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia, and don't delete large sections of articles like exteral links and links to articles in other language versions of Wikipedia - that's considered vandalism which can get you banned from editing. -- Arwel (talk) 03:30, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] CDs and DVDs
Why aren't there sections on counterfeit CDs and DVDs? I think it would be a worthwhile thing to put in.Tom 22:16, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] magnetic strip
US currency is supposed to have magnetic strips to prevent counterfeiting, but the article does not mention this. DyslexicEditor 04:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Clipping
Traditionally, anti-counterfeiting measures involved including fine detail with raised intaglio printing on bills which would allow non-experts to easily spot forgeries. On coins, milled or reeded (marked with parallel grooves) edges are used to show that none of the valuable metal has been scraped off. This detects the shaving or clipping (paring off) of the rim of the coin. However, it does not detect sweating, or shaking coins in a bag and collecting the resulting dust. Since this technique removes a smaller amount, it is primarily used on the most valuable coins, such as gold.
The milled edges on coins are to prevent the removal of the coin's material (since it had an intrinsic value) - not as a method of protecting against counterfeiting. But I am loathe to remove this part of the article since it is interesting 06:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Counterfeiting and central banking?
Just wondering if there's a relationship between illegal counterfeiting and money printing done by central banks. Since it's impossible to print a gold coin, I'm led to believe that central banks are nothing but legalized counterfeiters who pretend to be acting in our 'best interest' in order to gain complete power over our money.
I just saw your post on reeded coins. Was it not the roman gov that first debased their currency, and that is the reason we use reeded coins? I think it's pretty important to show that governments can be just as guilty of counterfeiting as the mafia.
- Did you read the article? The banks are not counterfeiting because they are not conducting forgery. (Unless the US Reserve starts to produce Euros or something of course). Monopoly money for example, is not counterfeit either... Note that if the mafia wanted to produce their own currency, they could do so. They would not be counterfeiting. (P.S. The issue of the fiat currency and the gold standard are completely seperare issues unrelated to counterfeiting) Nil Einne 20:58, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Counterfeit Soft Drinks?
I heard a news report about people in Russia dropping dead from drinking counterfeit alcohol. That gets me worrying about the Coca-Cola I buy at my local shops which has Cyrillic labelling. I live in the UK and so expect this to be written in English. You can assume I don't trust local shop owners to provide me with the genuine article, especially if the dodgey stuff is cheaper.
[edit] Counterfeit vs bootleg
This article doesn't appear to explain very well the usage of the two terms and the variety of things that is called counterfeiting. Pirated DVDs, CDs etc are sometimes call counterfeit even when the purchaser is usually well aware that they are not original copies and they don't even look like they are. Counterfeiting does happen, especially of stuff like MS software hence the fancy CDs and stuff although even in these cases, it may not always be intended to fool the purchaser but instead those responsible for investigation copyright violation. Also, in Asian countries in particular, while true counterfeit goods (i.e. with the intention to deceive the purchase) can be a problem in some instances, often goods (such as clothes, watches etc) are sold with the purchaser fully aware that they are similarly not 'legitimate' versions. Yet rarely is this distinction made. Nil Einne 21:17, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Chip remarking
Wiki needs a chip remarking article and this should be linked to from here. Nil Einne 21:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)You should say that counterfeiting money is harder to make than coins.
[edit] Russia & Counterfeit
Please source this from the article.
In Russia, authorities estimate that 90% of products sold to people are counterfeit
