Talk:Cornet

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I don't think we need that thing about public domain below the image. That should be saved for the image's page. Samuel 18:19, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I've done some work on this page but I think it needs more sorting out.

The bit about where it's used shouldn't be right at the top. It was a bit US-centric (concert bands) but in trying to add more I've made it top heavy. And we haven't yet talked about the cornet->tpt shift in jazz (though I seem to recall Louis Armstrong does).

I took out the apparently sexist "he" and "his" bits though I don't know if this is maybe policy and I don't want to start a huge flame war about "they" as a singular! I changed some of the wording (BUTTONS??? - never never never say this!) and took out some of the references to changing the pitch by shortening the instrument - to do this you need a hacksaw: really, it operates by lengthening it. And sure, when you let a valve up it gets shorter again, but it had to get longer in the first place and I found the previous way of expressing this very confusing. I hope this has not annoyed or upset the other authors.

It also needs a bit more on the origins, repertoire, cornets in bands and orchs, Sax, Distin et al, and there is not yet a brass band article, which surprises me.

Finally (for now) I think we really need a general good article on brass instruments and how they work, and valves and slides, and then do less in the individual articles and more referring on to that. Or does it already exist??

Nevilley 16:23 Dec 7, 2002 (UTC)

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[edit] Closely related to the trumpet? Hmmm ...

The cornet is a brass instrument closely related to the trumpet.

Well you could argue that one for a year or two really, couldn't you? I mean, it's not a bad start for the article in a way because it tells the naive reader roughly what they are looking at in the first place; but for the reader wanting a bit more depth it's a bit misleading - I was always taught that it's NOT really all that closely related - it's a bit of an accident of birth that you have trumpetlike instruments coming down one evolutionary line and hornlike ones down another, and for all sorts of musical and commercial reasons you end up with these two things in Bb, valves, same fingerings etc - but really they aren't close relatives like, say, the trumpet and trombone, or flugelhorn and tenor horn (aka alto horn) but rather more distant cousins. I can't think of a wording I prefer right now, which is one reason I haven't yet Been Bold In Editing or whatever the mantra is. But I would be interested to know what others think. Nevilley 16:29, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I tend to agree with you, but as you say, it's tricky, because the opening sentence as it stands gives a good rough and ready impression of what we're talking about. Perhaps saying it "resembles" the trumpet rather than saying it is "related to" it would be better. Maybe we could also mention the conical bore in the first sentence, since that's the main difference between the two (isn't it?). That should be useful, clear and accurate. I think... --Camembert

Interestingly, the trumpet is related to the baritone and tenor sax evolving from saxhorns. --Sketchee 06:13, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

What? No, it isn't. 82.45.248.177 23:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split?

Anyone know why there is a split tag at the top of this page? Logank 14:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Because of the Other meanings section ! Lvr 11:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)