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Contents 1 Picture 2 Merge 3 Spidy 4 Article Title 5 New picture? 6 Origin of the Corna 7 Gang Symbol? 8 Heavy Metal Sign

[edit] Picture

I think the picture "Berlusconi corna.jpg" is a fake. Look at the differently colored background where the index and middle finger should be. I can't find the original photo anywhere, though, so need to confirm. --Alban 09:28, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

No, it is true. Berlusconi himself explained that he was joking with a group of boy-scouts. GhePeU 17:33, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

About the merger with Hook 'em Horns: I am against, since the gesture is similar, but the meaning different and totally unrelated. Even the Metal/Rock/Satanist/whatever meaning derives, as stated in the article, from Italian folklore. I think a link is enough.

I agree, it's a completely different meaning.--JW1805 18:26, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

But that's what a disambiguation page is for, right? Except, then, I guess what is the 'official' world-wide name? —Fitch 19:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't see a reason NOT to merge these articles. Even within this article there are different meanings attributed to the sign (partially overlapping), so I don't see why one specific meaning should have it's own article. And speaking of an official world wide name: why would there be one? Seems like everyone calls it something else, but it's still the same sign. RagingR2 14:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spidy

doesn't spider-man use this gesture? anon 07:36, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

That's reversed, pointing to the ground. And I think he stretches the thumb too. Anyway, it might be mentioned. --Orzetto 10:50, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I believe Spider-man's gesture is due to his having the middle and ring fingers pushed into his palm to unleash his web which is contained in a device in his wrist.68.110.179.53 08:04, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Title

I am not convinced by the move from Mano Cornuto. Google hits for that seem to reliably point to information on the gesture According to Bablefish, "mano cornuto" means "cuckold hand", which is consistant with usage, "mano cornuta" means "horned hand", and "corno", not "corna" means horn, and "corni" means horns. I don't know Italian, but my sese from Google is that "mano cornuto" is most associated with this gesture. —BenFrantzDale 03:22, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, "Mano cornuto" is indeed a common misspelling in English and German. However, "Mano" is definitely a feminine word (from Latin's fourth declension, manus, -us), and therefore its adjectives have to be of the correct gender (cornuta is feminine, cornuto is masculine). Babelfish' translation is literally correct, but does not make any sense in Italian. The origin of the "mano cornuto" misspelling are probably a very interesting issue, I would suspect that it first arised in English-speaking countries where spelling is more irregular, and an "a" could get mistaken for an "o". For the record I do speak Italian. --Orzetto 17:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm Italian, and I've always called this gesture "corna". While "mano cornuta" is syntactically correct, no one I know calls it that way. "Mano cornuto" is clearly wrong. Mushroom 05:09, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New picture?

I just removed the clay sculpture picture since it didn't provide anything new. While Jeremykemp did a great job making a bunch of hand gesture pictures, I would like to see a new leading image. The current one looks like it was taken by the same person doing the gesture and is the back of the hand. An ideal picture would be fairly close up of a famous metal artist in a performance. A croud at a concert showing the horns (correctly) could also be a good; either of these would show its cultural significance. Alternately, an old drawing of the gesture would suggest its long history. —BenFrantzDale 16:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of the Corna

The claim that Gene Simmons (or anyone else) "invented" the symbol in 1977 is simply inane. The 11th Series of the "Wacky Packages" issued by Topps Chewing Gum company in 1974 clearly shows the gesture. It was sufficiently well-known at that time that it could be used for a humorous purpose. The Wacky Package in question is the "Cult 45" package from the 11th Series. Here's a link to an excellent image of the sticker: http://www.wackypackages.org/stickers/11th_series/cult45_small_smaller_images.html

Larks

Hey, maybe I'm old or out of it or both, but where I come from, when I was a kid (in the 50s) the gesture was used in response to a statement whose veracity one wished to challenge - in other words, it simply means "bullshit."

Gene Simmons is such a liar saying that he "invented" the corna in 1977. It's been around for a lot longer than that. And here's proof. Take note of John Lennon's hand.

[edit] Gang Symbol?

Isn't this the same gesture used by members of the Salvadoran gang Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13)? Akira 18:59, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heavy Metal Sign

It is stated that Gene Simmons may have invented the sign for the album "Love Guns" in 1977. However, in the Frank Zappa concert of the same year, featured in the film Baby Snakes, several people can clearly be seen making the sign. Perhaps someone with more information can do someting?