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Contents 1 Ideas 2 Archive 3 Tasks 4 MfD 5 The Future?

[edit] Ideas

Instead of what we have not done, let's focus on what we can do right now. I wanted to spread kindess and civility in Wikipedia without interfering with Wikipedia's policies. Here are some ideas that I came up with.

Wikitokens: For kind actions that are not "big" enough to get an barnstar. Like Wikismiles except for specific things. i.e.

 # Token of Hope
 # Token of Kindness
 # Token of Civility

Wikicards: Put these cards on the talk page to cheer someone up. i.e.

  # to cheer someone up
  # to thank a user who recently left Wikipedia
  # to send well wishes to a sick Wikipedian

WikiGrams: Say one thing positive about a Wikipedian and place it on his/her/hir page.

Let me know what you think about these ideas. I was going to do them myself, but I realized that it would be much more successful if more people are involved. Take care. (^'-')^ Covington 15:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Are Wikicards/WikiGrams for CCD, they sound Esperanzial? Computerjoe's talk 16:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Let's keep it with us. I want every Wikipedian, regardless of edit count, to be able to participate in this. WikiGrams and WikiCards do promote civility, as once the positive-ness is lost, then civility is hard to come by. Let's take steps to prevent incivility by fostering a positive attitude. (^'-')^ Covington 16:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archive

I thought I would archive the page, it was getting a bit long - • The Giant Puffin • 19:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tasks

Hi, guys, I've just joined concordia and interested in furthering the concordia agenda. But I was cut short because I can't find further guides from the task section of the page. Its has no links to what it points out to do. So.... Any pointer would be appreciated. ;) Thanks ''F3-R4'' 04:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MfD

Well, I was going to instigate a discussion regarding whether we shoudld elete, tag, or revive, but Computerjoe seems to have got there first. Would it be a good idea to discuss this, or delete the accoutrements such as userboxes etc. to discourage new users? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I suggest keeping them, like Concordia itself, for historical reasons. You never know, this may be revived some day, and I want it to have all it needs when it happens - • The Giant Puffin • 19:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Future?

A comment on Concordia's MfD has revived a question in my mind I had when this organisation started to wilt. Do we have a future? Well, I still dont know. Do we? Its looking more bleak every day and I dont see us reviving any time soon. Esperanza are far bigger and were seen as safer, and yet they were recently up for MfD and are now, as a result of it, discussing its future and making drastic changes. What do we do? Do we revive ourselves with yet another revamp? Do we leave this as historical for some hopeful in the future to revive and bring back as much of the old as possible all the while flooding in some new ideas and concepts? Or do we simply let this organisation fade away into the minds of those who were members (council or not) or involved in some other way? Do we let it gradually become something only a select few remember doing anything? I just dont know at the moment. I havent seen most of the old council around Wikipedia recently. Maybe thats because I am doing less, or maybe its because they are doing less. There are a lot of unknowns at the moment - • The Giant Puffin • 19:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I suggest complete inactivity. Don't let this organisation turn into a group of vigilantes, like it has been perceived in the past. Computerjoe's talk 20:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't suggest inactivity. If some editors want to revive it, let them. I will be helping them. --ElectricEye (talk) 04:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

If people want to revive Concordia, they ought to have some veyr good ideas and enough people to support them. Concordia crashed and burned because it didn't have a big enough market share and not enough innovation. Additionally, as I said on the MfD, Concordia never seems to have got over the deletion of the Civility noticeboard. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

It might be worth remembering that there was a discussion here about merging Concordia and a few other similar programmes (Esperanza, Kindness Campaign etc). While I'm not saying that this is the direction to take, it might be worth keeping in mind for later perhaps. Thε Halo ^Θ 12:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your POV Dev920, but is 171 members not enough people? I think Concordia "passed-out" when it's parent's decided to let it die instead of defending the purpose of Concordia. --ElectricEye (talk) 03:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

As you know, I've been quite active in the Esperanza overhaul. Which means I've been checking a lot of userpages and it seems to me that Esperanzans have been adding themselves to both Concordia and the Kindness Campaign as a way of "completing the set", if you know what I mean. I would estimate from the archives that there was 15 members at the most who were active. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 08:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree that some people do join some of these organisation just to look like they are bothered about this sort of thing. But there are/were over 170 members, some of which must have joined for a good reason - • The Giant Puffin • 11:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I am a member of all three of these organisations and my personal reason for joining them was to set a personal goal and make a public statement about trying to be kind (Kindness Campaign), civil (Concordia), and supportive (Esperanza). I don't normally rub it it people's faces, though now I do understand that some people are offended by the green letters present in many Esperanzans' signatures. I never had a good grasp of how members of Concordia aimed to encourage civility, other than by being civil in their own actions and reminding others when their civility is lacking. I don't know how many people decided to join these three groups out of a similar belief in certain ideals. --Kyoko 13:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

We had certain members who thought CJ was a vigilante organisation, which gave more established Wikipedians the wrong idea about us. Community Jusitce/Concordia goal was to see the 5 pillars of the Wikipedia being followed, specifically the civility one. Computerjoe's talk 20:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

We should develop Concordia's philisophy to prevent a few from ruining it for everyone, and more established Wikipedians should know better than using the actions of a couple as an excuse to stop Concordia. --ElectricEye (talk) 01:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind maintaining Concordia, since the User who started it left. It seems to be a nice organization, and shouldn't have been left to die. Just my two-bits. Peace. Out. Bushcarrot Talk to me! 03:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)