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Contents 1 VfDs and VfUs 2 Portal 3 What Makes a Romance Conlang? 4 Modern Hebrew 5 Prtm 6 Ygyde as maximizing conciseness? 7 Hahn aren sathyrrah ? What? 8 Petaylish

[edit] VfDs and VfUs

• The following AFDs are currently open: Siberian language (2nd time).
• The following AFDs were recently concluded resulting in delete: Kaytrin, Esata (2nd time).
• The following AFDs were recently concluded resulting in merge and redirect: D'Armond Speers.
• The following AFDs were recently concluded resulting in keep: High Icelandic, Wenedyk (2nd time)
• The following AFDs were recently concluded resulting in no consensus: Talossan (2nd time)

--IJzeren Jan 08:48, 8 August 2005 (UTC) (upd. 05:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Portal

For those who haven't noticed it yet: we have a very nice new Portal:Constructed languages! ----IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 10:31, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What Makes a Romance Conlang?

If a conlang is inspired form Classical Latin(i.e. not Vulgar Latin), can it be called a "Romance" conlang? Frosty 22:31, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Theoretically not, of course. However, there are two reasons why we usually don't make the distinction. First of all, it is not very relevant in our context. And more importantly perhaps, it's not really clear to make a distinction between CL and VL anyway. Look at a language like Sardinian: it shares many features with CL that other Romance languages don't, but it still counts as "Romance".

There is also a practical issue: everybody with a minimum amount of interest in these matters has one or more Latin dictionaries at home, and these always refer to CL only. Vulgar Latin, on the other hand, is quite poorly documented. Even those who do their very best creating a language based on VL are likely to end up with a few classicisms as well. —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 17:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Modern Hebrew

The article assumes Modern hebrew is a Constructed language, while it's more like a Creole language. Anyways, regarding modern-hebrew as constructed need citation. Oyd11 16:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prtm

This page seems to be written entirely in the conlang, with no explanatory text in any natural language as far as I can tell, or links to such. Can anyone suggest why it might be notable enough to list in the short list of links in this article rather than in one of the "list of constructed/artistic/fictional/etc languages" articles? --Jim Henry 13:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the whole section Examples of Artificial Languages is redundant. I am going to remove it. — Tobias Bergemann 13:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ygyde as maximizing conciseness?

What evidence is there that Ygyde maximizes conciseness or even was intended by its creator to do so? My understanding is that its design might arguably make it easier to learn than languages with a larger root vocabulary to memorize, and its lack of consonant clusters might make it easier to pronounce than many other conlangs, but that this comes at the expense of almost all content words being longish compounds. Further, there seems to be no extended text in the language, only a few sample sentences, so we can't see any direct evidence of how concise it is when writing at length. --Jim Henry 15:50, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hahn aren sathyrrah ? What?

The "Wikis on or about constructed languages" header lists this link, genuinely pointless site. Anyone know what it's about or is it better that we delete it? Echternacht 00:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree it should probably be deleted until/unless we know more about it. If it's not auto-generated nonsense text, it's a fairly impressive corpus for a conlang (most conlang creators don't write this much in their conlang, or at least don't put this much text on the web) -- but the publicity seems pointless when there is no comment or explanation in any other language.

For another curiosity of the same kind, see:

http://prtm.50megs.com/index.html

which, based on word frequencies and other patterns, seems to be in the same conlang as User:Maintenance's user pages. --Jim Henry 01:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Aha -- I just checked User:Maintenance's pages again, to see if he/she had replied to my question about their conlang. They hadn't, but the main user page has recently been edited to add a link to the "Hahn aren sathyrrah" page! --Jim Henry 02:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

While impressive that such a large corpus has been generated, there's little information regarding whatever this person is trying to express. It's an anomalous dot that lacks sense. The link'll be removed until we can get more information.

Weird that the user refuses to answer to the inquiries, though. You'd think a conlanger like this'd be more than excited to talk about their language, rather than just in. Echternacht 03:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it's his private language, and he wants to put in online in case is hard-drive fries again and he doesn't want to bother with free web-hosts. 222.158.163.111 10:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Petaylish

The external link to "Petaylish" takes you to a message board without a single post. Delete?67.170.176.203 06:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Quite so. Thank you for pointing it out. In fact, I even doubt if a link to a forum of an individual language would be needed in the article about conlangs in general. I removed it. —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 06:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)