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  • Restructure according to the guidelines proposed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Science, ie. :
    • expand the introduction for the general public
    • explain the applications in light of everyday life: where one can find it, and in what shapes; discuss the economics (speed vs capacity vs features); discuss the rate of technical improvements
    • theory: explain that computer = processor + storage, highlighting its fundamental importance

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[edit] Main memory vs. Secondary Storage (2004 comment)

The following section is best understood from a historical POV where usage of the terms evolved. Economically, speed is an asset when the CPU is operating on the data, whereas size is an asset when reading or saving the data streaming to or from the CPU.

Main memory vs. Secondary Storage

In traditional parlance, main memory contains data that are actively being used (for example, the programs currently being run and the data they are operating on). "Main memory" is typically high-speed, relatively small, is often (but not always) volatile.

Secondary storage, also known as peripheral storage, is where the computer stores information that is not necessarily in current use. It is typically slower and higher-capacity than main memory. Peripheral storage is almost always non-volatile.

I propose this substituted text.Ancheta Wis 05:36, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Storage vs memory

I think something like this would be more correct. Normally memory is used to refer to RAM, or virtual memory is used to refer to all addressable storage space on architectures and operating systems that support virtual memory and something like swapping. Normal hard drive storage space would not be called memory, as it is only accessible through system calls and sequences of I/O instructions, not through memory operations. Although certainly operating system mechanisms like virtual memory and RAM-disks can blur the boundaries. NTK 18:05, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

virtual memory is also volitile memory and hence should fall under the same category.--Kim Nevelsteen 22:36, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
The Multics operating system really blurred the separation. In it everything had a "memory address", regardless of where it physically resided (disk, tape, punched card, printer, etc.). There were no system calls for I/O, except to map and unmap files and devices to their addresses. Once mapped the file or device was accessed just like any other memory as far as the programmer was concerned. -- 205.175.225.5 00:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm english and I use the word memory far more often than storage. Is this just me? or should the distinction between US and UK words be kept the way it is?

Okay, U.K.ers, is "memory" not used significantly in your part of the world? "Storage" is used in the U.S., but it is uncommon to use it for RAM and such. -R. S. Shaw 20:05, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm from England and "memory" is far more common than "storage" in my circles. -Lisa
  • Two votes to nought is good enough for me. I'll remove the UK/US distinction at the top of the article. -R. S. Shaw 22:38, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
  • In the US most computer illiterate people refer to hard drisk space as memory, as a geek it is extremely irritating. They are two totaly different things that should not be used interchangabley. Storage implies that the data is there long term RAM is not storage. IMHO another title that encompass's both needs to be created.
I agree; should not the link to this article on the page memory_(disambiguation) take the reader to the article on RAM? Geekosaurus 2 July 2006
Hard disks do implement a form of memory... You're just debating semantics. "Long term" is relative to some time frame... Relative to a femtosecond, DRAM certainly does implement long-term storage. The primary reason this article is called "storage" is because the word lacks some of the aformentioned connotation that "memory" has with solid state RAM. Really this article could equally well be titled "Computer memory"; it's a fairly arbitrary decision. -- uberpenguin @ 2006-07-03 00:19Z

[edit] Question

what is Smartdisk. The link is red and as far as i know its a company. If you search google it doesn't seem to say anything different. Of course I didn't look at all 1,390,000 results but the first 30 are all the same. My question is: is at a type of storage or a company? If it is only a company should it be listed here? Bawolff 02:30, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

What you say looks right. I'll remove it. -R. S. Shaw 20:05, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
okay Bawolff 04:16, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Memory vs Storage

The first intro paragraph does not state clearly the difference between memory and storage in the sense that memory is volatile. I think the distiction is important even if both are explained in the same article under computer storage.--Kim Nevelsteen 22:34, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Memory was not always volatile! Magnetic core memory used to be the most common main memory (and was also often used for the CPU registers) and is non-volatile. There is also work on MRAM and similar integrated circuit memory technologies that are non-volatile and operate at speeds of current DRAMs (for both read and write). MRAM may replace DRAM in a few years, making non-volatile main memory the standard again. -- 205.175.225.5 22:22, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
I think the difference is that memory is used in dynamic ways by a running progam, whereas storage is used for holding the overall input and output. There are exceptions of course (the obvious ones being virtual memory and RAM disk) but to me that seems the best way of explaining the basic difference. --LesleyW 23:43, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect redirect? (hey that rhymes!)

Sorry if something like this was mentioned already. I was redirected here from memory chips, but this article seems to be mainly more permanent memory, "storage," like hard disks, floppies, CDs, not RAM, Flash, etc. Is there a better page to redirect to? -- Twilight Realm 23:59, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Computer memory probably. -- 205.175.225.5 01:44, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
Computer memory is just a redirect to Memory (computers). This is unfortunate since Computer memory is linked to by about 100 articles, while the actual article Memory (computers) is ref'd by about 15.
This storage article used to cover both primary and secondary storage (eg RAM and disk), but an editor recently split it into two articles and put up "Clean up" boxes on them. Things seem to be in a bit of a shambles since then, and the incorrect redirect may be one result of the split. -R. S. Shaw 05:11, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
Maybe an admin could swap Computer memory and Memory (computers), which would simplify cleanup, considering the links. -- 205.175.225.5 21:27, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tertiary Storage?

quote from article:

In a home computer, storage will often take the form of:

  • A hard disk, which stores the user's files and programs. It keeps data even if the computer is turned off, and has a large capacity.
  • different sorts of drives
  • tertiary storage, using robotic arms

Could someone perhaps expand upon the 'tertiary storage' concept (which isn't discussed in the article), or take it out if it's vandalism (can't tell which it is)? Thanks. AustinZ 01:43, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Tertiary Storage as I learned it as have seen it in print is basically the slowest I/O that exists. This is because the data is stored on some media which is completely offline until it is called upon. Then by some mechanism (human or robotic or whatnot) the media is physically taken from a 'shelf' connected to the computer and accessable. The classic example is mainframe computers that use giant reels to store data with a robotic arm that places each reel on the player as needed.--None-of-the-Above 09:17, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup and merging

I have started cleaning up the article. Any comments regarding the direction I'm taking, and any help would be welcome. I also propose that the article should re-merged with memory (computers), since storage and memory are separated only in a very casual sense and it is very hard to discuss the related concepts separately, especially since there used to be no distinction, and a large part of the industry is busily working to remove any present distinction. I think the problem with the August 2005 version was bad organization, not the fact that storage and memory were discussed together. Aapo Laitinen 00:13, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Without having looked through all the related pages, I think it needs to start with a very simple summary (possibly as a separate page) that goes through the "what do we mean by storage" question, and then go into the details of (or links to) memory types and various media types. I actually came here via the "data storage device" page, looking for consolidated information about video tape formats - such as a table with names, dimensions, data formats typically used - and there doesn't seem to be such a thing. There are lots of detailed articles about XYZ product or format, but not much (as far as I could see) that brings it all together. --LesleyW 23:38, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Seems like recording medium, recording formats, videotape or video tape recorder might be better candidates for such content. Video tape formats are somewhat (but not entirely) tangential to computer storage, which is the intersection of recording media and computing. Basically, computer storage is pretty much the "what do we mean by storage when computers are mentioned in the same sentence" page. I too am interested in finding the proper "what do we mean by storage in general" and "here are all the information storage formats we known about" pages, so that they can get linked from this article. In this vein, which do you think is the more fundamental concept, medium or format? Aapo Laitinen 20:06, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Tricky question! A description of CD media should cover (or link to) the usages for audio, data and VCD, but on the other hand, MP3 files can be (are!) stored on a variety of media so an article that's about MP3 and mentions various media makes more sense. I think the question has to be approached on a case-by-case basis. As for an overview of the whole general topic... I think it probably needs to be listed both ways: "here are all the physical formats (media) we know about" and "here are all the data formats we know about". Thanks for the article suggestions, BTW, I'll check them out. --LesleyW 21:37, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I have no objections to a merge, but... (I was the one who split them). I would like to know how you address the differences between memory and I/O storage when certain algorithms have been developed to handle memory and not I/O. Memory is in essence the same as I/O devices if you consider that flash memory is storage, BUT there is still a fundimental difference between a computer's memory and the allocation and management thereof compared with slow I/O calls within the computer architecture. I would split the article with computer storage referring to HD, flash memory, tertiary storage (robotic arms), AND computer memory referring to the computer's memory, the cache memory for the processor, the 1 or 2 Gbs of RAM memory your computer has, the amount of working memory a device has to load programs and data. Until you address these differences then I don't think a merge is a good idea. --None-of-the-Above 09:22, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, a merge may not be what is neccessary here, but there needs to be some house cleaning. There's a good amount of overlap, and I'm not sure if the computer memory article has anything in it which isn't talked about elsewhere --cpritchett42 16:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I see your point, but I don't think the difference is fundamental. It sometimes makes sense to use internal sorting algorithms to sort external memory, for example. It wasn't until lately (relatively speaking) that memory allocation and management became a function of the operating system kernel instead of the library runtime i.e. the abstraction became mandatory. However, though not fundamental, I think the difference is important. But there is quite a lot of overlap, and I think the difference between, for example, internal and external algorithms is best explained contrasting their characteristics.
Looking at what links to computer memory and memory (computers), I would suggest this: Main storage gets moved to main memory, and memory (computers) redirects to computer memory which becomes a disambiguation page with links to main memory and computer storage. Essentially, computer storage would be the overview page about the general concept and terminology. An another article could begin like: XYZ is a form of computer storage and is often used as the main memory, or working memory, of a computer, and yet another article would mention: ABC had 64 kilobytes of main memory.
Alternatively, computer memory could be about the characteristics of computer memory with the specifics explained in primary storage, main storage and computer storage, or alternative, computer memory could be about the technology of primary storage, or alternatively, primary storage could be moved to computer memory (which is essentially what you suggested) or computer memory could redirect to primary storage. In any case, I would like to keep the duplication of information at minimum, since I have seen contributions to one article rarely migrate to other articles or do that very slowly. Aapo Laitinen 20:11, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Guess I arrived here late. I've been looking for something to work on since I finished up CPU, and I think computer memory in general needs some work, so here goes...
I tend to agree that the differences in the algorithmic treatment of primary and I/O storage are largely late concerns of microcomputers, not really fundamental to a discussion of computer storage (definitely noteworthy enough to discuss, though). I'm all for a good bit of merging since most of these offshoot articles seem to exist more or less because it's difficult to agree on exactly what to call everything. So far we have (at least) these related articles:
... and probably a few more I missed. This article definitely has the most solid content on the subject; I'm of the opinion that most of the others can simply be redirected here (fortunatly few of them have substantial content that isn't already covered somewhere else). I support the re-merge with memory (computers) and offer my assistance in doing so. I think the main article should stay entitled "Computer storage" and be fairly inclusive. Wikipedia really should have a single article that provides a good and thorough overview of computer storage methods and concerns. Anyone still around to help out? -- uberpenguin 06:18, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deeper informations

I think that in all types of computer memories, if it does not exist, we need informations of how it does function, what is its construction? --Čikić Dragan 16:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

As an organizing concept for computer data storage I have found the "Storage Pyramid" useful. The Y axis is access time and the X axis is capacity. I think a highly granular approach, starting with the CPU's registers, on-chip I&D caches, L2 cache, main memory (RAM), and then off to disk, flash, tape & optical makes a lot of sense. Then it is not about processing, but about data. I believe I have some cycles to help with this too. Let me know. www.storagemojo.com

[edit] Computer Memory vs Mass Storage

I have an idea which I think could help the "Computer Storage - cleanup or merge" question:

Because this topic is really so broad,

1. have a main article on "COMPUTER STORAGE" which focusses on mass storage devices - including all forms of rotating media and all devices which are accessed <other than> via the CPU's address bus. That would include all magnetic and optical disk drives, all flash "drives", SD and CF cards etc as well as "tertiary" storage devices (which are rare). Mass storage devices are accessed by "external" busses such as ATA/IDE, SCSI, USB etc. and are typically accessed by block or sector but not by individual byte. Redirect "storage" to this article, but also redirect "primary storage" or "main storage" to the COMPUTER MEMORY article below.

2. have another main article on COMPUTER MEMORY which focusses on all forms of memory devices which are directly connected to the CPU's address bus and are therefore individually byte-addressable. That would include all types of RAM - static RAM, dynamic RAM, SDRAM, DDR RAM etc as well as the old magnetic core memory and even tube memory, and all types of ROM - PROM, EPROM, EEPROM etc. "Computer memory" should also include primary and secondary CPU cache memory. Redirect "memory", "RAM", "ROM" etc and "primary/main storage" to this article.


My reasons for this suggestion are:

a) the distinction between Memory and (Mass) Storage is fundamental to the architecture of any computer. Memory is what the CPU addresses via its address bus using memory read/write cycles at the internal CPU bus speed. Mass storage devices, by contrast, require relatively slow input/output cycles and interrupt calls to access them, via a variety of busses which are external to the CPU, not integral to it;

b) the concepts of "primary" and "secondary" storage blur the above clear distinctions and are less helpful in explaining the respective functions of the two;

c) I recognise that many operating systems also confuse and blur the distinction between memory and mass storage, by the use of "virtual memory" and the like on one hand, and "RAM disks" on the other. However this does not alter the fundamental differences noted above;

d) the often-quoted volatile/non-volatile definitions are not relevant to the distinction between memory and mass storage devices because they can each be both (lthough volatile mass storage is not very useful!). Indeed when large cheap non-volatile solid-state memory is available (which will probably happen within the next few years) the need for mechanical, rotating non-volatile mass storage devices (for example) will be eliminated. Mass storage devices will then also actually be memory (just as flash drives etc already are);

e) if consensus is reached on this suggestion I would be ready willing and able to start compiling the article on Computer Memory, about which I have some reference material as well as some experience and knowledge. I would also include a history of Computer Memory, going back to the vacuum tube memory of the mid 1940's, as well as the magnetic core memory of the 1950's and 60's.


I'm quite new around here, so I'm not sure about the procedure from here in. I've added this topic to my "watch" so I'll just wait and see what happens and hope that somebody will respond one day!

Regards

Now I've saved this page and I see my User Name didn't show up as I expected - I guess my login timed out while I was writing it - it took a while!

Anyway, my User Name is NevilleRaymond. It might show up now because I logged in again ....


[edit] Data storage device has broader meaning than computer storage

My digital camera is not a computer, its data storage device should not be considered 'computer storage'. The name 'computer storage' is simply the wrong term for something like a flash card. Kevin_b_er 00:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, your digital camera is in all likelihood a computer, but that's a moot point. When used in the context of a computer, flash memory implements computer storage. The scope of this article is (or, should be) more about storage functionality than the actual devices, which may have limited usage outside the microcomputer model. For specifics on the actual devices we have many other articles, just as the solid state flash memory has its own article. -- uberpenguin @ 2006-08-18 02:59Z

The name "computer storage" to cover all storage media is irrespective of the fact that analog data storage still is not obsolete and even digital storage is used in applications other than computing. The merge should be reversed. Oicumayberight 21:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Nobody ever claimed that this article should cover analog storage media. The title "computer storage" nearly implies digital, and the few exceptions (analog computers) are generally not notable enough for the purposes of this article. Again, read what I said above. This article should not be about device specifics, but about storage roles within the modern (von Neumann) computer model. Even in its rough state, note that the article mostly covers storage models, roles and characteristics. There are (and should be) very little about functional device specifics in this article since there are individual articles for those. In other words, in this article we talk about (for example) the significance of primary storage in the von Neumann model and mention a few technologies commonly used to implement primary storage. We do NOT go into a description of how DRAM functions. -- mattb @ 2006-09-09T02:29Z
Let me add something that should address what you're getting at. I do think that there is probably a better article to redirect data storage device to. I think it was originally directed here because its content was largely duplicate of this article. However, you're absolutely correct that "data" can be in many forms, including analog, and if you can find a more appropriate article to direct data storage device to, I'd be happy to support it. I think electronic media might be a possibility, but the article contained there is pretty weak, methinks. -- mattb @ 2006-09-09T02:46Z
I agree. It doesn't belong under computer storage. I agree that electronic media needs work. I've been working on it myself, but it could use some help from an engineer type. I'm not sure that electronic media should be the final page. Maybe data storage device is better kept separate with a little expansion to analog storage. Oicumayberight 07:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I moved this page to Electronic Information Storage. If someone wants to split the page, having storage signal processing on one page and storage media on another, thats fine. If someone want's to contrast computers storage from other uses on a different page that's fine too. I just don't want to write articles about the alternate uses of common electronic information storage methods with duplicate information and have to worry about version control. My suggestion to the computer writers is to not try to force every technology into a von Neumann computer model, because not everything fits. Some of these technologies have a much longer history and possibly an alternate future than computing. Oicumayberight 12:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I have to say I disagree heartily with the new page name. There is nothing that mandates that a computer be electronic, and the concepts of computer storage are abstract in nature. Even though the examples of implementations of computer storage discussed in this article are mostly electronic, the concepts aren't totally implementation-bound, and I see no reason for this article to limit its scope. As I pointed out above, this article's main scope is the role of storage in computers, and a little about implementation. This article is not intended to be a catch-all for all forms of data storage. What's more, the new title doesn't even suit the de facto content of the article, since several computer storage implementations are mentioned that are not electronic at all: punch cards, delay-line memory, holographic and molecular storage, optical disks. I understand what you're trying to accomplish, but this isn't the correct place to create an article about all forms of information storage media. -- mattb @ 2006-10-08T06:08Z

[edit] My 2 Cents

I would also agree that that there is nothing that madates a computer to be electronic. I do not think that this should even be an article page for "Computer Storage" perhaps instead this should be called somethinge else like Digital Storage or more appropate ? Information Storage, there is even talk on this page about punch cards. How about Computer Storeage Therois and methods ? I came across this page when looking for places to physically put computers, and this page covers nothing of recommened enviromental seetings, humidity, ambient tempature, grounding practices, etc. What conditions must be required for accessing our computer storage in the attic from the basement?

[edit] new page name and the merge

Taking into consideration that computers don't have to be electronic and that "computer storage" sounds like a store room for PCs, I recommend 3 things:

1) This page is renamed "Computer memory" and only discusses processes for reading and writing digital data RAM, ROM, PROM, device formatting, parallel, serial, etc. Only the storage devices that are unique to the process of computing should be discussed in detail on this page. Storage devices that can store analog data or data for non-computing devices (e.g. magnetic tape recorder) should be discussed on the appropriate page. Oicumayberight 00:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

"Computer memory" vs "computer storage" is fairly pedantic. The reason we stuck with storage is that "memory" has the slight connotation of RAM, and we wanted to be implementation-agnostic. If you have another idea why "memory" would be more appropriate, do share. I fear you're still missing the point, however. This article should address how storage/memory works within the computer model. Not implementations. Not devices. Not storage outside the computer (von Neumann) model. If you want to do that, improve or create another page. Also, RS-232 is a communications standard, not a type of storage. -- mattb @ 2006-10-09T22:18Z
I wasn't suggesting that RS-232 is a type of storage. I said RAM, ROM, PROM, device formatting, parallel, serial, were all process-realated. RS-232 is a standard for a process. Computing is a process. Information is not memory until is used in a storage/retrieval process. This was my point in suggesting the pages be kept separate. Storage devices are not processes. Processes are not storage devices. Oicumayberight 23:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay, then exactly why should information on an I/O standard be included on a page about computer storage? You're making less and less sense now. -- mattb @ 2006-10-10T00:40Z

2) The "Data storage device" page stays separate and expands to include analog as well as digital. Since most electrical information is mechanical, magnetic or optical before it is converted to electrical, use those categories for everything that doesn't require electrical power to maintain the information. Batteries, capacitors, tubes and transistors are examples of the few exclusively electrical storage devices. You can talk about punch cards on that page. You could technically say that a printed book is an optical data storage device on that page if you want to be accurate. The page should make the distinction between the "accessing device" (e.g. player, reader, writer) and "holding device" (e.g. disk, microchip, reel, etc.) Oicumayberight 00:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

That's fine by me. I hate the title of that page, but that's a trivial concern. I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at in your second sentence as it's rather a contradiction of terms to say "electrical information can be mechanical, magnetic, or optical"... That's confusing and largely incorrect. Electrical signals are electrical, period. I think what you mean to say is that data (which is a far more general term) can be stored in a plethora of formats on a plethora of media with a plethora of techniques. I'd be careful about batteries and transistors, though. Batteries are certainly energy storage devices, but I think you'd be very hard pressed to argue that they are viable data storage media. Transistors are even fuzzier; a transistor controls current flow. While several transistors can be coupled with one another or other devices to create a data storage device, a single transistor doesn't really store "data" in a useful form. Anyway, aside from my nitpicks, it seems that you have the right idea for the content of the data storage device article. -- mattb @ 2006-10-09T22:18Z
I'm working on it. You'll understand more of what I mean when I'm through. Oicumayberight 23:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

3) Stop trying to fit everything that is used by computers to fit exclusively within the context of the Von Neumann computer model. It seems to limit emerging technologies that are not computer related from getting exposure on the wikipedia. Devices like cell phones and digital cameras may integrate with computers, but are not considered computers, nor should they be. This will keep non-computer scientists like myself from having to rename pages that are monopolizing terminology. I wouldn't have renamed this page if there weren't so many redirects to it that had little or nothing to do with computing. Oicumayberight 00:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Again, consider that this article is about the significance, organization, and hierarchy of storage within the (von Neumann) computer. It is NOT about general data storage technologies. What's more, I fail to understand what you're trying to convey. Taking your own examples, modern cell phones and digital cameras most certainly ARE computers, and usually von Neumann computers at that. Consider that the relevance of digital storage media grew with and as a result of the relevance of the computer. The concepts of digital storage and von Neumann machines are very much intertwined. Anyway, if a lot of general information storage articles redirect here, that should be changed, but the content and scope of this article is more or less correct as it stands. Could you give some examples of pages that redirect here which you believe should not? -- mattb @ 2006-10-09T22:18Z
Just because something contains a computer, doesn't make it a computer. Haven't you heard of ubicomp? Do you call a guided missile cruiser a computer? When your PDA is in your hand, do you call yourself a computer? Do you call your car a motor?
BTW, Storage medium redirected to here. There were some other pages that redirected to data storage device, which would have redirected here if the pages were merged. I can't remember the other pages, but there was more than a few. Oicumayberight 23:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
What's your point? Let's not get into a pedantic argument about "what qualifies as a computer" or detract from the discussion at hand with silly patronizing rhetoric. You take issue with fitting digital storage into the von Neumann model, but I find that silly since you very rarely if ever see digital storage used outside the realm of computers. Cellular phones have digital memory that is accessed by a computer inside them. Digital cameras (usually) have a computer that access their storage space. If a guided missile has digital memory in it, you can bet that its used by a computer. As I said earlier, the historical relevance of digital memory is closely tied with the increased relevance of computers.
I understand and agree with the point that articles like storage medium probably shouldn't redirect here. That's fine. However, I don't entirely agree with the assertion that digital memory is highly relevant outside the model of what we know as computers. If you really feel that digital memory is significant outside the realm of computers, you really need to find several notable examples of digital memory usage without a computer attached. Note that computers are in no way limited to a desktop PC. I don't know if that was the point you were attempting to make, but claiming that a cell phone using digital memory is an example of a device that isn't a computer using digital memory is simply wrong. -- mattb @ 2006-10-10T00:40Z

[edit] 8000 000=1MB?

In the first section, this is said, this should be verified though I do not have time at this moment...

Yes, 8,000,000 bits = 1 megabyte. Your article edit suggests you think a mebibyte is 10^6; it's not, it's 2^20. I've changed the article back to show the correct relationship. (Of course a computer would be more likely to come with 1 mebibyte than 1 megabyte, but that's a different issue. And decimal multiples have been used; for instance some IBM machines came with 65K characters of memory, and they indeed meant 65,000 characters, not 65,536 (2^16) characters.) -R. S. Shaw 01:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New name suggestion

I still think computer storage sounds like a store room for computer. I suggest renaming this page "computer data storage". I directed that page name to this page, but I think the redirect should be reversed. Oicumayberight 09:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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