Talk:Comparison of wiki farms
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[edit] my very first Wikipedia page
To more experienced Wikipedians, I ask for your guidance as I attempt this, my very first Wikipedia page. Thanks in advance, and have an excellent day. Jeb 04:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I can obtain more wiki hosts off the Internet but I am concerned about Wikipedia conventions and regulations in this matter. Please advise. Jeb 04:47, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- WP:WEB is probably the relevant guideline for whether a "farm" should be listed. Kappa 04:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- I have reviewed the WP:WEB page. This page, List of wiki farms, was a pre-existing page that I discovered while reading the page, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. There was a link to the List of wiki farms page, and I decided to develop that page since I have experience with wikis, I am developing three of my own which are located on hosts other than Wikipedia.
- My question is, Should I develop a page on Wikipedia with links to free and paid wiki hosts, or is that against Wikipedia policy?
- Jeb 05:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- Well at the moment it's just a list of external links, it's better to focus on the more notable ones and provide some commentary. Kappa 06:23, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm going crazy here, but a few days ago, this was a very fully-developed page with feature lists, commentary, etc, then it was cleared? What happened? Dweekly 07:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- Seems to have been speedy deleted [1]. We'd better go ask at deletion review. Kappa 08:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm going crazy here, but a few days ago, this was a very fully-developed page with feature lists, commentary, etc, then it was cleared? What happened? Dweekly 07:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- Well at the moment it's just a list of external links, it's better to focus on the more notable ones and provide some commentary. Kappa 06:23, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
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- I gotta say the list is pretty bare now. Very few details, i.e., gratis is in german, if you don't speak german you are up a creek w/o a paddle... Renmiri 02:05, 11 February 2006 (UTC)Renmiri
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[edit] My experience at the free wikifarms
I went to each one of them trying to find a place to my Wikibook, which I'm not positive it belongs at Wikibooks. After that "pilgrimage" I added some coments to your list on some of the farms I visited. Nothing iffy, just stuff I thought other users would like to know, such as the german pages of Gratis and the difference in markup languages. For more details on what I found you can see my blog, where I blogged about my experiences
He, he, he... The deletion of this page is such a textbook example of why a page listing Wiki farms that HAS to exist! Someone deleted it because Wikipedia is not a link farm... Fine, but where does the guy who spent hours doing the table and the page is going to put his content ? At another wiki where his content is more appropriate, right ? And where can he find that wiki ?
It is precisely the reason I made my comments about markup language. People who spend hours making a page that gets voted for deletion would like to know that all their work won't be in vain, that they can reuse it. But after my trip to all the free wiki farms I found out that reusing rejected (or iffy) wiki content ain't that straight forward!
As a mater of fact, the only place where I could get something decently ressembling my original page, without having to fiddle with it a lot was editthis.info which I almost didn't try because of it's line being so empty at the table here. Seedwiki has the words "wiki mode" on it's list of features which looked like what I wanted: compatibility with Wikipedia and Wikibooks markup. Whatever seedwiki's "wiki mode" is, I could not find easily after an hour of fiddling, so I gave up.
Anyhow, the bottom line is that all the wiki farms listed here are pretty good, but each one serves better a particular kind of user, which is what my little note about markups tried to convey... Renmiri 02:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)Renmiri
[edit] NPOV
This article doesnt have a NPOV.. user ratings like "fast setup" should not be here, it's pov. Furthermore things like "user friendly" are again POV. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Please fix these. --logixoul 13:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Please keep this page
Please keep this page! I really like to have this overview of wikifarms hosted by wikipedia. For me, wikipedia is *the* source of independent, peer-reviewed information. :-) So when I looked for a free wikifarm to host my personal wiki (personal, as noone except me will ever read it), wikipedia was the obvious start point.
WRT "fast setup": yes, I really appreciate if someone looks at couple of wikis and tries to use them and reports if it is easy to use or not. To start a wiki on pbwiki was a snap - about a minute total. :-) But maybe I'll look at some other options too - their wiki markup is intuitive, but different. :-(
Wikipedian editors, don't be ridiculous, if a page is often being suggested for deletion, not many people will work on improving it. So it will not get improved - self-fulfilling prophecy. Free advice: Remove "deletion' from top page, and add on talk that it is *not* going to be deleted, ever. You want people to try wiki for their own non-wikipedia purposes, so wiki will become the "true way" to share info and publish on web. They will come back to edit wikipedia pages when they get the bug.
Suggestion: Maybe more helpful info (deep links) could be added: features, a page comparing free/paid options, summary of modes of sharing edits (if any), etc. Maybe one person can try them all and rate the features (I know, 'no original research' rule is against it), and/or look for reviews etc. But even as it is now, the page is quite useful. Thank you for creating it and resisting temptation of deleting it! :-)
Yeah, this is my longest post so far. I really need to register user account. :-) Next time I will. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.0.96.115 (talk • contribs).
[edit] Don't Delete, just help make it -not- POV.
A listing of the wiki farms' features is needed. Among other things, yes, it gives people an outlet to seek to place wiki stuff that -doesn't- belong on Wikipedia itself. If it's POV, wikipediaze it, don't delete it.
For example, even the word in the title "Comparison" is an invitation towards POV thinking, but that doesn't mean that the underlying spirit of the article isn't useful and warranted, it just means that it needs changing.
Maybe there's another, less POV article that it could be merged with to create a greater whole.
Maybe the categories and wording should be changed to encourage enclusion of factual features of the wiki farms instead of comparisons or ratings.
Deletion is base surrender, change for the better just happens to require more work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.233.225.195 (talk • contribs).
