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Contents 1 Move 2 Shift material to other articles 3 Page content, recent edits 4 Mustafa Suphi 5 15'ler 6 Expert

[edit] Move

We always have the page under an English name, with the original name in the first sentence. Hence I moved it.

Secretlondon 12:01, Dec 18, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Shift material to other articles

This page ought to be restricted to the original TKP, with wikilinks to the current groups claiming the name. Material on TIP, SIP and the current post-SIP TKP ought to be shifted to separate articles. --Soman 05:13, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Page content, recent edits

• its incorrect to state that there would only be one TKP in Turkey today(Iscinin sesi and Ürün challenging that).
• Secondly, when there are several groups having the same name, the original one usually gets the main article name. Compare Communist Party of Germany and Communist Party of Germany (1990)
• Thirdly, the text inserted is not encyclopediatic (for example it uses "we" at several points). --Soman 15:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

your article is not encylopedic because you have to indicate the TKP groups in different articles(if you believe so).You cant indicate there are many TKPs in the title of "Communst Party of Turkey". It is better to say different groups in different pages. And i dont see any other TKPs in Turkey. Have you seen? if u see many others... then i had established one TKP yesterday. you have to inform it here also... it is funny isnt it? so, don't do that such meaningless things...

I've physically met members of all three groups currently claiming the name of TKP. Only one has the legal registered name TKP, though. But even if there was only one group currently claiming the name, it still doesn't change the fact that the party is organizationally separate from the original TKP founded in 1920. One can debate over which article should be were, but I still consider that the original TKP is more relevant to have at this name, than the current group. --Soman 15:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

then put here my TKP also: the TKP(cccp_1917), this is a new fraction!! and where you ve talked? in Turkey or in Europa or Germany... and how many people have u been talked till?

Bring out a journal, organise a youth wing and set-up a website, and you'll qualify as a political party. The argument of location is rather strange. I suppose you are aware that many Turkish left groups are active in exile, not by free choice but because they were forced out of their country by state repression. The fact that this particular faction was given the legal recognition to the name TKP by the same regime shouldn't be a honour in eyes of communists. Lastly, I misread the "we" thing ('we're' and 'were' look similar at times). --Soman 15:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

bringing out journal, and setting-up web-site are not criteria for the leninist. It is not honour to be recognized as TKP by state, but it is honour that to be recoginzed as TKP by Turkish people and working class. And the TKP destroyed the ban on komünist name in Turkey. The party did it with hard struggle of many many years, not with only bring out journal or set a web-site or struggling outside of country like Germany.

Well, in short wikipedia isn't really structured by Leninist criteria. The text inserted is taken directly from the party website. That constitutes a copy-vio, and even if the webmaster of www.tkp.org.tr agreed to have it published here it is highly unsuitable to copy-paste presentations from political parties directly into wiki-articles. --Soman 16:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

and wikipedia isnt really structured by revisionist criteria. Your text has parts from http://www.urundergisi.com/english.urundergisi

'Your text'? Is it the slogan under the picture? I didn't add that one. Anyway, it should be removed. --Soman 16:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mustafa Suphi

Ataturk had no reason to kill him. M. Suphi and his comrades were killed by the Ottoman Emperor's order.

This is not true. The latest sultan had no relationship with Mustafa Suphi. He was killed by nationalist militia in Lazistan. Who later attached themselves with Mustafa Kemal.

[edit] 15'ler

Suphi was killed by the order of Atatürk. The history can not be changed... 88.226.196.75 14:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I also have that impression. Just provide a source that can be used as reference. --Soman 15:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

History can be rewritten, if it was written wrong in the first place.

[edit] Expert

There are obviously different interpretations on who was behind the killing of Süphi. Someone with more indebt knowledge about the issue should rewrite the passage, and include some sources. --Soman 07:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)