Talk:Cohen's kappa

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Exellent sweep work and getting that formula in order. Cheers. --Piewalker 21:49, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dispute with AbsolutDan

I found this message on my Talk page: "Please stop. If you continue to use Wikipedia for advertising, as you did in Cohen's kappa, you will be blocked from editing. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. --AbsolutDan (talk) 12:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)" Can someone provide an opinion on the suitability of the link to Cohen's Kappa Example: http://www.6sigma101.com/glossary/cohen_kappa.htm#1 What is wrong with this example? In what way is this advertizing? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.214.51.192 (talk • contribs) .

The formula looks fine at that link. Advertising or not, the 2x2 tables are helpful. It's the correct formula. Leaving that page, to be honest I don't feel an overwhelming, compulsory, capitalistic urge to buy anything. In fact, after visiting that page I want to buy less stuff and use the formula to gauge interrater agreement between other people who also went there and want to buy less. Piewalker 15:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Piewalker. Do you support re-adding the link?

Sure. We can always remove it later if the forces of good or evil collectively decide this one hyperlink sucks. Piewalker 16:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
That's opposite of how it works, the inclusion of links has to be justified, not their removal. You need to explain first, what makes the link a unique resource to the encyclopedic content that isn't already in the article or could be easily included? Femto 18:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I guess you're right, Femto. Even though I already justified inclusion of the link with my first post in sentence 2, 3, and 4, I suppose it's not necessarily a "unique" resource. One could get this data from many places. I still think 2x2 tables are excellent examples that are easily modifiable for adaptation to the article (so it's not plagiarism). Thanks for volunteering yourself to do that, "Male, European, and already paranoid about giving away this much information." Holler if you need help. Cheerio. Piewalker 18:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not volunteering, 203.214.51.192 should. Instead of keeping to re-include contentious external links, add truly free internal content to Wikipedia. Femto 18:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dispute with Femto

So that you can remove it at your whim? It is very clear that Wikipedia is about spam wars by self-confessed vigilante like you and AbsolutDan, and not about supporting genuine contributions. As you know yourself you violate Wikipedia rules by removing content supported by another editor who has proven that the advertising point made by AbsolutDan is simply not true. As you can see from this discussion records the other external link here never had to be justified (I am not suggesting to remove it though). This is a clear example of your selective, vindictive approach. You made it "contentious" and totally ignored its content. What is "truly free internal content"? How is http://www.6sigma101.com/glossary/cohen_kappa.htm#1 not free? Is it because you cannot see it in Opera? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.214.51.192 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply copied from User talk:Femto - Contribute cited text, not bare links. External links are not content. The page is Copyright ©2006 MiC Quality, under exclusive control of that company, and not part of Wikipedia's GNU Free Documentation License. I'm not "removing professional content from Wikipedia", you never added it. You showed no other interest in improving Wikipedia, only in placing links to the company you're associated with. This is advertising, and your insistent inclusion of links is spamming. Femto 12:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


As I've mentioned in a couple places already, 6sigma101.com has been spammed across multiple articles by several usernames and IPs which appear to be working in concert. Please see the following:

There was a heated discussion about the link here: Talk:Six Sigma where it was determined the link was not extremely helpful and is to a site that is intended to promote their services (6sigma training). If you do a WHOIS on 203.214.69.7 ([1]) and 203.214.51.192 ([2]), you can see they both come from the same ISP. It seems apparent that this is simply the new IP of the above contributor(s), back to try to include links to their site, in blatent violation of guidelines. Furthermore, removing the link is not against guidelines unless there is a consensus in favor of the link. One agreement does not a consensus make, especially when there are 2 people not in favor of the link. Besides, the one person who did initially agree with the link later decided against it. Please stop pushing the 6sigma101 link and add useful content to Wikipedia. --AbsolutDan (talk) 21:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

As an outside observer, I viewed the link to 6sigma101 and found the example to be not only a good one but lacking of any particular "buy our services" content that you describe. While that material may be elsewhere on the site and other links by the users described may better advertise for their services, it is not even a secondary purpose for the link provided on this page. ju66l3r 21:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. Your comment is like a breath of fresh air. I hope there will be more professional people like you supporting useful contributions from other professional people. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.214.51.192 (talk • contribs) .
As given for the rationale of my last revert, linkspam does not have to be commercial to be promotional. Professional people are still invited to contribute content instead of links. Femto 13:18, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to Re-enter Link to The Example

As before I would like to add the link to the example on Cohen's Kappa. If you support it please confirm it here. TIA

It's probably best to not relink it, especially considering the evidence presented above. I proposed earlier that you adapt the 2x2 tables and then integrate them into the article instead of hyperlinking to a proprietary page. Adapt the content, it's not that hard. True it's a little bit more work, but that's what you're gonna have to do in this case, dude. Oh, and you probably should register at Wikipedia and get yourself a user name if you want to be taken seriously here. Cheerio. Piewalker 22:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I must say that the link gives good information. I must concede too that I did not regard it as unduly "promotional". The argument of Femto, however, is not to be dismissed easily. Thus, incorporation of the illustration sample in the article would be a benefit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.194.34.103 (talk • contribs) .

The owner of a site was pushing to add links to it, if that's not promotional, what is it? Adding true internal content would be fine. Femto 16:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Femto that the additions of "true internal content would be fine." Absolutely. Sure, there's some information at that site, but its interspersed with promotional material. Adapt the concepts of the content there in your own way! Ideas cannot be copyrighted. The Associated Press Stylebook and Libel Manual (32nd edition, 1997) notes the following on page 303: "The broadest limitation on the reach of copyright law is that ideas and facts are never protected by a copyright." Adapt it. Don't link to it. There's no compelling reason to link to a page. I agree, an illustration of the concepts presented in that particular link would be helpful in this article, but those concepts can be found at dozens of other web sites as well, not to mention text books and a litany of peer-reviewed journal articles that have used this in practice. In this case, you must do the work to adapt the content, or collaborate with others to aptly communicate the principles of Kappa. What we're after here at Wikipedia is the truth, not to advertise. I'm against linking. I'm not against representing truth. So, anonymous user, again I respectfully request that you register at Wikipedia and sign your comments. Above all, I appreciate that you're trying to make this article better. Piewalker 16:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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