Talk:Coal Harbour

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[edit] City definition vs Historical definition again

The "Coal Harbour Neighbourhood" is a planner's fiction and a political invention; the old Blueblood Alley on West Pender was always considered part of the West End; and while the Marine Building overlooks Coal Harbour, it's not part of Coal Harbour. A distinction has to be made in this article between the historical Coal Harbour, ie. other than as a body of water but as a commercial/industrial and only barely residential district, and the city's new post-gee-aren't-we-great definition/redevelopment of all the CPR and other fill on the south flank of the Harbour (which has filled in the harbour, not incidentally); same problem as with the city's definition of the West End vs the historical reality and the way people use the term. I don't buy for a minute that the Bentall Centre or "the Melville" (yawn; do we really need condo developments to have their own wiki-promotion pages?) are in Coal Harbour, or that so many of the so many tallest buildings are in the supposed Coal Harbour Neighbourhood. Screw city hall - they're downtown, and that's it; a mention could be made that the city has "branded" this area to be Coal Harbour, but in local parlance it remains "Downtown" and/or the Financial District; Coal Harbour as a neighbourhood, residential that is, is brand-new and, to me, is entirely north of Hastings Street.Skookum1 17:42, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:AGF --Usgnus 17:54, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

So we have a modern definition in popular and growing use that's contrary to the historical definition. Big deal. We should report them both. Cite each from reliable sources so they're verifiable. Readers can take it from there. --Ds13 19:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article name

I'm thinking that the page should be moved to Coal Harbour, Vancouver (or something similar) and a disambiguation page created at Coal Harbour. (Seems a trifle unfair to the folks in the village of Coal Harbour to co-opt the main name... plus it would bring the title in line with the naming convention for the Vancouver project.) --Ckatz 05:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually Coal Harbour (Vancouver) is my preference, like Killarney (Vancouver) and all the lakes at Category:Lakes of British Columbia and most rivers at Category:Rivers of British Columbia. --Usgnus 06:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Fine with me, and thanks for the input - I wasn't sure what the specifics were for a body of water. There are quite a few links that would need updating, but I'm more than willing to do the work as it was my suggestion. How long should we wait to see if anyone is opposed - a few days, a week, what do you think? --Ckatz 06:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Point of information: Coal Harbour in Vancouver was named first (by George Vancouver) - I think; it may be that he'd also named the one on the Island, but I'm not familiar enough with the logs of his voyages to know which place he'd charted first. My impression, loosely, is that the community on the island and the bay with that name there were from a later exploration of the island, when coal seams were actively being looked for; and I'm not sure if that particular stretch of coast was charted by Vancouver or his Spanish colleagues (they traded and amalgamated charts).Skookum1 07:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)