User talk:Cloveious

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Hi, welcome to my talk page

see also: User talk:Cloveious/archive1

Contents 1 Request for edit summary 2 Please check your WP:NA entry 3 Image Tagging Image:FormerNWTcapitals.png 4 MLA's 5 History of Northwest Territories capital cities 6 Template:Canadian federal political parties 7 New Wikiproject! 8 Barnstar Award 9 Alberta elections 10 Cheryl Kaye Tardif 11 Just a question about Pelly 12 Use of fair use images for decorative purposes 13 Final warning 14 Personal attacks

[edit] Request for edit summary

Hi. I am a bot, and I am writing to you with a request. I would like to ask you, if possible, to use edit summaries a bit more often when you contribute. The reason an edit summary is important is because it allows your fellow contributors to understand what you changed; you can think of it as the "Subject:" line in an email. For your information, your current edit summary usage is 9% for major edits and 5% for minor edits. (Based on the last 150 major and 150 minor edits outside the Wikipedia, User, Image, and all Talk namespaces.)

This is just a suggestion, and I hope that I did not appear inpolite. You do not need to reply to this message, but if you would like to give me feedback, you can do so at the feedback page. Thank you, and happy edits, Mathbot 04:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please check your WP:NA entry

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Thank you, and have a wiki wiki day! BDAbramson T 04:14, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:FormerNWTcapitals.png

This media may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:FormerNWTcapitals.png. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL-self}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{fairusein|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 09:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MLA's

Thanks. I wish I could put some of the other info that I have but it's original research that I got from meeting them. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:44, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of Northwest Territories capital cities

I hope you haven't given up on your FAC! Raul (the Featured Article director) seems to have left it a little while extra because it was an indecisive vote. I have added a few actionable comments here: [Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/History of Northwest Territories capital cities]. I think if you address them you can have an FA. Cheers, Marskell 22:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

who are you to comment on what I do?

[edit] Template:Canadian federal political parties

You reverted my removal of fair use images from this template. Per Wikipedia policy as laid out at Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9, you are not allowed to use fair use tagged images (such as Image:Lib-can cropped.png) outside of the main article namespace. This policy proscribes such use in templates. Please do not re-insert these party logos, or any other fair use image, back into this template or any other template. Thank you, --Durin 15:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Wikiproject!

Hi!

I wanted to invite you to join the new WikiProject Political parties and politicians in Canada. The goal is simple: to create and maintain high quality articles on Wikipedia related to Canadian politicians and Canadian political parties. Come on over and check us out at WP:PPAP. Ardenn 16:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar Award

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For your extensive work on the more tedious details of Canadian political articles. Especially your recent Alberta electoral work. —GrantNeufeld 05:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alberta elections

Most of the Green Party of Alberta candidates for the next election have not been set yet. I expect that will start to change once the summer is over. I'll probably be finding out if I'm running again by the end of September. (Our next convention is Sept.30-Oct.1 in Calgary.) If I am reelected as President of the party (my 2 year term is up at this convention) I almost certainly won't be running as a candidate next election—so I can stay focused on my organizational duties.

Regarding the incumbent MLA bio stubs—I agree with you. There's generally not a lot of exciting writing there :-) I've tended to add stubs only for the ones I've met and/or taken photos of.

—GrantNeufeld 11:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cheryl Kaye Tardif

Thank you so much for your support and for the Keep vote on this article. I am very new here and this was the first article I had contributed to Wiki. Of course I had no idea that it would spin into such controversy, and as I haven't had time to read the entire Wiki policy guide (has anyone???? yikes!), I realized afterward that I committed a Wiki faux pas by writing about myself. Regardless, I appreciate your support and the support of others. The article was kept. Thank you! Much appreciated!!!!! All the best!(Cherylktardif 22:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Just a question about Pelly

Ever been there? I'm a descendant of the township and it's just weird such a hamlet has an entry here.

• Hi, I created that article because it was near Fort Livingstone Historical site, I was actually born in Calgary and my family is from Quebec. --Cloveious 02:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Use of fair use images for decorative purposes

Greetings.

You reverted my removal of fair use images that were used for a decorative purpose on the 40th Canadian federal election article. The use of images in this way violates Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #8. Party logos can be used on the pages specifically discussing that party, but to use them in the manner you have violates our policies. Please note the policy says "The material must contribute significantly to the article". In function, having the logos does nothing in terms of identification that noting the party names does not also serve. As such, the function you are using it for is a decorative use and is not acceptable under our policy. Please do not reinsert the images back into the article. If you have any questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. Thanks, --Durin 13:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

• You may not use the logos in the way you insist on doing. I have reverted your re-insertion again [1] and reported this to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents [2]. Please note that if fair use law worked as you seem to think it does, you could make a million t-shirts with any logo on it you wanted. If you did so with, say, the logo of Coca-Cola their lawyers would be on your doorstep faster than you could put a t-shirt on. I invite you to reconsider your actions and your understanding of fair use law. --Durin 13:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

• I am disappointed you have chosen the path you have. You've raised a few points (outside of the personal attacks, for which you've been warned by Elonka below) that I'd like to address.
• I have not threatened you. I am sorry that you feel that way, but nothing in what I have done has in any way been intended to threaten you. That you feel you're going to become a martyr because you're being blocked is to say the least very disheartening. Nevertheless, I am applying the block that you were warned would happen if you willfully violated the policy again, which you have. The fault here is not with myself or the other admin that warned you, but with you for failure to understand that our policies must be adhered to despite you being warned to that effect by the other admin.
• Whether or not the political parties are well aware of what happens on Wikipedia is irrelevant. If they have specifically released their logo images under a free license, then there would be no issue with the use of the logos as you would like. However, to date you've not provided any evidence that they have. Whether or not they are content with abuses of their copyrights has no bearing on the usage of their logos here. We do not make exceptions except in extremely rare cases (the only ones I know of have had to do with the main page, and temporary at that). This is because creating an environment where fair use images can exist because of various exceptions, clauses, pseudo-oks from organizations, and what not creates a nightmare management situation for Wikipedia. Instead, the policy is written to be clear; decorative use of fair use images is not allowed. It's easy to understand, easy to follow, easy to enforce and (usually) easy to convey to people who (usually temporarily) disagree with the policy. If instead we structured this as you would have it be so, there would be no reasonable way in which we could possibly manage the use of fair use images on Wikipedia.
• Please understand; Wikipedia receives e-mail and phone calls every single day regarding copyright violations and fair use abuse. We can not assume that "x" organization is ok with a given fair use abuse just because we think it very unlikely they would ever sue. We will eventually be wrong, and trust me; Wikipedia has already received many threats of legal action. We have to draw a line somewhere. For the use of fair use images in decorative ways, we draw the line at saying it's not allowed. Period.
• Failure to adhere to copyright law and fair use law directly threatens the very existence of Wikipedia. We must take a stance against such abuses in order to protect ourselves against this threat. I am sorry you disagree, but your disagreement does not change the facts; we must adhere to copyright law and we must have a policy that is easy to manage.
• Fair use policing is one small subset of all that I do. I contribute in many other arenas in a variety of different ways. A sampling of this can be seen at User:Durin/Contributions. Therefore, your accusation that I am not "smart enough to contribute any usefull content" is not just a personal attack, but also false. I encourage you to carefully reconsider making any personal attacks in the future, whether they have basis in fact or (as in this case) no such basis. Such behavior will lead to increasingly long blocks of your editing privileges.
• The choice here is very clearly yours; you can continue to violate Wikipedia policy by inserting fair use images against policy and/or conducting personal attacks and suffer increasingly long blocks. Or, as I hope you will do, you can choose to not make such errors and continue contributing has you have done in so many ways here...minus the personal attacks and fair use abuse.
• I'd be quite happy to discuss this matter in greater depth if you like, to help clarify any remaining points that remain unclear. Being a martyr doesn't help you, me, or the project. Agreeing to abide by our policies isn't admitting defeat, or any other similar notion. Let's work together...not apart.
• As noted above, with your willful violations of policy [3][4] I am temporarily blocking your editing privileges. While the block lasts, you may continue to edit here on your talk page but no other pages. The block I am applying is for 24 hours. starting now. --Durin 05:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final warning

In regard to your above fair use violations. This activity endangers wikipedia, and administrators have been told to block repeat offenders. By all means make objections and discuss this. But if you reinsert images in violation of our policies, you will be blocked from editing. This is a final warning.--Doc 13:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. [5] --Elonka 01:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)