Talk:Cleobury Mortimer
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Please can a reference be cited for this being a town. Thanks MGSpiller 01:37, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
- Well for a start the civil parish council describes it as a town and meets in the town hall there. Not sure if they have a website though. Local media, including the Shropshire Star [1] and BBC Radio Shropshire [2] describe it as a town regularly too. It is a town! And it's not the smallest town in the county either - that title goes to Clun. David 21:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
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- "A new police station in Cleobury Mortimer is being seen as an immediate success.
- It's only two months since two dedicated officers were posted in the town, and they've already made several drugs-related arrests.
- Perhaps more importantly, the two constables are being seen as a reassuring presence, and are said to have taken a "pro-active" approach to preventing crime." [3]
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- "Though classed as a town, the tranquil atmosphere is more akin to a village." [4]
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- Today's news from the Shropshire Star [5]
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- Another recent Shropshire Star source [6]
- Do I need to go on?? David 21:43, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I asked for references when Cleobury Mortimer was added to the List of towns in England. The addition of references is most welcome as there were none when I posted the tag. There are a couple of points though. Firstly a simple formatting point: I would humbly suggest that references are best quoted in the article itself, I find the <ref> and <references/> tags to be very useful, see Wikipedia:Footnotes. Though as the references all show the same thing perhaps just pick one for the article itself & leave the rest just on the talk page.
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- As I understand it there are two main ways for a setlement to become a town in England. Either is is granted a Town charter or more recently, it is declared so by the parish council if it is parished. The listing of parishes which have declared themselves towns is deprecated on the aforementioned list. The ideal reference therefore would be to the charter itself rather than to secondary sources referring to Cleobury Mortimer as a town. The problem is that town charters are buried among lots of other anchient records & not widely available on the net.
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- A strong indication that a settlement is a town is that a regular market is or was held as the charter usualy grants the right to hold markets. Does Cleobury Mortimer have a regular market?
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- Nonetheless the sources you quote are reputable and it would certainly seem to be a town. Please don't feel that I'm being nit-picky, rather I would just like Wikipedia to be as reliable as possible.MGSpiller 01:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Yes I believe Cleobury Mortimer has a town charter and it is one of Shropshire's market towns. There is a market held there, but I'm not sure how regular it is these days. For its size there is a surprisingly large number of shops though, a good sign that it remains the centre of commerce for the surrounding area. David 09:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Pronunciation?
The article says that the place is pronounced "Clib-bury Mort-imer". Seems odd to me - I live in Bewdley, and most locals I've heard pronounce the first word either "Clee-bree" or "Clebb-ree". Ideally, it would be excellent if a resident of the place could record themselves saying it and upload it to Commons as an .ogg file, then include that at the start of this article (as I've done for Bewdley). Loganberry (Talk) 16:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Having gone to School in Cleobury Mortimer, the local pronunciation is 'clib-bree mor-tim-er'. Outside Cleobury Country [7] (the town and surrounding villages) it oftens gets pronounced as 'clee-o-bury' where 'clee-o' is pronounced like the Renault car clio. There is no hard and fast rule for the pronunciation of the town name, the influx of new people to the town has lead to more varied mix of pronunciations. However, as a local, I believe it is still more correct to pronounce it as a two syllable name; clib-bury, clee-bury, clee-bree etc, rather than adding the extra 'o', 'clee-o-bury'; perhaps we could offer alternative pronunciations?
FYI: The name is believed to derive from the contraction of the old English clifu meaning a Steep place and bury meaning fortified settlement. Mortimer comes from Roger de Mortemer of Normandy to whom the land gifted after the norman conquest. --147.188.56.229 10:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
