Talk:Cleft of venus

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[edit] Protrusion?

In the uplinked image, the cleft-of-venus is clearly visible from an anterior (frontal) view, while the model is standing. In most images of undressed women, no part of the vulva is visible in an anterior view, [even if the model's bikini-area is perfectly shorn]; and it is only visible when she is sitting, or lying down, with her legs spread.

My question for the creator of this article is, "Is the 'cleft of venus', a phenomenon that is in any way correlated to the age of the model, (pre- or post-pubescent), and/or to the integrity of her hymen?

In virtually all images of undressed children, the genitals clearly protrude and are visible in an anterior view. In images of undressed women, however, the opposite seems almost universally the case. Since the model in the uplinked image is clearly a post-pubescent woman, this cannot be the sole explanation.

Please respond at your earliest convenience, since it could result in significantly more content for this article.Pine 04:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

IANADoctor but I think it has to do with the percent body fat of the individual not age. The larger thighs would tend to block the view. Let me check my skinny wife... --vossman 14:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you are confused, Pine and Vossman. If the pubis is shaved, the cleft of venus is always visible in an adult woman just as it is in a child. You are only partially right that the vulva itself is not visible from the front. This purely depends on how fleshy the clitoris and labia minora are. If they are very fleshy, they will protrude slightly from the cleft of venus and be visible and a small piece of flesh.Bobble2 15:55, 18 June 2006 (UTC)Bobble2

yes, i have often seen where the clitoral hood and the labia minora protrude from between the labia majora and can be seen from a frontal, standing viewpoint. i've also seen females where the clitoral hood and labia minora are NOT visible from a frontal, standing viewpoint. i've often heard and read that anatomy varies somewhat from person to person, and apparently this is true. Gringo300 05:42, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

And now illustrated Fishies Plaice 02:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pudendal cleft

The term "pudendal cleft" is referred to in this link: [1] . i see no reason in the world why there should be two different WP articles for the exact same subject, so I am completing the merge by having Pudendal cleft redirect to this article. 71.161.201.133 03:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protruding labia minora image

I think Image:Vulva15Cropped.jpg is useful. Because it illustrates the part of the article that says "In some women the clitoral hood and labia minora protrude through the Cleft of Venus, in others they do not", and also because it illustrates part of the conversation above. Sometime the Cleft of Venus has protruding labia minora, sometimes it doesn't. Having two photos showing the natural variation is, IMO, useful for an article about the Cleft of Venus. Which is why I added Image:Vulva15Cropped.jpg. Could we discuss it here before just going into an rv cycle Fishies Plaice 16:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)