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Clarkbhm is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Wikipedia in the not-too-distant future

Wikibreak announcement

Just as I was planning on coming back to wikipedia, my wife gave birth to our first child on Wednesday September 6. It's been a busy few months, but not as busy as the next few months will be. I feel confident that I will return as soon as things settle down. ClarkBHM 19:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

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Contents 1 Welcome! 2 Time Machine 3 Mt. Lebanon 4 Eamon 5 Vandalism Warnings 6 Image:SquirrelHillHistory-manor.jpg 7 Tom Noe 8 Welcome and good to see your efforts, nice job! 9 Unsigned 10 Taxoboxes 11 Images 12 Hoover, Alabama 13 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 14 Learn something everyday 15 your recent AWB edits 16 Congratulations 17 Thanks 18 Welcome to VandalProof! 19 WTO "criticism" delete 20 Thanks 21 "Part-of" do's and dont's 22 re: NRA 23 Thanks 24 Watchlist 25 Wilderness areas: Arizona 26 Featured article 27 VandalProof 1.2 Now Available 28 Deletion? 29 Protected areas categories 30 Protected Area Stubs 31 Ready to work on a NWR area for FA 32 DYK 33 Critique 34 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 35 Nisqually National Wildlife Refuge 36 Still around? 37 Image:SquirrelHillHistory-manor.jpg 38 Stewart B. McKinney National Wildlife Refuge

[edit] Welcome!

Hello, Clarkbhm, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  Karmafist 15:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Time Machine

Time machine (lc machine) was set up to redirect to Time travel. What do you want it to do? You can respond at the WP:HD or on my talk page hydnjo talk 00:29, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

This diff is what you needed to do after making your disambig page. hydnjo talk 00:47, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mt. Lebanon

• You're right, we're in agreement about Mt. Lebanon. It's funny how (my fellow) lawyers are often the friendliest and most reasonable people I encounter on Wiki. --M@rēino 13:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Thank you for the barnstar! I'm touched! --M@rēino 19:20, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eamon

Thanks for the edit and cleaning up on the Eamon page Rick 16:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism Warnings

Hi Clark,

Please be wary when putting 'last warnings' on people's talk pages like this one. As you'll see from the notice, this proxy is registered to an entire state's education department. As well as being proxy to the Department itself, it serves thousands of students across numerous schools and public libraries as well. I would have grave concerns about restricting the access of educational institutions. Raena 00:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC) (not a student)

[edit] Image:SquirrelHillHistory-manor.jpg

Greetings. That's a great picture, but unfortunately I don't believe it falls under our fair-use guidelines. Sorry. Thanks for tagging it so thoroughly, though! – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 13:27, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. No problem on the :, it's a mistake we all make. So far as "fair use" goes, this is a simple question without a simple answer. I'll try to lay out the important points here.

First off, the author of the image allows anyone to use it for non-commercial, educational purposes, so it would seem like Wikipedia could use the image. And legally, we can. But Wikipedia releases all its content under the GFDL, which means (among other things) that commercial sites can reproduce all our content, so long as they release their content under the GFDL as well. So if we use "non-commercial-only" images, we can't say that all our content is released under the GFDL. Except for that fair-use exception, we can only use public domain material, or material that has been released under the GFDL (or a compatable license).

We can use copyrighted images and text under "fair use" (and we can even if the copyright-holder expressly forbids reproduction). But there are two hurdles: we have to make sure its use would qualify as a "fair use" under U.S. law, and we have to make sure the use falls within Wikipedia's fair use guidelines, which are stricter.

As for the legal requirements, this image is probably safe to use here. But one of Wikipedia's requirements is that a similar photo (one that would illustrate the article just well) must not be available or recreatable under a free license. So a copyrighted (non-free) image of an apple could not be used to illustrate the apple article, since anyone could take a photo of an apple and release it under a free license. The same is true of, say, the Taj Mahal: even if no one has yet taken a photo of the Taj Mahal and released it under a free license, someone could.

This is a tricky case, since no one can currently take a 1937 photo without a time machine. So this is a matter of interpretation. After all, lots of photos of Squirrel Hill in the 1930s or 1940s probably exist, and the copyright-holders could release them under the GFDL. That's my opinion. But someone else could say "No free replacement images are known to exist, and none could be created, so this falls within our fair use guidelines", and they would have a point.

I'm not the be-all-and-end-all of copyright advise here. I'm not even a lawyer, as I can see you are. If you want to get other opinions, you could post your question on Wikipedia talk:Fair use; you'll probably get answers there. Also, the {{no license}} tag isn't actually correct, since we know it's license. I removed it, along with the {{Somewebsite}} tag, since you specify exactly where it comes from and what the license is. Now it won't be deleted automatically in 7 days; it will only be deleted if someone disputes that it's a fair use, but there's no time limit.

I hope this helps! All the best, – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 19:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tom Noe

thanks for clearing it up Betacommand 01:18, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome and good to see your efforts, nice job!

Good to hear! The U.S. wildlife refuges have been almost completely overlooked, so glad to see that someone else has taken interest in them. I have only created articles for wildlife refuges in 3 states and I started every one of them....Montana, Wyoming and Nebraska. I intend to do the ones in South and North Dakota next...then Kansas and Colorado..then maybe Idaho, Washington and Oregon...so I guess I've "taken it under my wing" to do what is kind of the northwest. Both of your articles look a lot better than any of the onse I have done as for the time being, I have just been trying to convert redlines into blue ones. Excellent...welcome abord...let me know if there is anything I can do. But, do whatever ones you find interesting in any order you wish...so long as they are linked into the list by using the category, we can all figure out which ones have been done and which ones haven't. It's interesting...I did a few NWR's and when I started, I was like, gee, bet this one is going to be boring...but I have to do it cause I need to get all the ones in this particular state done. Anyway, I found that each one was interesting...such as Mortenson Lake National Wildlife Refuge, in which a toad was rediscovered in the wild...and I even created the stubby artilce on the toad itself...Wyoming Toad. I should probably do a better job and not just creat stubs, but also add images as much as possible.--MONGO 21:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unsigned

Did you mean this {{subst:unsigned|70.24.133.66|11:35, 18 March 2006}}. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:25, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taxoboxes

On the species line of a taxobox, write G. species, not the species epithet on its own. And if you don't know the authority, you can always leave it blank. See [1]. Gdr 10:21, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

You can add the page to Category:Tree of Life cleanup. But it's probably better to leave a request on an appropriate project talk page, for example Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fishes, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mammals etc (or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life if there's no more specific project). Gdr 14:38, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

You may wish to create a user account in Wikipedia Commons and upload images there rather than on the English wikipedia...that way, all the other languages have easier access to them and commons is a better repository ofr images and media files. Just a thought, any questions, just let me know.--MONGO 11:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

There is no urgency to move the ones you have already located. I had about 14 images loaded in enwiki for about 8 months before I moved them to commons. I still have a few images that I didn't move to commons such as the one of me on my userpage...I figure my image is not really of international importance.--MONGO 21:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hoover, Alabama

Your comments on the Hoover, Alabama talk page are basically the same as I said. The page is on my watchlist in case of other edits, but it's in the good form now. Fagstein 08:47, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Learn something everyday

I have been working on the NWR's some and sometimes you do a few and there is not much info available and you almost feel like it's a chore rather than for fun...then I get to a redlined article and as I read about and start the article it becomes more significant all of sudden...I suppose you already saw this since it links to your list, bit I learned something....and it's close enough to me that I can go there next winter for a long day trip: Karl E. Mundt National Wildlife Refuge--MONGO 05:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. What a cool refuge! It's amazing what you find; like an entire refuge set up to protect a small fish in a tiny pond. I have all of the NWRs on my list because I plan to go through all of them, either to set them up, revise them heavily to bring them inline with the project, or simply tidy up. I'm finished with Alabama so far and am moving on to the next state. Thanks for keeping me posted! ClarkBHM 19:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'll take a look at the articles you've done lately. Some of theNWR's don't have a lot of web based info to access but so long as we continue to turn redlined links into blue ones, we're helping to fill up the information voids.--MONGO 17:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] your recent AWB edits

These were not needed. The taxobox status template adds the category already. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

My misunderstanding about that template. I saw that the articles didn't have the endangered categories so I added them in. I also recategorized some which were merely "endangered" to "critically endangered" based on their taxobox. I thought I was being helpful, but I know now that I don't have to worry about their categories going forward. Thanks! ClarkBHM 12:39, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Except that the template doesn't always seem to work. See Watercress Darter. It should be in a category, but after you reverted the edit, it's not. ClarkBHM 12:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah... that one didn't have a "status" entry in the taxobox. I added it now. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

Wow, impeccable timing I guess! I first noticed your edit on Red Wolf a few days ago (which admittedly was a reverted cat adding), then somehow got to browsing your pics and you other contributions and to my astonishment saw you had added the bulk of these since February!

I realise that "Exceptional Newcomer" is perhaps not entirely true, but since youve had a recent wiki-revival I thought it was appropriate. You've done so much in such a short time; I for one, was quite impressed that you're already doing the more tedious chores on here with AWB!

Greets, The Minister of War ^(Peace) 07:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your kind message. My apologies for not getting back to you sooner. Grace Note 03:38, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Clarkbhm! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. AmiDaniel (Talk) 05:23, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WTO "criticism" delete

I deleted the "criticism" section for a good reason, as I explained in the discussion area of the WTO article. It wasn't vandalism and Wikipedia is better off without the extremely biased "criticism" section of the WTO article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.156.222.14 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 19 April 2006.

A critique (or controversy) section is valid if verifiable criticisms/issues from reputable sources can be cited. ClarkBHM 01:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The criticism section made broad accusations which are not supported by fact or reputable sources and should remain deleted.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.156.222.14 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 19 April 2006.

No, it shouldn't be deleted completely. Use the template {{Template:Citation needed}} to identify material that needs to be correctly cited. ClarkBHM 02:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok Mr. WTO expert, I'll take the time later this week to go through and edit the criticism section and delete the most biased and unsupported statements. Then I'll add another section that refutes the claims of critics with empirical evidence from reputable sources, although I'm sure my section will be consistently deleted by people who know little about international economics.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.156.222.14 (talk • contribs) 22:11, 19 April 2006.

That would be great. I'm not concerned about whether or not the WTO deserves the criticisms or not. The fact is, there are verifiable criticisms out there which should be addressed. If you could clean up the section without deleting the whole thing, that would be very helpful. You might also want to look at the edits that User:Ohnoitsjamie made. ClarkBHM 02:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Clark, Thanks for the barnstar and the tip about galleries. I was so motivated that I added a subsection on Pittsburgh Foods, which is quite a counterpoint to the Pittsburgh Culture section. Thanks again! WR TC Tomcool 01:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Part-of" do's and dont's

As an aside to your request for guidelines for template:part-of, I shall vent some of my own hierachy frustrations with protected areas.

I worked on the article African American Civil War Memorial, a National Park Service site in D.C. Some NPS websites/publications claimed the memorial was part of Ford's Theatre National Historic Site which in turn is part of National Mall and Memorial Parks. But other NPS websites claimed it was part of National Mall and Memorial Parks without mention of Ford's Theatre. Then I found NPS websites claiming that Ford's Theater itself was part of Pennsylvania Avenue National Historic Site, which in turn is part of National Mall and Memorial Parks. So I am confused what the theoretical "part of" heirarchy would be for these sites, except that in reality whoever is in charge of National Mall etc. is really calling the shots for all these sites. The moral of the story is to err on the side of caution when using the new template. In the above examples, if I used it at all, I would probably consistenly label them {{part-of|National Mall and Memorial Parks}}. — Eoghanacht ^talk 20:42, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: NRA

Ha! They misnamed Mingo National Wildlife Refuge....it is supposed to be named "Mongo"...oh well, leave it to the feds to mess something up...next time they ask for my advice, they're not going to get it! Thanks for that...--MONGO 20:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Sorry I didn't nab the category edit on Ozark-St. Francis National Park. I hadn't planned on writing the article in the first place, but somehow, that's what happens every time I visit the missing articles pages. Since you seem familiar with the National Park system, I was wondering if you could visit the page and make sure I didn't screw up the details. I'm all about expert opinions on articles, and you're the closest I could find. Consequentially 02:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Watchlist

Man, have you been filling up my watchlist today...good work disambiguating all that...it seems there is always some work here to do, doesn't it?...good cleanup.--MONGO 03:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. After my brief respite to handle the "real world", its nice to get back in the swing of things... ClarkBHM 04:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wilderness areas: Arizona

I just updated the List of Arizona Wilderness Areas, and this is post(after) all my Lower Colorado River Valley doings(recent months). I did work on the List of mountain ranges of Arizona, and I would like to get to the Sky island, SEast corner of the state. It is part of the biome called the Madrean sky islands, and it is also the N-S, and E-W junction, of the mountains, n/s, and the Sonoran Desert, west, and the Chihuahuan Desert, east. Anyway, if you have some other suggestions, I would like to hear them. (And, I thought originally when you just did the National forests, the Category ( "National Forest of Arizona" ), I thought you'd take them out of the Geography of Arizona page: ...Maybe just listing them all under " | National Forest", would at least compose the Geography of Arizona category better.(?) I think Arizona has about 8 National Forests, and no State Forests. I do realiza some category pages, may never end up looking really good, depending on all sorts of things. Anyhow.... see you later.MichaelYumaAZ--Mmcannis 20:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, my goal is to clean up all of the categories at the federal protected lands level. That's the problem with the List of Arizona Wilderness Areas page; it's unique and doesn't fit in anywhere else in the federal structure. It does, however, fit into the Category:Geography of Arizona structure, so that's where it ended up. In any event, most protected lands end up in the "geography of _____" category. We'll see how things develop for now. Let me know if you need any assistance...ClarkBHM 20:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured article

There have been a number of featured articles about National Parks, one (Shoshone National Forest) that was about forest, so we need to maybe come up with one about a National Wildlife refuge (and later, I plan on doing one on a wilderness too). Anyway, I have a few refuges in mind that may be featured potentials...have you come across any, or started any? As I did with Shoshone, it would be nice to start from scratch as making changes to well established articles and bringing them to a featured level is difficult (not that those who came before messed anything up, it's just my writing style is different). Case in point, Glacier National Park (US)...myself and User:Elkman have quadrupled the article in terms of quality of information and even created over 35 stubs to eliminate redlined links but it has had only fair reviews at the FA page. I found I had to change almost the entire article to get it up to speed...no small affair. Anyway, if we can create a suitable article about a refuge, making sure there is plenty of web based and written information available and that the refuge is particularily dynamic, then I think it might be good to work on this...that is if you're even interested...anyway, let me know what you think.--MONGO 08:54, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Probably the best NWRs would be the best known ones. The four that come to mind are Pelican Island National Wildlife Refuge (the first NWR) which is currently a stub and Arctic National Wildlife Refuge which is very well known due to the Arctic Refuge drilling controversy. Other ideas include the Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge, directly adjacent to the Kennedy Space Center, and the the Okefenokee National Wildlife Refuge which currently redirects to Okefenokee Swamp. I do think that it would be a good idea to have a featured NWR and I would appreciate the challenge. ClarkBHM 19:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Let's find one that is not controversial such as the Arctic NWR...just because it is much easier to get them to FA level. I am currently expanding Redwood National and State Parks since someone chimed in that it was one of the worst articles in Wikipedia...I can also work on a NWR as well...I know that Aransas National Wildlife Refuge was set aside to protect the whooping crane...let's see if we can determine which NWR has the most endangered or threatened species, maybe. But anything you or I pick needs to have a really good web accessible and maybe a few books about the subject for ease of expansion. Okefenokee should not redirect to just the swamp...it is a seperate entity that does not encompass the entire swamp, much of which I believe is also either privately owned or state managed. Pelican may be a good choice since it is the first, allowing us the opportunity to bring the history of NWR's in general more into focus...the impetus for the development of NWRs, etc. I'll be searching and maybe in a week we can get something rolling.--MONGO 01:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, also, one that has the least info currently on wikipedia may be the best...I find it really tough to "fix" ones that are beyond a stub and as you may notice in the Redwood article, I just simply started over.--MONGO 01:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I've actually started over a few times. I adopted one of the style/template from a pre-existing NWR (probably one that you did) and have used that template on my NWRs since. It makes for a more uniform approach which ensures that I don't forget important things! ClarkBHM 13:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

One more thing...I still have to continue with the NWR's in North Dakota...I didn't realize there were so many...once that state is done, I would have filled in the blanks for all missing federal protected areas in 5 states...of course, I haven't done this alone though and some areas already existed.--MONGO 07:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that. I guess I discovered a few dozen NWRs in North Dakota with all of the easement refuges! ClarkBHM 13:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I made some big improvements to Redwood NP over the weekend..I still have a ways to go and I don't want to lose my momentum there...I will continue to seek out a NWR...maybe the Arctic NWR is the one to go with...it's the most famous/infamous...but I want to try and talk about the habitat and the critters as much as possible and not let the politics take over...that may be hard to do as a quick google check indicates that the controversies there are bloggish.--MONGO 12:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VandalProof 1.2 Now Available

[edit] Deletion?

PLease chime in at [2] to clarify what your intent is for the category...I was unclear if you want it to be just a cat for federal areas in the U.S. or for it to also include state parks, etc.--MONGO 18:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I've responded on that page as well as the talk page for the category. ClarkBHM 19:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protected areas categories

Clark (if I may call you that?),

I like your second proposal better. I was thinking about it today, and it comes close to my idea of how best to handle it:

• Protected areas of the United States would be the top-level cat that no pages concerning a specific area (at least) would actually be in unless awaiting more specific subcategorization. All the subcats currently in it could be moved to...

• • Federally protected areas of the United States or some other name that would both use "protected areas" and make it clear that it was referring to federal land.

I believe that this was your proposal? ClarkBHM 05:09, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with your suggestion on how to handle state-level protected areas, so far. It works at least for New York because we have no federal wilderness. But the problem might be states where there is both ample federally protected land and state protected land. Do you continue distinguishing between federal and state protection there? And what about county-level protected areas (South Mountain Reservation, near where I grew up in New Jersey, for example)?

I'd say that there would be federal lands and non-federal lands. Federal lands are specifically "protected areas" in the IUCN definition. The non-federal lands provides a home for the rest of the state parks, state wildernesss areas, etc. ClarkBHM 05:09, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Any thoughts there? For now, I am happy to withdraw my renaming proposal if we can keep the category but move all the subcats and leave only Protected areas of the United States in the top-level category.

(BTW, it occurs to me now that New York's considerable wilderness areas might be best considered under a category like New York Forest Preserve management units, since all of them are within the Forest Preserve and are not likely to be declared outside of them. That would also allow the other land classifications to be used there without getting into potentially vague names such as Wild Forests of New York, Intensive Use Areas of New York) Daniel Case 02:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know enough about each state to go into specific detail. Check out the categories at IUCN for more detail. ClarkBHM 05:09, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't put the Catskills into state parks. Neither it nor the Adirondacks are state parks in the classic sense; in fact both articles are misnamed and I really should rename both of them as "Adirondack Park" and "Catskill Park", which is legally correct (see NYS Environmental Conservation Law §9-0101(1) and (2), where they're defined). They're both more akin to national forests, as I think I tried to make clear in the articles. Daniel Case 05:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I reverted my changes. ClarkBHM 05:09, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protected Area Stubs

Hi. While I understand what you are doing (replacing the National Park Service stubs with the Protected Area stubs), it makes my little niche of Wikipedia a lot harder to deal with. The Cat:Protected area stubs is much larger than the Cat:National Park Service stubs, so it is much more difficult to find the NPS specific articles (which are the ones that I tend to edit and expand). Nationalparks 00:08, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we can have both?--MONGO 04:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mongo. I agree. See my response on Nationalpark's talk page. ClarkBHM 04:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ready to work on a NWR area for FA

I am ready to work on any NWR you think is best...and maybe we can get it to featured status. Let me know which one you think is the best...I am leaning away from the Arctic NWR only because it is more than a stub.--MONGO 09:01, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I think a good one would be the Okefenokee National Wildlife Refuge. It's currently redirected and, as such, the article doesn't really exist yet. It's a large enough refuge to warrant more than a few paragraphs. I'll get to work on it today! ClarkBHM 19:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I've started work; it's on my "desk". I should have the first draft ready sometime tomorrow. ClarkBHM 20:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

It's ready for intensive editing. See Okefenokee National Wildlife Refuge. ClarkBHM 19:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On June 9, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Key West National Wildlife Refuge, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Cactus.man ✍ 12:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Critique

I'll help you on Okefenokee, but have essentially been told that I am not a brilliant or compelling writer, so my assistance may be worthless.[3]--MONGO 04:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

How do you feel about the referencing at Okefenokee...The footnotes don't work numerically...maybe we can use the pattern I used at Glacier National Park (US) and elsewhere...--MONGO 23:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

That page appears to use the pattern described in Wikipedia:Footnote3 which states that it is deprecated, but still in use. The format I used was Wikipedia:Footnotes which is generally easier to maintain. Since the former is being phased out and the latter is easier to maintain, I used Wikipedia:Footnotes. What do you think? ClarkBHM 14:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it's complicated...it is the newer cite.php style, but since I hate all the referencing text in the article editing window, I reduce it by simply not using the cite web templates...or cite book, or cite news. I just write is so it looks like it would if I used a cite template. The old footnotes3 issue was with the ref|note style...I really liked it because all you did was write ref|"forest" (as an example and then at the end of the article, note|"forest" and then use the cite templates to cite a book or the web...I liked it because it minimized the amount of text dedicated to the reference within the text of the article (when editing) and minimized confusion...but, if you moved a section or more around, taking a ref|note with it, the note at the end in the cited references section would also have to be moved to correspond with the new location of the footnote...so...Glacier uses cite.php, but not the cite templates...When I look at articles such as the way they suggest, I see the same number over and over and it simply is not footnoting as far as I can tell. Anyway, Glacier was just made featured last month and no one seemed to care about me not using the cite templates...just some food for thought.--MONGO 12:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Also...the Federal Register Volume 70, No. 147 - Tuesday August 2, 2005...can we mention the page number this information is taken from?--MONGO 01:37, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. ClarkBHM 14:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

• Found this link...haven't checked it, but it may discuss some of the flora and fauna of the Okefenokee NWR...[4]. The images are all copywrited however.--MONGO 05:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Nisqually National Wildlife Refuge

I noticed just now (after an edit by another editor) that you removed bolding of the subject of Nisqually National Wildlife Refuge. [5] I wonder if a bug could be present in AWB? Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 20:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

It does appear to be a bug in AWB. The system is supposed to remove "self directs". In other words, something should be coded in '''bold''' instead of being a [[self direct]]. I'll look in to it on the AWB page. Thanks for the notice! ClarkBHM 20:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Still around?

I still intend to help with the NWR you suggested...just kind of want you to take the lead...anything I can do for suggestions I will, but I was hoping if you had time, you could do most of it, so you can take the credit...all your work deserves an FA to complement it...let me know what I can do to help and I will.--MONGO 06:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the long delay. I've been pretty busy at work as of late and I haven't had the extra time to work on wikipedia. My schedule should start freeing up sometime at the end of next week, around July 6th or 7th. I should have more time available then. Call it a miniature wikibreak if you will. Thanks for following up though! ClarkBHM 16:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Stewart B. McKinney National Wildlife Refuge

The box says Westbrook is the closest town, but the coordinates appear to be Bridgeport or Fairfield? What was the Westbrook ref from? rootology (T) 23:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)